Newbie, confused by initial consult
Hi ladies, I was just diagnosed on 5/31. I have a triple negative, Grade 3 tumor in my right breast. It is quite small at 6mm, and at this point it appears to be in early stages, and it doesn't appear to have spread to any lymph nodes (although I won't know until I have my surgery).
I've spent the last 5 days on these boards and elsewhere, getting more and more scared by my diagnosis. I seem to be surrounded by horror stories about this TN status -- that it's aggressive, hard to treat, has a high rate of recurrence, doesn't respond to anything but chemo & radiation, and so on. So I went to the dr office this morning armed with this info, and prepared for the worst.
Except....I didn't get that. The surgeon I saw heavily downplayed my TN diagnosis. When I said, "I know this is a more aggressive type of tumor" she would say, "I stay away from saying that, it just means it has certain receptors turned off, so it won't respond to hormone type treatments." She recommended that I have a lumpectomy, based on the small size of my tumor, but she took it a step further. by stating that having a mastectomy would not offer any better treatment, and would not make a difference in terms of chance of recurrence. I was confused -- I said, "but, since this type of tumor has a high rate of recurrence, wouldn't it be more likely if I kept my breasts?" She said, "there is still some breast tissue left along the chest wall-- you can never get all of it, maybe 2% left" -- and that, "if it's going to come back, it's going to come back."
I tried a few times to follow up, but she kept repeating, there is no difference in your statistics / chance of recurring between a lumpectomy and a mastectomy. This makes no sense to me. Wouldn't you statistically have a greater chance, if you have 80% of your breasts left vs. 2%?
I have no family history of breast cancer, but she recommended I do the genetic testing since I am young-- 43-- and the TN status. I plan to do so. She also said it was highly likely the medical oncologist would want me to have chemo since it's TN.
I am going to a different doctor on Friday to get a second opinion, and this whole lumpectomy/ mastectomy thing is the biggest question mark for me. I don't want to have a mastectomy, especially since it doesn't appear to have traveled, but I'll admit being on these boards and reading this thread scares the living daylights out of me.
Thoughts?
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Hi, Autumn. I'm sorry you have to be here, but it sounds like you caught this very early. Regarding the "aggressiveness" I was actually told the same thing from one of the oncologists I saw (I went to 3 to get different opinions). I honestly think some of it comes down to the number of patients they see, since TNBC is more rare. I found the smaller practices tended to be more conservative, where the large cancer center basically said this was no big deal, we will treat it aggressively and you will be fine. This actually brought me comfort, knowing they were basing their opinion on experience. Also, TNBC is aggressive as it relates to breast cancer, but overall if you looked at other cancers the prognosis for TNBC isn't bad, and usually responds very well to chemo.
It is true your chance of reoccurance is no different if you have a lumpectomy with radiation vs masectomy. There is a lot of research to support this. What a masectomy will do is reduce your chances of getting another new breast cancer, which is why a lot of women (especially younger women) tend to go that route. This is also recommended for women who have positive genetic test results because they are at a higher risk of developing a new cancer.
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Dear Autum,
I was in your shoes one year ago. Please, read the following article of Eric P. Winer "Stage trumps biology for most small triple negative tumours". For me, the best article I have read so far on early stage TN.
I opted for bilateral mastectomy as I am a palb2 mutation carrier. I feel fine with my decision!
All the best, Desiree
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I think Sam0623 response has resumed the problem very well.
I was treated in a relatively big center (for the size of my country). Both my oncologist and my BS proposed a lumpectomy but I had many doubts. I was thinking like Autum 1031 - I was 42 at diagnosis, no family cases... Maybe if I didn't have breasts it would be safer and I was considering a BMX after chemotherapy (I was stage IIA - no doubts here). My oncologist said it would be my decision but he was ok with that (and I think he actually preferred I did it). My BS insisted in lumpectomy based in those studies that show that there is no difference in the longterm concerning disease free survival or local recurrence and on the other hand there seemed to be a benefit in survival associated with radiotherapy. I went to see de plastic surgeon who was going to help in my surgery and he said: "current guidelines recommend that women seeking mastectomy when they have indication for breast conserving surgery should be discouraged". Just like that... Of course he also told me not to complain if i were to sit there five years from now with local recurrence or new primary! Its just science status at this time. It may change.
After researching I found that women with TNBC had higher risk of a second primary tumor but the most important threat to survival is the first one (mainly due to distant recurrence... not so much local recurrence). So I decided to treat this tumor as they told me: chemo, surgery and RT. Because of what BS said, because of what I read and also because I didn't feel with courage to face what seemed to me a very difficult surgery (and recovery). If I have another lump, another biopsy probably I'll be more aggressive and perform a BMX. Also I was tested for BRCA1 and 2 and they were negative.
So listen to as many opinions as you need, think of yourself and the kind of person you are and decide what brings you peace.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. Sam0623, your explanation makes a TON of sense-- I wish the BS would have explained it in that terms. That makes me feel a lot better, and will help me make my decision. I was leaning more towards lumpectomy, based on the small tumor size and seemingly early stage, but the TN diagnosis scares me.
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Hi Autum,
I was 6mm TN as well. 5 years out for me now! I went to a large teaching hospital and they seemed un-phased by my TN status. My Surgeon also said that a mastectomy would provide no more benefit than a lumpectomy for me. When I asked, she even said, "funny you should ask, I just covered this with my students."
In terms of the TN status, the statistics that I saw at the time, showed very little difference between TN and what I call "regular" BC in terms of outcomes with both chemo and radiation for the tumor size that we have. Granted that was 5 years ago, so things could have changed.
I had chemo. At the time, the cut-off between chemo and no-chemo was <5mm for no and >5mm for yes. 1mm off!! At >5mm they said chemo was considered, so I was offered it and took it figuring that I'd rather deal with chemo when I was young (I was 44 at the time) then when I was older.
Since I was younger (like you) it was also suggested that I get the genetic testing. It is scary. The counselor gave me the best advice when we were discussing whether or not to take the test. She said, "not knowing doesn't make it not there. And if you know it's there, you can do something about it." I ended up being negative (ha, when negative is a good thing.)
Try to stay positive! Definitely read the threads about the positive sides of TN.
Cindy
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