April 2017 Chemo
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TWG -- best of luck Friday with your last AC.
Here's hoping Taxol is easier for you than AC. Are you planning on icing hands and feet for Taxol to try to slow down neuropathy??
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Hi All - Sounds like everyone is plugging along which is great news! It sounds like the Taxol is an easier path than the AC for most of you - yay! I know another drug brings new problems, but knowing what to expects helps a little. I have my 3rd TC tomorrow. I am dreading it of course, but it does bring me one more treatment closer to the end. I have one more after this, and then onto radiation. I have a full blown cold, but it looks like others were able to proceed. I am going to show up tomorrow and hopefully they will let me just plow through. Is anyone else anemic? I am just below normal so they are not intervening yet, but they feel it will get worse. I am tired! Thinking of you all and sending you positive energy!
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Dodgersgirl- I would like more information about icing hands and feet for Taxol. Are you doing it?
Any tips for icing hands and feet during Taxol
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TWG - I first read about icing on this web site from member/NATSGSG here: NATSGSG Journey with BC She talked about items you can buy from Amazon to ice hands and feet (NatraCure Cold Therapy Socks, Hot and Cold Therapy Gel Gloves) but said they were expensive so she did her own arrangement with blue ice, tubs, and water
I then found an article from Sloan Kettering about icing during Taxol Sloan Kettering
I bought the cold therapy socks from Amazon. I have 2 of the socks (one for each foot) and 2 extra sets of ice packs for them (for total of 3). An blue gel ice pack fits in the sock along the bottom of your foot and a smaller gel pack fits on top of feet and nails. I put these one about 15 mins before Taxol and hubby changes out the ice packs about every 20 mins.
For my first Taxol, I brought a tub and lots of blue ice (and food safe gloves to cover hands) to kind of follow NATSGSG's suggestion but once at fusion center found the rim of my tub was too tall and it was awkward to get my hands in the cold water. Fortunately, as a chemo gift from my daughter, I had received a 6 pack of Stasher Reusable Silicone Food Bags. They are like silicone zip lock bags We filled 4 of them with ice from the fusion center and placed two of them flat on the table in front of me. I then put my hands in 2 food safe gloves then placed the other 2 bags on top of my hands so it was like sandwiched between ice packs. This worked really well. Just make sure the bags are really sealed so you don't leak water as ice melts. I did bring 2 towels so I was ready to clean up any leaks. This time, I am leaving the tub and blue ice at home and going to do the Stasher bags. I iced much longer than the 15 mins before Taxol, during Taxol, and 15 mins after as I was trying to figure out what I was doing. As the ice melted, I hit a brief time period where the water/ice was super cold and had to pull my hands out for a few mins.....so today, won't ice all that extra time to see if that corrects the COLD issue, will change ice as water melts to keep the water/ice mixture to more just ice, and I am bringing washcloths to lay over top the Stasher if it starts feeling too cold so I can keep my hands there longer. Will see what seems to work better today and keep implementing changes for the next 11 treatments. Maybe by week 12, I will have it just like I like it!
Edited - found during Taxol 2 that having a wash cloth on top of the Stasher bags set on the table helped me make it through the hour of icing without too much cold pain. I think I took my hand off the ice once because it was too cold.
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Rebamacfan1-love the song
TWG- good luck with your AC. Taxol so far has been better.
Dodgersgirl- good luck today. Thank you for sharing the icing tips. I bought the socks but need to buy more of the gel packs. My issue is that my infusion is 3 hours for Taxol. I am going to try the stasher bags.
I am Day 3 out from my first Taxol. Definitely easier than AC but just tired.
StaceyB- yes is an anemic. My RBC Have been hanging around10.0. They have dropped since starting chemo. -
at my fusion center for Taxol #2.
They were able to draw blood using my port today!!! Maybe having weekly chemo will keep it working? Sure hope so.
Waiting for blood work to be completed.
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Dodgersgirl- yeah on the port!!
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Taxol #2 done. Am home drinking water!!
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DodgersGirl
Glad things went well with port. I have not had blood drawn from the port, I have 1 good elbow vein that they have been drawing from. If it gets to be a problem, I will have them draw from port. Did get a little scare today when they put the needle in the port for infusion. Nurse flushed with saline, but couldnt get blood back. She had me turn my head both ways, cough a few times, them sit up straighter. That must have done it, cause she got a blood return. Evidently the catheter can shift slighty, but I thought Oh No! went to all the trouble inserting port and it wasn't going to work. After that things went smoothly, no SE, went out for supper and now home. Feeling good, plan on being proactive, took claritin, haven't taken any other meds. Hope to sleep and take advantage of steroid high tomorrow. Taxol/Herceptin #2 done, only 10 left!
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BJI - glad they got your port working! What you described is the trouble I was having. The port works fine for fluid pushes but they had trouble with a blood draw. Couldn't get blood from port. And apparently, when you are given AC, they require a blood pull not just a fluid push. So for 2 AC treatments, they had to stick me for blood test. And then use actavase to open the port so it woul draw blood. This last Taxol worked!! Hoping to keep up with this luck with weekly treatments. Maybe that I should going to be what keeps port open!
Hope you continue SE free!!!
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tonyaberryman- how are you holding up? Hope all is well.
I actually slept last night, the first night of chemo! Usually the steroids keep me awake. So that was exciting. Working today was easy. I am not taking any anti-nauseous meds so almost feel normal today.
Today the rosy red is appearing on my face from the steroids. Hoping that is all that happens this time. Don't want the joint pain to return. Fingers crossed. But know that realistically, it will return. Sigh.
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I had number four chemo and got the Neulasta onboard for the first time since my insurance finally approved it. Having the usual side effect of my painful knee joints, which happens every chemo. For the Neulasta side effects, the oncologist is having me take 800 motrin three times a day, one Pepcid two times a day and one Claritin once a day. So far so good.
I saw my oncologist and breast surgeon last week. After bracing for a mastectomy, now I am told I will only need a partial mastectomy which I think is the same thing as a lumpectomy? Instead of 11 inches, my tumor is around 5 inches now. The pitting and breast edema is also improving. It's hard for me to tell, but the two doctors both said it was improving.
From some of the health descriptions, it looks like some of you have already had a lumpectomy. For those who have already had a lumpectomy surgery, I think that's what I will have in a few weeks, maybe the first week of August. So I have a question. What fills up the space where the flesh is taken out for the lumpectomy? Does scar tissue just grow there? Does it look normal when it heals?
I'm really worried about all the lymph nodes they will take out. Do lymph nodes grow back? The breast surgeon says I am at high risk for lymphedema and all the things to do to prevent it just seem so much. I really don't even want to go to physical therapy for it.
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Dazzling Eagle - I had my lumpectomy in March. I totally expected to need some sort of reconstruction later to even out the breasts, but honestly, they do not look very different in size (my tumor was smaller than yours, but they actually removed another benign area too). If anything my right breast (affected one) looks slightly larger. I definitely feel some scar tissue and maybe some swelling at times. To be honest, I feel really great about my surgery. I felt my surgeon did the best job she possibly could. There are some scars of course, but healing well. Are they able to preserve your nipple? I had one surgeon that said no, and my second opinion said yes. There was no cancer in any of the skin of my breast.
I did have an axillary node resection too, and I have had more problems with that than the lumpectomy. I developed cording in my arm (which is like these bands of tissue that form and cause a degree of pain). I have been going for physical therapy for a couple months (to a PT that is trained in lymphodemia - even though cording is different) and that has helped a lot. The lymph nodes do not grow back, and we are finding that lymph fluid is getting backed up to my scar. My PT has taught me massage techniques to keep the lymph flowing toward other nodes across my body that has really helped. They give you some basics to help ward off the lymphodemia - my surgeon did not feel I needed a sleeve, and she felt the more I maintained a healthy weight and a healthy active lifestyle, including using the arm, the better off I would be.
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Hello, my fellow warriors. I made a video making fun of myself of sorts. Hope this can brighten my sisters even a tad bit.
Mimi
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Hi Ladies-
Taxol #1 monday was a little rough with the bone pain, but not terrible. My blood work has been good.
I too saw my breast surgeon this week who told me I should be looking at a lumpectomy rather than the BMX I had planned in my head. I can't help but want to disagree with him. I feel like they should both be gone, but I am a little scared of reconstruction. Anyone else feel this way?
Hope you are all doing well!
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Momojcbc,
Glad you survived Taxol #1. I think Taxol is worse than AC for me. And blood work is very important. Chances are both kidney and liver functions will go down quite a bit. I found out my liver functions are on a higher side. Started eating roasted brussels sprout and avocado daily.
About surgery decisions, I was told by my surgeon #1 (I had 3 diff consultations) If one side is bad, there is a high likelihood the other side will go bad in the near future. Radical and modified BMX were right choices for me. Especially after the fact that my so good side was changed to IDC from DCIS. I personally could not and won't take any knife anywhere near or around my chest. I have not shed a single tear looking at my scars.
If my estimate is right, your surgery may be around Sep, Ask around what other women did. Ask yourself over and over again. It is your choice and your body.
please take care.
Mimi
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Momojcbc- ref breast surgery- my BS thought a lumpectomy would be possible, too, but I keep thinking a BMX would be better. BS said long term results are similar in regards to recurrence chances. Hubby asked if I shouldn't have double BMX. BS got snippy and said just because one breast has issues doesn't indicate the other ever will
Love my MO and RO but not as confident in BS but she is supposed to be best in town. Not a lot of other options here as a BS specialist.
Figure I have a few more weeks to think this over. Really appreciate everyone sharing their surgery plans and results.
Reconstruction? Am holding off on that call til after radiation and I see what I end up with. And how I feel. Don't relish lots of cosmetic surgeries but don't sure I know what's right for me, yet. Like many of us here, I have larger breasts (DD) so whatever happens, assume I have to do something to balance out my chest. Otherwise if my left side is DD and right side is flat, I might end up walking in circles as I would surely lean to the left (meant to be funny)
I had Taxol 2 on Wednesday. Bone pain started up briefly last night but subsided as I slept. Think I feel it coming on again this morning in my left knee. By Monday this too shall pass just in time to go back to work.
Best wishes this week to you
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My BS was okay with a lumpectomy or BMX, or lumpectomy with breast reduction (I was a G cup). He thought a MX wasn't advised, and I agreed. I'm 66, and didn't want to go thru this again, so decided on a BMX. He said recurrence risk was the same. It also probably eliminated radiation, which made reconstruction easier and more likely to succeed. Chemo wasn't indicated at first, but my surgery labs changed my diagnosis from IDC to ILC, and my OncotypeDx was 24, so here I am, just now finished with chemo #2 of 4.
I don't regret the BMX decision at all, and the tissue expanders haven't been a problem
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When I was first diagnosed back in January I met with my BS. He had me meet with my team..the MO, RO, and PS before starting any treatments. Only the RO pushed for a lumpectomy. At this point in time I was planning on a BMX and going flat. After meeting with everyone (including my friend that is a mammogram tech )and my family ( my children 19, 22 and 23) I went with a nipple sparing bmx with TE Reconstruction. I was told I would need radiation either way. I woke from surgery with my TE filled to 500cc, so other than the loss of sensations it wasn't as traumatic as I thought it would be. I am very happy with my decision. The TE's are ok. They don't bother me, but will be happy to then exchanged for the soft ones. it is a big decision.
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i have been singing my two more visit to my onco song a couple of days now.
Made next wks pill box containing 100 plus plus pills spread over 28 slots this morning. I get nervous about chemo still. It may have something to do w the fact FDA trying to put a reign on opoid manufactures. I dearly need opiod in ordrr to survive the last two. I was abke to stretch one wk prescribed my cheap and mean onco to two wks. So DD TAxol #7 for this Tuesday is fully covered. I will still ask for a refill on Tuesday.
Two more trips to my onco two more pricks to my port... and eight more bad days then I'll be deported i cannot wait at all.
Mimi
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Mimi--you got this. I get crazy nervous about chemo. I am doing much better on the Taxol less than a week out compared to AC and almost feel normal but I am dreading the #2 on the 19th. I have a total of 3 more and just want it over with. My last one is July 17rh. I know chemo is necessary but I hate it. 2 left...you are almost there
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thank you Annbee
Mimi
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I got a triple hit this week...#1 DD Taxol on Wednesday, Neulasta...and shingles! Again. As each causes bone pain I haven't felt so good. I could hardly walk, severe stomach pains, fatigue, sore nail beds and sunburn-like rash on hands. lol...I feel much better today, but, will need to figure out something to get the shingles under control...I was so afraid I was also getting a UTI...dodged that bullet, so far. I woke up twice last night & felt like I had 'broke' a fever. It must have worked cuz I feel better today.
3 more to go...I can do this...right? Taxol is harder to me than AC so far.
I can't tell you all how helpful it is to read about your experiences, even though most aren't dealing with shingles, it still helps to know the other SE's are to be expected.
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utjoy- may this shingles outbreak be over with quickly.
You mentioned a sunburn like rash on your hands. I have something like that on my hands that seems to settle between my fingers. Skin turns bright red and is sore like a sunburn. I have been rubbing fractionated coconut oil on it as it seems like it could dry out and crack. And with Taxol 1, I had to wear fingerless gloves to protect the skin between my fingers. MO didn't think it was Taxol related. Wonder if it's a SE of premeds?
You have 3 more DD Taxol to go. You can do this. Look how far you have come already!! You can see the chemo finish line.
Keep posting how you are doing. Keeping you in my prayers along with the rest of us on this journey
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Thanks DodgersGirl...I have found that prayers are much needed gifts! It seems that I have read where others experienced the 'sunburn' with taxol... mine is mostly between my thumb and forefinger, but, both hands were red & tender up to my wrists...better today.
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This amazing group is always in my prayers. Seriously I don't know how I would be with out you.
I have noticed that my hands get that wrinkly, dry thing you get when you have had them in water too long, only they do this without water. The tips of some of my fingers are numb too after 1 taxol. I will do a better job of icing. Icing is hard for 3 hours.
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annebee- are you taking B vitamins and l- glutamine?? It's possible to help with neuropathy Don't know if it will help for me but I am taking B6, B12, and l-glutamine.
I also have my nails painted dark blue to keep sun out off nails and I massage in fractionated coconut oil into hands and nails twice a day. I think it more to prevent nails from lifting up, turning black, and/or falling off. Not taking chances. Trying all the different tricks other before us have shared. I have nice long nails so am trying to save them and slow neuropathy, if I can.
How are your feet? Any symptoms?
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Dodgersgirl- I am taking a multivitamin with the B's. Nothing else. My nails are short and living in Florida maybe it is the sun. My feet are fine with out symptoms. I am going to try your suggestions, maybe I am not doing enough. Thank you! It is really a really weird feeling. I don't like it. -
annbee- I wish you best of luck. Please let us know what works for you so we have more options to try as we navigate Taxol.
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StaceyB: thank you for your post. It looks like physical therapy might help a lot so I need to change my attitude about it. I believe I will save the nipple. My tumor is in the tail of my breast, so my armpit is basically where the tumor and nodes will be cut out. I have to get new scans, like a breast MRI, closer to the surgery and then I will know for sure. I don't know how much of my breast will be affected but whatever it is, I'll deal with it I guess.
Thank you for other who have posted about their surgery.
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