Port placement for Chemo / Chemo before DMX

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SimplySammi11
SimplySammi11 Member Posts: 70
edited July 2017 in Just Diagnosed

Hello all. I have some questions for you. My daughter has recently had a 3.2 x 4.3 cm mass and other areas in her left breast come back positive for IDC.

I posted a initial post before the biopsy results were in that will give you a little more of her history in the "Waiting for Test Results" area with the "My 30 years Old daughter" something header. (I'm exhausted and it's late, I apologize)

Anyway, my questions are...

1. The Breast Surgeon said because of the size of main mass, the oncologist will want to do Chemo before the DMX. She said it would clear the cancer and shrink the mass but will still require surgery for the one breast but because her age she'd suggest both and reconstruction immediately. Is this anyone else's experience?

2. She's scheduled her for port placement on Tuesday the 18th. We've not even met with oncologist yet and won't until the 20th. I asked her if it was normal to do this. She said she worked with those oncologist all the time and that my daughter will have chemo first sonshe wants it to be placed so the oncologist will be able to move quickly. He was on vacation this week. There were others she could have gotten in to see but I was told he was a great oncologist. Again anyone have this experience?

The breast surgeon and oncologist (Cancer Center) are very good from what I've gathered from a lot of people and my mom is currently being treated by them for small cell lung cancer that we just found out about 5 weeks ago. She's already had results of 75% mass shrinkage and she's 77 years old the mass was 5cm pressing on her trachea and she's done so well with 3 days of chemo every 21 days and radiation every weekday for 35 treatments.

I just thought it was odd that we'd be doing anything before meeting with the actual oncologist besides the testing the Breast Surgeon has ordered. The BS said that the oncologist will most likely want a PET scan but they have to order that. She's done what she can on her end for now. Mammo, ultrasound, biopsy, chest X-rays, bloodwork, and Myriad gene testing.

She has spent time with my daughter and us and answered any questions and given us copies of the test results so far but, I still think it's strange.

I know she deals with this on a daily basis and works closely with oncologist all the time so I hate even questioning this but would feel better if I got some feedback from any others that have an input. Even more questions to ask the surgeon and oncologist.

Thank you gals so much. Prayers to all

PS. She also got a call from her OBGYN of an abnormal pap that we have to get checked into Monday by her OBGYN and get a colposcopy performed because her port is getting placed Tuesday. I'm hoping nothing more will have to be done and the cells aren't cancerous or related to the breast cancer.

I'm wanting some tests she's had or will have to come back with some good news at this point. One more surprise just might do me in.

Ok that's all. Now come on you Warrior Goddesses and give me some good input and questions I need to be asking. I know you have been here and are kicking BCs butt! So help my daughter and I to fight and ask the important questions we may not think to ask. Blessings 🙏🏼❤️



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  • Legomaster225
    Legomaster225 Member Posts: 672
    edited July 2017

    First off I'm sorry you have to even ask these questions for your daughter. You sound very supportive though. That will be a great help to your daughter. I'm also sorry about your mom. Sounds like her chemo is working well.

    I had neoadjuvent (presurgery) chemo as well. It did a wonderful job of shrinking the tumor that was estimated 4.5cm to only a few smattering of cells in a dead tumor bed upon surgery. It totally cleared a positive lymph node as well.

    Many people get immediate reconstruction at the time of BMX. I got immediate implants above the muscle but most people get tissue expanders under the muscle. These expanders are then filled with saline over time to the desired size and exchanged wih implants in a second surgerÿ.

    Question #2. My MO ordered the port input but any of your surgeons can do it. Since you know. Chemo is going to happen You might as well gwt the ball rolling. The port makes it much easier to do chemo. Sounds like your BS is being proactive. That is a good thing.

    I know it seems overwhelming. Please keep asking questions.Many people are here to Support you. Sounds like you have a good team lined up.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited July 2017

    Sammi - I answered in some detail on your other thread. It helps if you stick to one thread so we can all follow the story and the various answers.

  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited July 2017

    I think that if it were me then I would prefer to wait until I had actually met with the MO. It seems a little strange that the BS is telling you what the MO will want. It's not like getting a port placed can't be done relatively quickly if it's needed.

    Also - I'm big on second opinions. I didn't have one for my MO since the plan of treatment seemed to be pretty straightforward for me. I did see a second BS. The info from both was the same at the beginning, but I later ended up going with the second one for a few reasons. Insurance will usually pay for these visits and it can help you feel more comfortable with the plan. And maybe with your providers.

    Is there lymph node involvement? My MO only orders PET scans if there are symptoms that might be indicative of mets. An US or MRI can show lymph nodes. That info will be helpful for staging and treatments options.


  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited July 2017

    NotVery - different docs order different tests. My MO ordered a PET/CT right out of the box with no indication of mets.

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited July 2017

    Different Drs will order different Scans or tests. For me it was a Bone Scan, then CT and MRI (both with Contrast), then a PET Scan which necessated a biopsy along lower jaw that afternoon (nothing there) and then an EKG all within a weeks time.

    My Surgeon told me that my Chemo Dr would be ordering Chemo so he'd be putting a port in. I saw my Rads Dr 2 days after seeing Surgeon and Chemo Dr the next day. Surgeon was right - Dr T did order neoadnuvant Chemo. Surgeon did put my port in the day before first DD A/C which was 17 days after DX.

    There are so many variables with each of us (age, health, etc) at time of DX. There is also that different types of BC (DCIS/IDC/ILC/IBC) have different TX protocohol and prognosis.

    Neoadjuvant Chemo has long been the Standard for IBC to get it to shrink, from into a 'lump with margins (IBC forms as a 'nest' or in 'bands' without clear margins) before surgery is an option. It's use with other BCs is becoming more common for better surgical outcomes. It is possible to get CPR (Complete Pathological Response) meaning that at the time of surgery there may be no cancer remaining in the path. report.

    Most who do neoadjuvant Chemo will do 2 different ones both neoadjuvant and none adjuvant. My TX plan was different - 4 DD A/C neoadjuvant and 12 weekly Taxol adjuvant.

    If she is wanting immediate recon - she will also need to see a Plastic Surgeon who does breast recon to discuss the options.

  • BellasMomToo
    BellasMomToo Member Posts: 305
    edited July 2017

    Some surgeons are really busy, perhaps that's why they are scheduling the port so soon. The BS must know that she'll need chemo and has time available to do the port next week.

    My BS was busy and I couldn't get my port installed until after my first chemo. (My chemo started less than 30 days after my dx.) I wish I could have had the port before I started chemo, but my BS wasn't available.

  • SimplySammi11
    SimplySammi11 Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2017

    Wow , thanks for all the information. The BS said that if she just went with surgery first that she felt it would be neglectful because of the size. She said the oncologist will want to get the size down before her mastectomy. She believes it will be all but gone after chemo although says because of her age the chances of reoccurrence are more.

    We don't know the ER or PR results yet. Is this something the biopsy pathology results tells us or something else? We do know that she is HER-. I don't understand the HER as it's all new & confusing to me. From what I read I believe it's a good sign but when I read more I believe all negatives are also the highest risk of coming back.

    If someone could clear this up for us, we'd appreciate it it greatly.

    Thanks so much.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2017

    Yes, you should be able to get the ER and PR from the biopsy results. Have you obtained copies of her reports - this information should be on the biopsy pathology report but may be contained in an addendum. Here is some info about the different arrangements of hormonal receptors and Her2 status:

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/diagnosis/hormone_status

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/diagnosis/her2

    The most common type of breast cancer is ER+, PR+, Her2-, there is also triple positive which is ER+, PR+, Her2+, and triple negative ER-, PR-, Her2-. You can have varying levels of hormonal receptors, and also combinations of ER and PR, and the results on the pathology report should be expressed in a percentage or score depending on how the lab does its measurement.

  • SimplySammi11
    SimplySammi11 Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2017

    @SpecialK, I just went through everything we have a copy of so far and nothing on the path report but, it did say "Breast Cancer and prognostic Studies are requested at this time" so I am sure they'll be an addendum as the HER2 results were separate and they faxed them to us today.

    It's so frustrating awaiting it all to come in and at different times, no less. I guess I am just wanting to be able to make heads or tales of it so we have the big picture already.

    Although Staging is not conclusive since she's almost definitely going to have chemo before her surgery. I am assuming all the pathology tests will be in by Thursday when she meets with her oncologist. The MRI picked up other areas in left breast and referred to them as multicentric. The measurement of main mass was 4.3cm width x 3.6cm height and in left upper outer quadrant. The additional area that lit up were scattered throughout including medial breast, the central breast, the far posterior medial breast and lower outer quadrant, while the right breast looked okay and the nodes were not mentioned at all. (We're assuming it's not in lymph nodes from this and the BS). However, it does say also "No suspicious internal mammary or axillary adenopathy is detected and the other visualized soft tissues are unremarkable. Noting that the current study WAS NOT protocoled to optimally assess the introthoractic and intra-abdominal anatomy." Whew that's a lot to type on IPhone.

    Just seems like the tests besides initial one identifying the IDC would come back together. Ughhhh

  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited July 2017

    Yes - nothing seems truly "standard" in the world of BC. My initial pathology from core needle biopsy had type, grade, hormone receptor status - had to wait for HER2 status.

    Even though I had already seen the BS twice, it was a general surgeon that placed my port - arranged by my MO.


  • SimplySammi11
    SimplySammi11 Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2017

    PS: Just wanted to add this from Pathology report. "The tumor shows a predominance of cord-like infiltrative growth. However, the E-Cadherin stain said it was strongly positive. No definite ductal carcinoma in situ is identified."


    Help! What does this even mean if you know

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2017

    I believe that e cadherin staining is a determinant of lobular versus ductal. If positive, generally a ductal cancer - so, IDC. It appears they also scouted for DCIS but didn't find any in the biopsy samples.

  • SimplySammi11
    SimplySammi11 Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2017

    @SpecialK, thanks that's what I thought it meant just wasn't sure. So frustrating that the ER and PR test aren't already in. Seems odd if HER2 was in already. I believe I actually asked them when I spoke to the surgeon's office yesterday when they faxed the HER2 results.

    I've been put on antidepressants once a day and something for extreme anxiety (as needed). When I've taken the anxiety meds I definitely lose short term memory to a degree. I don't like meds especially like those. But have had take from time to time when extremely upset

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2017

    I find it odd also that the hormonal receptor testing result is not yet available. It is a pretty routine aspect of the report and is usually finished prior to the Her2 status. I'm wondering if that info was misplaced or not transmitted. I'm so sorry that you find yourself in this position, I have a 28 year old daughter, I know I would be frantic with worry at her diagnosis. Hoping everything comes into place shortly and she can begin treatment, it does get a bit easier once you have a plan. Wishing you both the best

  • SimplySammi11
    SimplySammi11 Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2017

    The surgeon said that she'd get Heather set up on the Patient Portal so we can get all results as they come in. That will be so great. I'm going to ask her about the receptor tests Tuesday. I think it's odd as well.

    Thank you so much for everything

  • SimplySammi11
    SimplySammi11 Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2017

    Spacial K, got a hold of the surgeon's office today and the Tumor Study was in before the HER2 like you said. They thought they'd given us a copy and apologized for not doing so. I'll get a copy at her 1 week post op. Looks like she's ER+/PR- and HER2-. I'm hoping this is a good sign.

    I see you're all positives but I know you've been a member here for awhile so anything you can suggest or recommend me ask at her oncologist appointment on Thursday that will help us out is appreciated.

    If anyone else has the same receptors and HER2 please weigh in as well.

    Tomorrow is the port placement. Please keep her in your thoughts and prayers.

    Thank you. Blessings!❤️🙏🏼



  • Midwest_Laura
    Midwest_Laura Member Posts: 168
    edited July 2017

    I am sending hugs and best wishes to you and your daughter, Sammi.  Port placements are usually smooth sailing, and I hope that is the case for her.  Good luck.  Let us know how things go.  Regarding questions for your MO, make sure that you know and understand the percentage of ER+.  Different treatments may be prescribed if she has a high vs. low ER+ percentage.  You should also ask about all of her options for handling the estrogen in her body.  Lupron shots and an oophorectomy are just some of the options to reduce the estrogen that is feeding her cancer.  If she still wants to have children, then there are other considerations that need to be discussed as well.  

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2017

    Hoping the port install goes smoothly, do I remember correctly that she has first chemo on Thurs? She will most likely be sore and her neck may feel odd for the first week or two, but that is normal. Do you know what her chemo regimen is yet?

  • SimplySammi11
    SimplySammi11 Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2017

    SpecialK- We meet with oncologist Thursday to discuss plan and what chemo etc. She just now actually got into recovery from the po placement and we're about to speak with the surgeon

  • Leatherette
    Leatherette Member Posts: 448
    edited July 2017

    SimplySammi,

    I wish I had a mom like you! I am so sorry your daughter has breast cancer, but so glad she has you!

    Another (not so lucky) Heather

  • SimplySammi11
    SimplySammi11 Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2017

    Thank you. It's been really tough. No matter how old my girls get or independent they'll always be my babies

  • MTwoman
    MTwoman Member Posts: 2,704
    edited July 2017

    Hey SimplySammi, how did the meet with the MO go?

  • SimplySammi11
    SimplySammi11 Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2017

    @MtWoman

    As well as expected I guess. They're definitely doing chemo first. He's ordering a PET scan and echocardiogram and will then set up the treatments. Here's what we know so far.

    A/C every other week x 4;

    Taxol once a week x 12

    Then will evaluate if radiation is necessary;

    Then double mastectomy (she wants to go ahead and do both regardless of Myriad test);

    Then the 5 year once a day medication (TBD)

    The staff is so great. She has the same team as my mother that was just diagnosed with lung cancer in May and going through treatment so they were looking for Heather when we arrived and smothering her with care and love. Which was so nice.

    The Oncologist is the same as my mom's too. Very serious but very kind and informative and answers any questions in as much detail as he can.

    Heather did great today, actually. The nurses really soothed her nerves. They also gave her her first knitted cap she got to chose from and a cushioned knitted seatbelt sleeve to help the port not get irritated which is something I didn't even think of. So she was thrilled.

    They needed to draw some blood and Heather's first reaction was to hold her arm out. We giggled and they told her the port is there for all that now. It was really tender because she just got it Tuesday and has done too much. One nurse was holding her hand while the other nurse was drawing the blood. She wanted to to a video because she'd seen one that helped her and she wanted to be strong and help others. She glitches and eked a little bit and we laughed again because they were just using a swab to clean it first. I said maybe a video is t a good idea. But then she didn't even feel the needle go in and they drew the blood without her even realizing it.

    I had a small breakdown and my heart is aching for her. I'd give absolutely anything to be going through this and what's coming for her though. That's what breaks me the most. I feel helpless.

    Thanks for checking in with me and asking about her. I really appreciate it.

    Blessings always.🙏🏼❤️


  • MTwoman
    MTwoman Member Posts: 2,704
    edited July 2017

    SimplySammi, Thanks so much for the update. It is great to hear that the oncology team is taking such good care of her. It must be difficult for you, but it sounds as if she's doing well. I am sending my best wishes for you both. ((hugs))

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