Pain and tightness after lat flap getting worse 16mo out!

CTLMom
CTLMom Member Posts: 56
edited December 2017 in Pain

I thought I would start a new topic to see if anyone has had somewhat similar circumstances. Below are some of the basics to my story.

"I was first diagnosed in 2007 and had L side mastectomy. No lymph nodes involved but because of tumor size I had 4 rounds of AC. A little over 5 years later in Jan 2013 had a very small recurrence in chest wall. No chemo but I did have radiation after the surgery. Fast forward to summer of 2014 I was really noticing that the left implant was changing shape. I ended up in the hospital at the end of June (2014) with cellulitis on the same left side. After 5 days in the hospital I went home and the infection cleared up. I met with the PS (my original one retired) and he explained that because of the radiation the choices for reconstruction revision are now very limited and PS I was told I have a stage 4 capsular contracture.

I had surgery March 2nd (2016). Three weeks later I was back in the hospital for an infection at two spots on my my new breast flap. Suture knots were the source. Gladly they infection cleared! I am scheduled to start PT on 5/10 (earliest date I could get in with the breast reconstruction specialist). I have good range of motion and can function fairly well in the morning and early afternoon although I do feel constant tightness in my back/side. Rib pain is pretty bad as the day continues and by the end of the day I am in agony. Last week I noticed a lump under my shoulder blade. When I saw my PS last Friday I told him it feels like a bone sticking out. He looked at it and felt it and said "You're exactly right, It is your rib sticking out." He said the muscles are extremely tight and will/should relax over time. I am praying that the PT can help!! One of the surgeons that was present during my surgery told me that when my PS cut the radiated skin on my "breast" it snapped back so fast that they were taken back by it. Followed by, "You must have been really uncomfortable." I felt like saying No Kidding!! I was also told that my rib pain on my side is from radiation damage. Also, still having shooting pains where I have radiated tissue in the front."

I am now 16 months out from my lat flap surgery and still in physical therapy which at this point is largely myofascial release, stretching, and taping my back in various ways. Also, I have been seeing a physiatrist for trigger point injections. I don't know how much they are helping. When she puts the needs in the muscles jump and on my side she says that it feels very gritty from the scar tissues and adhesions. My pain is getting worse and the tightness in my back and around my side is also increasing. I honestly feel like I'm trapped in my own body!! I have read recently about HBOT helping with delayed radiation damage and my insurance company does pay for it so I would like to try it. I feel so frustrated and desperate for an answer at this point!! So sick of being in pain every day. I have Tramadol and it does take a little of the edge off in the afternoon but that's about it. Any suggestions or just commiseration would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Lorene


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  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited July 2017

    I am in almost the exact same boat. I'm 26 months out, and finally got things down to a tolerable level with 2x a week MFR. I tried cutting back on visits to 2x a month, as they are not covered by my insurance, and I'm much worse again. It's almost like I haven't had any rehab, when in reality I've tried everything on the planet non-stop for the past two years.

    I've tried TPI, acupuncture, all sorts of MFR and scar work, etc. Stretching is useless as far as I can tell.

    My PS said my rib tightness is from radiation, too, but I don't believe her, b/c I never had any rib problems after my lumpectomy/radiation in 2007/2008. All problems started the instant I woke up from mx/lat flap, and are mainly where the donor site is. The front is tight, too, from the implant pushing the pec up. My PS also wants to blame a lot the problems on nerve damage from the mx end of the surgery, but we will never know since we did immediate reconstruction.

    My PS made a comment that my lat was really hard to stretch around during surgery. I think my muscles are just very strong and tight to begin with, and this surgery was the worst thing for them. I have been a competitive figure skater for 40 years (I continue to skate despite all of this), and I think that alone made me a bad candidate for this surgery. Like you said, it's like being trapped in one's own body.

  • Bonnie7
    Bonnie7 Member Posts: 57
    edited July 2017

    Hi girls,

    I started a similar thread yesterday and read (historically!) on this site of some other poor recipients of lat dorsi surgery. I am 3 yrs post surgery and feel this surgery has to be THE biggest regret of my life.....there I have said it instead of just thinking about it!!!!! I am sorry to say that my problems/pain have worsened and I feel I can't complain as it was electuve surgery.....aagh how stupid was I!!!!!

    I will ask for MRI when I next see my oncologist as I feel the back pain has extended/spread to my breast (implant now removed) where the muscle was channeled. This, I have to say, has caused me even more worry and the ongoing aches and pains are a daily part of my life!

    One other thing I wld like to vent on is that this type of surgery really is out of 'scope of practice' for most Doctors and Oncologists who are unable to advise/treat these problems effectively! Sorry if I am sounding so negative!!

    I think I had better sign off now!





  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited July 2017

    Bonnie, sorry you're having issues as well. I agree completely about how useless the drs are in advising how to manage the aftermath of this surgery.

    All my PS, who specializes in lat flaps, had to offer was "Take some Gabapentin and get a massage". My onc said, "There is nothing physically wrong with you. Your mind just isn't accepting this surgery." I fired him after that comment.

  • CTLMom
    CTLMom Member Posts: 56
    edited July 2017

    Hi Ladies,

    It seems this surgery works wonders for some and is a nightmare for others! My physical therapist is working really hard trying to help me but she thinks there are so many factors contributing to my situation that it is hard to tell which is the culprit or if all things combined are causing the problem as a whole. Who knows what my PS will say next... Sometimes I feel like I need to diagnose myself in order to get the help I need! Sorry, just needed to vent a little. Having a bad pain day today. I have one more pain med left so time to call the doctors office again. Ugh! Hope you are all in a little pain as possible today!


  • Owly
    Owly Member Posts: 5
    edited October 2017

    I had a double mastectomy with lattisimus dorsi reconstruction in February, 2017. This is my 2nd breast cancer. The first was in 2006. Lumpectomy, chemo, and radiation. This time around, however, has been nothing but pain, tightness, pain, tightness...every single day, 24/7. I've done physical therapy and am finished. I do the exercises at home and they help but just for a short time. My PS keeps telling me that it will get better...will get less tight...with time. It feels just like it did 3 months ago. The pain/tightness has no rhyme or reason. Today is horrible! I have stretched, massaged, put pain creams on, and taken anti inflammatory meds. Nothing has helped. This is one of the biggest regrets of my life!! If only I could do it over again, I would definitely do it differently! With the extreme tightness comes anxiety due to feeling "tied up" all the time. There is no relief!

    So ladies, I am there with you. And I understand what you are going through.


  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited December 2017

    Hey Ladies, have you tried Pentoxifylline and Vitamin E for what sounds like some degree of Radiation Fibrosis? I had severe tightness, no matter how much stretching I did several times per day. Each time I stretched, it felt like I hadn't stretched in days. I take precription Pentoxifylline 400mg (3 times per day) and Vitamin E 400IU (3 times per day), and also use a specially compounded Prescription Cream of Pentoxifylline 5%/ Vitamin E 1%. I also had numerous sessions of Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy and several Fat Grafting procedures as well. It is so much better, I have some discomfort, but nothing as bad as it was.

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