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  • shuttld
    shuttld Member Posts: 3
    edited July 2017

    Hi everyone,

    I find such comfort reading all your posts. They remind me that I am not alone in the fight. So many women (and men) are fighting this battle. I just had my second rad treatment today. Only 18 more to go! I am working full time and scheduled the treatments for the afternoon. I am hoping I can continue this routine for the duration of treatments. I am wondering if anyone out there has been able to work through radiation cycle. I am concerned when I read that the recommendation of some docs is not to wear a bra. That would NOT work for me. I have large breasts and couldn't possibly go to work without a bra. I also feel that my right breast is still a bit swollen from surgery (or could it be swollen from just two radiation treatments??).

    I am comfortable when getting my treatments. I also am very fond of my ro. So far, it's been a positive experience (well as positive as it can be) and I am looking forward to July 31. For now I am feeling great but occasionally I do feel a little zing every once in a while in my breast. I am applying Aloe Vera three times a day and I am hoping that will prevent any major skin issues during this month. My rad nurse assures me she has a whole bag of tricks she can use if the aloe vera is not doing the job.

    I waited the month of June to get my onco dx score and, finally, it came and it was 19. After a long conversation with my mo, we decided that the reward of chemo was negligible so we decided to move forward with radiation therapy only.

    I had to delay my retirement which was a bummer, but I am a person who believes that things happen for a reason. So now I concentrate on all the positive things in my life and am anxious to see what's in store for me after radiation.

    I'm not on this site often, but always feel so encouraged and positive when I do read your posts. Each one of you are an inspiration with your story, advice and your shared experiences. denise

  • SummerRain
    SummerRain Member Posts: 54
    edited July 2017

    I am finished 17 of 24. Yippee! Getting pinker and have the rash. Starting to itch. My RO said to use hydrocortisone cream. Can prescribe lotion with lidocaine if it gets too intense.

    Shuttld - The swelling you are experiencing *could* be lymph related. Can show up in breast and/or trunk as easily as arm. Any swelling will probably be exacerbated by the rads. I would ask your RO really soon.

    I was wearing a compression bra until rads started. Like you, I am large enough that going without a bra is generally noticable. I have been going without. Instead, I have been wearing a snug fitting, stretchy camisole under my shirts. Also wearing busy patterns so that makes it less noticable. However, I am not working during treatment, so not as conscious of it.


  • SummerRain
    SummerRain Member Posts: 54
    edited July 2017

    BG46TN - I hope they get the alignment figured out soon!

    Dcdrodgers - Have you noticed any heat/humidity effects on skin appearance? I believe our Washington area summer weather is playing a part as I am pinker in the afternoon than morning or night.

  • Rwrighty
    Rwrighty Member Posts: 38
    edited July 2017

    Hi BG46TN- I am on tx 16/20 . Over the weekend I think I was out in the sun too much. I wore a sunscreen shirt over my bathing suit but I think the material was too rough or I got too hot or I didn't spend enough time braless (lots of family and friends around all weekend!) and I went on several 3 to 5 mile hikes and it was warm out- but today I have a bad red rash and some burns. I would advise staying out of the heat for an extended period of time. So hard to do!. Sorry you have to travel so far and that they are having trouble getting you lined up. It is so irritating! Can not wait until this is over. July 12th for me. I am praying the burn does not get worse

  • Rwrighty
    Rwrighty Member Posts: 38
    edited July 2017

    Hi shuttld- I had some swelling and at first they thought it was lymphedema in the breast and side but I worked with a certified lymphedema specialist and she thought it was built up scar tissue blocking the lymph vessels. I had 4 tx sessions with her before radiation and it is soooo much better. She said radiation can make you build more scar tissue but so far so good.

    I love your attitude. I have worked full time as an OT and do feel some fatigue but I can do everything I need to do and get my 10000 steps in for the day. I am concerned that now that I have this red burning rash that the cotton shirt and bra and another shirt may be too much. We shall see.

    Take care!

  • llamalady
    llamalady Member Posts: 47
    edited July 2017

    Hi Shuttld - I wanted to share something. I'm on rad tx 10 down as of today - 6 more to go. I will finish next Thursday. I posted this the other day under another topic but thought I'd share here when I saw you were just getting started. I am "bathing" my breast/chest/armpit area in green tea 3x a day. I know it sounds nuts but I can't begin to tell you how well this is working for me. Here's what I do:

    I boil water and add it to one green tea bag in coffee mug. I only use about 4 to 5 ounces of water - keep it strong. Steep it a good 15 minutes - squeeze out the bag and put the tea in a jar in the refrigerator. On Sunday night I take 5 small zip locks and put 2 to 3 cotton squares/pad into each baggie. I use those instead of cotton balls because they are larger and swab the area easier. Then each day just before I leave for treatment I take one zip lock and pour some of the tea into the baggie - enough to thoroughly wet the cotton and take it with me to treatment. As soon as I finish treatment and get to dressing room I rub the entire breast with the cotton, the arm pit area and chest up to collar bone - be sure to get under the breast too. I repeat this w/ the 2nd cotton square. I bend at the waist and fan myself dry then dress and leave. I repeat this at home 2 more times during the day.

    My Rad Onc got to see me do this Monday and she was blown away. The cotton squares are truly hot to the touch when you finish from pulling out the heat from your skin. Also she was shocked to watch the redness from the skin disappear in front of her eyes. I certainly knew the cotton was hot but I had not noticed the redness leave - just knew I wasn't getting red. So today I watched myself in the mirror in the dressing room and I couldn't believe it when I saw it. My skin changed back to its original color right in front of my eyes as I bathed in with the tea soaked cotton.

    To date I have no changes in my skin at all. No redness, no irritation, no itching - nothing yet. I make a fresh cup of the tea to use every other day so that it stays fresh and strong. Just thought I'd pass this on in case you or anyone else was interested in giving it a try. I asked my Rad Onc about it before starting treatment and she said she didn't know if it would help but it couldn't hurt. She now is a believer in green tea! It will be interesting to see how I am by the end of next week. Good luck!

  • blooming
    blooming Member Posts: 68
    edited July 2017

    Hi Folks,

    Sorry to be MIA. Have been a bit distracted with some issues. Yikes! I appreciate the responses to my questions. I didn't realize they were there. Thanks so much to those who offered suggestions. I saw Rwrighty, SJI, and JoaniePA and I'm sorry if I missed any. These are really creative ideas. I can't wait to try them. I feel like there's a very steep learning curve!!

    Question: Do any folks have (Intensity Modulated Radiation Therapy) and then IGRT (Image Guided Radiation Therapy) for boosts? Do most folks have 3DCRT (3-Dimensional Conformal Radiation Therapy)? Insurance co is questioning the IMRT. I believe that in the end, all will work out. In the meantime, I don't yet know the background so I'm wondering for those who have whole breast treatment, esp. for left breast, what approach is used?

    I'm sending good wishes to all; regardless of stage in this journey.

  • dcdrogers
    dcdrogers Member Posts: 115
    edited July 2017

    @Summerrain - I've been trying ot stay out of the direct sunlight, heat and humidity as much as possible. As you know it cannot be avoided all togehter in this area. So far I'm starting to noticed some tanning of my treated areas, but I think that's mostly due to me being 2/3rds of the way into my treatments. I haven't noticed any burning or rash yet and I'm hoping to bypass that unpleasantness. I have smaller boobs so it's easy for me to not wear bras although I wear cotton camisoles w/wo padding about 80% of the time.

    Treatment 16/25 today.

    Seems like time is flying yet dragging on at the same time.

    ~Dee

  • Rwrighty
    Rwrighty Member Posts: 38
    edited July 2017

    llamaldy- I too use the green tea. there is actually a great study about it. I have a little different routine. I was diligent about it until over the weekend and now I have a burning rash. I have treated my left breast now 4 times daily and the redness is subsiding. I will continue to do this for a few weeks after treatment also. I actually steep 4 bags of green tea in a cup of hot water and seep for 1 hour. I love your idea with the baggies and the gauze pad. Will try today!

    Blloming- I use a holding my breath tech during the radiation. I am on my back with L arm up . I get two zaps on each side of the left breast and hold my breath (about 28 seconds each - not that I am counting!)

  • shuttld
    shuttld Member Posts: 3
    edited July 2017

    llamalady ~ Thanks so much for the green tea hint. Just received my 4th treatment and can begin to feel a tiny bit of that "sunburn" feeling. I will definitely try this as I do not want to wait until there is a problem.

    Rwrighty - I'm impressed - 10K steps a day. I do about 8K if I don't have a busy "desk day". I'm trying very hard to stay hydrated and get plenty of rest so that I can continue to work. Since my breasts are large, I know that if the time comes when I cannot wear a bra I will def not be able to go to work.

    During treatment I have both arms above my head and my face turned to the left. I started to get a muscle cramp under my left shoulder blade during the treatment and it was really a challenge not to move. I guess if that's the worst thing that happens, I can handle it. I just try to keep my eyes closed, take deep breaths and exhale slowly while counting how long the radiation is entering my body. So far, that has kept me calm and still.

    I am 20% done. Closer to the end than I was one week ago.

    Has anyone had any issues driving long distance a week or two after treatment ended? I have a vacation planned and I have a long drive to get there (~6 hours). Hoping that I will be fine to make the drive and get to the beach (covered in sunscreen of course).

    Be well everyone.....Happy weekend.

  • Rwrighty
    Rwrighty Member Posts: 38
    edited July 2017

    I am struggling today. Only have two boost left and the red rash, burning, pain and fatigue have really set in. this is the first day throughout this whole process that I called in sick. I was up most of the night. It felt like someone was pinching my breast so hard and the burning rash is driving me crazy. I haven't had any trouble up until now. I could not put on a bra today. I hope this doesn't last long. Frustrated, tired but pushing through it. Took a walk and fixed a nice dinner. Glad it is the weekend!

  • SJI
    SJI Member Posts: 69
    edited July 2017

    Sorry you are having such a bad day. I got a rash in my armpit when I was on my last three boosts. The nurse gave me Difinsa which helped quite a bit. It's made for skin exposure to radiation. Hope things calm down for you over the weekend break.


  • runor
    runor Member Posts: 1,798
    edited July 2017

    I should not really post here since I started rads July 5, not in June. But I have read with interest the green tea theory.

    I am not staying at home for my treatments. I am staying at a lodge where people stay for cancer treatment. Making up zip bags of soaked cotton pads might be tricky in what amounts to a hotel room. However, I wonder if this would work if you put some green tea in a little mist bottle and spritzed the boob? No wet wipes, no baggy.

    I have only had 3 zaps of 16. Was told no side effects until mid zaps. But already the breast is swollen, the skin looks pinkish and dimpled, like an orange peel. The nipple is sinking in as the breast swells around it. This also sounds exactly like inflammatory breast cancer. If it is, it's being nuked! The incisions are an angry red again and tender. The whole boob feels like a really severe achy pre-period boob. If this is only three treatments in, heaven help me for another 13!

  • ML1209
    ML1209 Member Posts: 241
    edited July 2017

    First treatment tomorrow! Feeling a little nervous. Thankful for all of your advice and tips. I was told they would give me deodarant and cream - so guess I will wait and not spend $, but worried I won't have what I need when I need it. Hate to waste money on things I won't use, but part of me wants to go ahead and have one of everything :), The told me that they could fix any issues that come up and to speak up with any concerns.

    Have any of you tried the Plexxus body cream?

  • Luwusu
    Luwusu Member Posts: 88
    edited July 2017

    ML1209- hope things go well tomorrow. You will most likely have no side effects for a couple of weeks. For that reason, I would wait to see what cream, etc that you're given. I haven't been using any deodorant under the arm where I'm being treated and have not had any bad odors.

    By the end of the week you'll be a pro. Remember, its for a finite number of treatments. Take one day at a time.

    Let us know how it goes. Tomorrow will be 19/33 for me

  • Rwrighty
    Rwrighty Member Posts: 38
    edited July 2017

    Runor- they did give me a small spray bottle and it works well. I can send you the protocol if you are interested. Good Luck to you!

  • llamalady
    llamalady Member Posts: 47
    edited July 2017

    Rwrighty - funny I'm just now reading you steep 4 bags. I just increased mine to 2 bags Friday - before I saw this post :-) I'm close to the end and noticed that my cotton pads were getting hotter as I "bathed" after my session so I thought why not increase the strength and also went from using 2 pad to using 3. I also treat with the teat 2 to 3 more times a day at home. Sorry to hear you started to have some struggles. I'm hoping that will settle down quickly for you!!!

    Runor - I think a spray bottle would be fine. I take the zip locks to treatment but actually am using a spray bottle in the bathroom at home. I do like the initial cotton swabbing immediately after treatment but I'm sure spraying it would help tremendously as well.

    So tomorrow is the beginning of my last 4 treatments. I'll keep the green tea going and hope for the best. I'm planning on continuing the green tea after treatment at least for a good week or depending on how things look and feel. I figure it won't hurt me and since I know there can still be some changes after treatment stops I'll give it a try. So far so good - I'm barely a shade pinker than my normal breast. Hoping it holds!

    Good luck to you all this week!!!! Will be checking in to see how everyone is doing.

  • ML1209
    ML1209 Member Posts: 241
    edited July 2017

    Rwrighty -would you please share rhe specifics on the green tea. I bought some as I had heard that this was helping several. Thank you so much.

  • ML1209
    ML1209 Member Posts: 241
    edited July 2017

    Luwusu - thank you so much. My husband says I seem more nervous about this than chemo .... not sure why that is. I think I am just sad because it is summer and I want ro be enjoying it with my children.

  • Melinda0628
    Melinda0628 Member Posts: 67
    edited July 2017

    I started radiation on 6/5/17. I have 12 more treatments to go and I am so burned. I am working through this just like I did chemo, but I have to go flat now. Too painful to wear anything else, my shirt even hurts at times. I had a double mastectomy November, 2016. I am thankful for the little things though, hair is growing like a weed, and more than halfway done with rads. Ready for this all to be over with. Good news is I saw my onco last Friday and I am NED! Still contemplating reconstruction but not for a while, my body needs a break.

  • Rwrighty
    Rwrighty Member Posts: 38
    edited July 2017

    ML1209- the instructions I was given was to place 4 green tea bags in a cup of boiling water and let stand for 1 hr. They suggested to place in spray bottle or dab on with cotton 4 times a day. My skin has been perfect up until last week and I was lax over the 4th weekend at the lake - having too much fun and I only treated my breast a few times. I have been back on board and will continue for 2 weeks after my last treatment (which is tomorrow!!) I also use a cream 2 times a day with calendula - I purchased a cream on Amazon called My girls (cheesy!!) doctor said any cream with calendula would work. Put on after treatment not before. I treat with the tea first thing in am, lunch, after treatment and before bed. Best of luck to you! I will keep checking in for awhile after treatment is over

  • stephilosphy00
    stephilosphy00 Member Posts: 386
    edited July 2017

    Are everyone here having the same kind of radiation? I am very frustrated now. My insurance keeps denying the the kind of radiation I am going to have. I will have left breast radiated so I am concerned about my heart and lung will be damaged just using the regular radiation. Doctor is appealing for me now.

  • ML1209
    ML1209 Member Posts: 241
    edited July 2017

    Rwrighty - thank you. All went well today. I am slightly pink though so this concerns me with being first treatment. I did the tea baths 3 times today. They said to use conrstarch for deodorant and no cream until they see me on wed. Then they will give me some.

  • Hanging_in_there
    Hanging_in_there Member Posts: 226
    edited July 2017

    Hi Ladies, I have not checked in in awhile. I saw my RO and she said no bra until December. I've been wearing some zip up Amoena camisoles, which are post surgery and really thick. I found some mastectomy camisoles online for $54 and they are not even cotton. So I had already bought $6.00 Hanes camisoles earlier and now I want to add pockets to these camisoles which have a shelf bra. I just completed 20/35 rads today, so I need a comfortable solution. Having 1 boob, makes it difficult to go out without a foob, so I need to use my (cheap foam) foob. When I just put the foob in the shelf bra, it starts sliding toward the middle because my existing boob is not very big. I want to keep the foob in place.

    Is there anyone out there who sews or could offer advice on how to make these camisoles into mastectomy camisoles.

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hanes-Women-s-Stretch-C... I got these before they went out of stock. The ones that feel better are bigger than my normal size.

    Or what are others wearing. I don't have expanders, just no boob that I need to pretend I do have for my child's (and my own) sake.

  • Luwusu
    Luwusu Member Posts: 88
    edited July 2017

    hanging in there- will your insurance pay for mastectomy camis? Mine did- along with two soft stretchy bras for after surgery. The camisoles have all sorts of pockets- for drains, foods, etc. iy may be worth a try to try insurance. I'm wondering why you have to go until December without a bra.

    You and I are at about the same spot radiation-wise. Today is 21/33. I was told by the tech yesterday to go topless at home. That's a bit much for me but I do go braless at home.

    I'm sure that the time will come when you will feel more comfortable about your masectomy and will be able to explain things to your child. They are much more resilient than we think. Sometimes things we think will bother them simply don't. My children are grown, and I had a lumpectomy, not a masectomy like you, so I can't say I am in your shoes. Just know that things will be okay, with or without the food for the upcoming months.


  • Hanging_in_there
    Hanging_in_there Member Posts: 226
    edited July 2017

    Luwusa,

    My insurance pays for bras, not camisoles. I have the 2 zip up cami's from post surgery, they are soooo thick. I need something lighter to wear under clothes. I'm meeting with a friend today who does a little sewing to brainstorm. I don't like the ones I've found online, they are made of polyester and I want cotton. It is too hot for both a polyester camisole and a cotton t-shirt on top. Heat index today is over 100. I don't have to wear prothesis at home, my son has seen when I don't wear a prothesis under my shirt or nightgown. I just can't leave the house foobless. I don't feel comfortable.

    I have swelling under my arm since surgery, which has only started to hurt more during the last part of radiation. I saw lymphedema specialist and she can't tell if it is lymphedema, swelling from surgery or from radiation. She said to come back in December if I still have swelling and she will work on it.

    In the mean time, no bra. Even some size large camisoles I bought a couple of months ago (largest size) have gotten to feel too uncomfortable from the radiation, so I also have some XL which are much looser and are the ones I want to try to convert. MO doesn't want me being fitted for a mastectomy bra with this swelling as it will probably resolve itself. I would have the wrong size bras.

    Thanks for the encouragement. In my mom's and grandmom's generations all women sewed, not so much anymore. I don't have either my mom's or grandmother's skill. It has gone down each generation. My grandmother was a seamstress and sewed her 8 children's clothes. My mom could do pretty well, but she was no seamstress. I can get by with a lot of instructions and help from other people who have much more experience. My big claim to fame is I made my son (then 8) a Daniel Boone costume. (from a pattern and with a little help)


  • ML1209
    ML1209 Member Posts: 241
    edited July 2017

    My RO told me to use MPM Radiaplex gel. Anyone else who has used this?

    Prayers and hugs all around

  • SummerRain
    SummerRain Member Posts: 54
    edited July 2017

    ML1209 - I am using Radiaplex 3 times a day. Doc and technicians all think my skin is holding up really well. I have some redness and some rash, but tolerable. Itching is controlled by hydrocortisone.

    I think the Radiaplex is what's helping.

  • ML1209
    ML1209 Member Posts: 241
    edited July 2017

    Summerrain - good to hear that. Thank you. Are you using anything else?

  • SummerRain
    SummerRain Member Posts: 54
    edited July 2017

    Not so far. My RO has offered a lotion with lidocaine, but I don't think I will need it. Monday is my last session. Although my RO did warn me that the effects could still build for up to two weeks.

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