Cytoxan Taxotere Chemo Ladies- May 2017

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rdsm
rdsm Member Posts: 68

I'm looking to connect with others that are on the same regimen. I started CT on May 15th. (once every 3 weeks, 4 times). would love to chat about side effects from chemo, cold capping, neulasta injections, etc. Are you on the same schedule?



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  • lrwells50
    lrwells50 Member Posts: 254
    edited May 2017

    I think I'm hitting the side effect wall. I slept 9 hours last night and could probably have slept more. Taste buds starting to feel weird, not hungry. Went to the grocery store this morning and that about wiped me out

  • ella421
    ella421 Member Posts: 12
    edited May 2017

    Hi am on the same schedule with fec- d had one chemo next one may 31. I haven't done cold capping =aasume I will lose my hair have ordered a wig and bought some cute scarves. Had nausea for 9-10 days following chemo although I ate and drank fine. I took olanzapine until yesterday now controlling it by eating frequently...the toughest side effect was coming off steroids I think I will ask my Onc if I can either taper or eliminate steroids.

  • rdsm
    rdsm Member Posts: 68
    edited May 2017

    My taste buds are starting to feel weird also. I am going to purchase some Biotene Mouthwash and see if that helps. I don't want to get mouth sores and know how important it is to eat healthy.

    Irwells50, are you cold capping?

    ella421, what happens when you come off the steroids? mine gave me horrible heart burn and kept me up all night. i hated taking them. I've had lots of diarhea and am trying to have more small meals with lots of protein.

  • lrwells50
    lrwells50 Member Posts: 254
    edited May 2017

    rdsm, no cold capping. The do it yourself was too much for us, and the Paxman system won't be at Baylor until June or July. Will just have to take my chances.

    On the positive side, I've had no nausea, and had spaghetti and meat sauce for dinner with no ill effects

  • lrwells50
    lrwells50 Member Posts: 254
    edited May 2017

    Also feeling joint pain, 24 hours after the Neulasta

  • VLevic
    VLevic Member Posts: 30
    edited May 2017

    Hi, just did mine May 12. Felt tired the most and did it on a Friday so I can rest over the weekend. Threw me off the wall by Monday and was at work with chaos around me because we are starting on a new electronic medical recorder at work. Felt more fatigue which decreased by Friday. The Neulasta really did hit me but took Zyrtec as my physician told me to and the Zofran for 3 days. Had constipation now diarrhea. My taste buds had this metallic taste and nothing taste the same. There was a point that I did think about not continuing this treatment but 2 of my co workers that are younger than me and are taking AC as well, every week told me to hang in there! It will get better and this weekend, felt more like myself again. I will leave my taste bud as is, as long as my head can think straight lol!

  • rdsm
    rdsm Member Posts: 68
    edited May 2017

    irwells50: i understand about the cold capping. it's a lot of work. i had chemo back in 1999 and lost all my hair. i figured i'd try it this time since it wasn't even an option back then. WOW! Spaghetti and meatballs. I wish. I've had diarrhea so am eating a pretty bland diet. need to figure out more protein snacks. it's better for me to eat more small meals right now.

    VLevic: I've heard the week after infusion is the worst and the week before is the best. It's been a week for me now and the joint pain is gone but the diarrhea is still here. Do the people at your job know what you are going through? are you reducing your hours?

  • carmstr835
    carmstr835 Member Posts: 388
    edited May 2017

    Hi everyone,

    I too am dealing wiith CT. I started last Wednesday, so 6th day for me today. I have the numb tongue, and sort of burning tongue at times. No taste at all for anything. And I am not even a bit hungry. I ate 2 scrambled eggs today plus a flax seed muffin for roughage so I don't get constipation.

    I do get a bit lightheaded, and pretty much continuous nausea, but not yet a problem. No actual vomitting just the queezy feeling.

    I am trying to exercise each day, it was pretty hard today, but did it. I have almost no joint or bone pain so far. the neulesta injection was Thursday, so I heard it is 7-8 days after for the worSt pain, and I am taking the Claritin. Good luck everyone, I sure hope we are spared the worst of the SE.

    I also am using the dignicap and so far no hair loss either. But I think that is early for that as well. I am still afraid to wash my hair for fear it will start the loss.

  • VLevic
    VLevic Member Posts: 30
    edited May 2017

    rdsm, I work in management and it was actually my fault because I chose to work that day. But now that I know how my body reacted with the first infusion, I will take an intermittent leave that Monday or day 3. I forgot to add that I do cold caps via Arctic caps. It is a lot of work but my husband helps me on that part. There was another patient that our hospital set me up to meet and she was using the Arctic caps and it was her last day and my first and her hair is still long and thick so I know it works. It has enough literature evidence to support it's effectiveness for hair loss. My oncologist offered it and she told me it works. I have researched about it and actually read about it here at the breastcancer.org. During that time, I only read about penguin cold caps, but the navigator gave me a lot of different companies from the Rapunzel project.

  • Rukoni
    Rukoni Member Posts: 21
    edited May 2017

    Hi, everyone! I will be receiving cytoxan and taxotere -- four rounds, every three weeks. My first infusion is scheduled for June 2nd, so I'm a little behind, but I wanted to reach out since you all are receiving the same treatments.

  • lrwells50
    lrwells50 Member Posts: 254
    edited May 2017

    I guess since my taste buds are okay and I have no nausea, the Neulasta is going to kick my butt. Wasn't too bad this morning, but pretty painful now. It is kind of bouncing around from place to place. Knees the worst currently

  • carmstr835
    carmstr835 Member Posts: 388
    edited May 2017

    Welcome Rukoni, I hope your chemo is SE free :)

    Irwells50, I know what you mean, my lower back is pretty sore, unless I stand. I wonder if we can take pain meds. I have some 600 Motran I could take, but they didn't tell me what to take for pain, just to call them with any problems and when they called me today, I wasn't hurting quite so bad. I can probably make it till tomorrow I hate to bother them after hours.

    My tastebuds are better today, too :) just on again off again queasy feeling. But nothing to really be concerned about. It didn't stop me from eating today. I ate more today than I have any day after my chemo.

  • VLevic
    VLevic Member Posts: 30
    edited May 2017

    Carmsyr835 ,Good to hear that you ate more today. Me too, taste buds better and able to eat better. I was told that taking Zofran can make you eat more. I have been breaking my meal 5 times a day as I was told by the dietitian. And have been drinking more water and eat a high protein diet. Although I can do that now, I can't after chemo. The Neulasta made me feel like I have a flu everywhere and did hit my back and hips more. Not looking forward for my second infusion next week but I'm going to enjoy this week. Have a great night ladies!

  • GingerA
    GingerA Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2017

    Hi I'm on the same chemo regimen, 4 rounds every 3 weeks. My first was 5/9/17. As I've written a couple of posts on "Starting Chemo in May 2017" thread, I've been battling with lots of pain, excruciating ones. Motrin works a bit but not as good as Tramadol. Lately, it'a always the left side of my upper back, feels like a pinched nerve or something, very sharp and intense. About a week ago, it was my back and I couldn't even walk. Then I found out it may have been because of Neulasta. I read that "bone is trying to expand," it felt exactly like that!!! No one warned me about that or instructed me to start taking Claritin. I read it and found out about it here on this board. With the pain med, I'm ok and struggling but working. Just yesterday my hair started to shed. I did CC but I was told it's natural for hair to shed after 2 weeks. It still is shedding at alarming rate and definitely thinning. I have thick long curly hair so people may not notice, but it is scary and hurtful to me. Hopefully it's worth keep doing CC from the next round on 5/30/17.





  • Castigame
    Castigame Member Posts: 752
    edited May 2017

    ginger A,

    Claritin does have side effects which ars more fatigue, blury vision and headache. I split each pill 1/2 in the.morning and the.other 1/2 in the evening to minimize SE. One of the things to minimize Neulasta pain.👹 is Epsom Salt bath or scrub.

    Mimi fan of Neulasta👹😈

  • GingerA
    GingerA Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2017

    Thanks Rebamacfan123 for the tips. I will try them out!


  • VLevic
    VLevic Member Posts: 30
    edited May 2017

    GingerA, I took Zyrtec since I cannot stand Claritin. I know how you feel and yes, the bones will hurt because your bone is making more WBC brought about by Neulasta. I was told by my MO to take it the day of chemo which I do take at night, counting the day 1 of chemo to day 5. Then I took Zofran for 3 days as well even though I'm not nauseated. It is just the treatment regimen of the MO that I have to follow. Just be careful with your hair and use a wide tooth comb. I know they say to wash your hair twice a week but I'm doing more than that. I also use organic detangler for hair. I have been using Just Natural hair products 3 weeks before I started chemo up to now to keep it safe. What CC are you using? Did they give you the instruction of using it 1 hour prior to and keeping it on 4 hours after the infusion as well?

  • GingerA
    GingerA Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2017

    Thanks VLevic for your input. I hired a Penguin Cold Capper for my first chemo and we did everything by the book. My hair started shedding exactly 2 weeks after my first chemo and though I do still have hair, it has thinned significantly. I've been wearing scarves. I've heard when your hair is long and thick, the scalp may not get cold enough to save a lot of hair, it would work better for people with fine, thinner hair. Also, Taxotere is the most challenging to CC. But I've also heard and read about people who lost most of their hair even though they used CC, they said their hair grew back quickly than they thought it would. I still have 3 more rounds of chemo, now that my hair is super thin, CC'd better work....but if it keeps shedding like this, I may end up with very little hair, if not bold. Would it still be worth a try?




  • duckee
    duckee Member Posts: 10
    edited May 2017

    Boy, this brought back memories! I finished TC just two yrs ago now and it seems so long ago. I guess my biggest memory was, after my first tx and associated symptoms, I thought I had it all figured out how I was going to feel after the second tx; guess what, it was always different! In terms of muscle/bone fatique, overall fatigue, taste changes, appetite (actually decreased). The biggest surprise was a case of shingles, just a small group of dots that I thought were bug bites or spider bites and I happened to show them to the derm doc who said, nope those are shingles. Looked nothing like the extreme case they show on the commerical. I was extremely tired by the third day, and would slowly start regaining stamina so by the next tx, I felt pretty good then to be knocked down again but I did walk just about every day for at least a mile ( it was summertime) . SOmeday just as slow as a turtle but I got outside. My dog loved it.

  • EmHaich52
    EmHaich52 Member Posts: 13
    edited May 2017

    I am at just over the two week mark after my first (of four) TC chemo. I've been feeling good, still have my hair (fingers crossed the cold caps are working), and can't wait to get this all behind me. Just yesterday I started feeling lightheaded and a bit out of breath. I think these are signs of anemia. But I was surprised it would start now -- I imagined that the rhythm of this was that you feel lousy seek one, better week two, and pretty good week three. Has anyone else had symptoms that didn't start until three?
  • Cedarlake17
    Cedarlake17 Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2017

    Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences so far.

    I had my first round of TC yesterday and am going back today for my first neupogen shot and to learn how to self-administer (the same kind of thing as neulasta, but split over 7 days...not looking forward to 7 self-injections after each round...has anyone else done this?)

    I'm also cold capping with cold comfort canada. Their protocol is to pre-cool for 30 minutes before chemo infusions begin and to continue cooling until 1.5 hours after. Ironically, I donated my long hair about a month before my diagnosis. I've cut it a little more now, just in case, so have a thick bob.

    GingerA - I hope your hair has finished shedding and the rest of it holds on through treatment. I have really thick hair and am nervous about shedding too. I guess I have another 12 days or so before I start to get a sense of what my hair is going to do. Please keep us updated about how this goes for you. It also might be worth asking your MO about his/her thoughts on neupogen vs neulasta. From the little bit of reading I've done comparing the two, it looks like people on neupogen have slightly lower rates of bone pain because the dose is spread out over a number of days.

  • Angeliq
    Angeliq Member Posts: 4
    edited June 2017

    Hello ladies, sorry to meet you all under such not fun circs. Isn't this whole experience just crazy? What a whirlwind all this has been! One minute I'm preoccupied with work and family and just the average day to day stuff like "Hmmm, I wonder what I should make for dinner tonight?" and the next I'm getting this scary diagnosis, surgery, chemo...My head is still spinning. Still here though and we are going to get through this!

    Had my first TC treatment on May 2. I was super hyper from the steroids the day before, day of, and day after. Then came the Neulasta shot. Started feeling achey with flu-like symptoms that kept getting progressively worse until day 6 when I had a fever up to 101.5 so off to the ER I went. Also developed "chemo rash" around my neck. They gave me stronger pain meds, an antibiotic, some benadryl, and later that day I was a lot better. May 23 was chemo #2. This time, I made sure I took the Neulasta cocktail the day before the shot. 1 Zyrtec, 1 benadryl, and a 500 mg tablet of Extra Strength Tylenol. Still had achey flu-like symptoms for the first week but they were not nearly as bad.

    I am also cold-capping. My hair was so thick and long that I had originally cut it short to about 5 inches but then was paranoid that I would have a big bald spot in the middle of my head because of the thickness so, contrary to PCC recommendations, I had it buzzed to about 1 inch all over. It's totally working and, although I have lost some hair, I dont have a single bald spot and my hair is still very thick all over on day 30. It's painful the first few minutes of each cap exchange but then gets better. It's also a tedious and expensive process, but I figure I am saving thousands in future hair transplants if I don't do this and end up with bald spots! I am also using Elastogel mitts and slippers and so far no nail changes or neuropathy.

  • Breastlessbeth
    Breastlessbeth Member Posts: 16
    edited June 2017

    My first TC treatment was April 28th. Day 7 i thought I was going to die from dehydration. I was either in bed or on the toilet the entire weekend. I had to see my PCP since the Cancer center's answering service was worthless.

    Treatment #2 May 19. If they had kept the flush solution in my veins/port it would have been uneventful. Instead I lived with ice packs and some of the worst pain ever.

    Besides the port issue I've had no side effects to speak of really. I actually had my Oncologists PA to check notes to make sure I got a treatment.

    She said side effects dont happen on TC until treatment 5 or 6. ????????

    I am seriously considering changing Chemo centers as I have no confidence in the quality of the staff.

  • LeesaD
    LeesaD Member Posts: 383
    edited June 2017

    Figured I'd jump on here. Had first TC on May 9 and second treatment yesterday. Two down two to go. Feel better today than I did day after first treatment. Issues after first treatment were just nausea for three days but managed with meds. Taste bud issues, lack of sleep from the steroids and severe back pain/spasms from the Neulasta shot that happened five days after shot. My onco said that was my bone marrow making all those white blood cells. My blood counts were awesome he said week after first treatment that he said I don't even have to have them checked after this one as he expects my body to react same way. Am taking the Claritin this time and hoping to avoid the spasm again. Hair started shedding day 14 after first treatment. I had to have it shaved as it was more traumatic having it fall out the way it was. Stay strong ladies!

  • Angeliq
    Angeliq Member Posts: 4
    edited June 2017

    Leesa, I also had the severe back pain and spasms from the Neulasta shot the first time around. It was sooo painful. I have never experienced anything like that. I think it really helped to start the Zyrtec the day before the Neulasta shot this last time around. I was told my WBCs are supposed to be between 1,600 and 7,000. During "Nadir" mine were down to 800. Thanks to the Neulasta shot, however, by my second treatment, they were at 15,000 so it totally works. I hope your SEs won't be bad this time. Sending you and everyone here lots and lots of positive energy.

  • LeesaD
    LeesaD Member Posts: 383
    edited June 2017

    Angeliq- Yes the back spasm were just so unbelievably painful and unexpected. I thought maybe some bone pain but that was a shocker. Mine lasted about 18 hours. I couldn't sleep and only could explain to my husband that it was just as painful if not worse than labor pains. Hoping not as bad this go around.
  • MomAngel
    MomAngel Member Posts: 28
    edited June 2017

    Irwells50, did you get nauseous? I start TC on 6/7. I'm so scared......well more like terrified.

  • hallsnj5
    hallsnj5 Member Posts: 258
    edited June 2017

    Hello all! I am on this ride with all of you too! The fear in the unknown is really the worst. After reading on these boards and having a friend go through chemo ahead of me, I thought I was prepared for everything. My first chemo was 5/24. It was a long journey to get to that spot so I was mixed with fear and relief. The Benadryl had me so out of it and I was so worriedly about getting my hands and feet iced that I hardly had time to react to the fact they had started the chemo. The waiting for which side effect would hit was the worst! I was a bit queasy but never took more meds. My mouth was sore a few days and the Mylanta/liquid Benadryl really helped. I took Claritan and Naproxen but still had bad back and bone pain a few days. Haircut short, bloodwork yesterday was good, so now more waiting for hair to fall out and whatever tomorrow will bring! Have a wonderful Friday!

  • lrwells50
    lrwells50 Member Posts: 254
    edited June 2017

    MomAngel, no nausea at all. I know everyone is different, but other than permanent hair loss and neuropathy, this was my biggest fear. I just hope the next 3 treatments go as well. My doctor gave me plenty of anti-nausea meds, I just haven't needed them

  • laurieellenb
    laurieellenb Member Posts: 31
    edited June 2017

    MomAngel - The anti-nausea medication that I received during the infusion worked well. No nausea at all. My onco nurse suggested that I take the prescribed Zofran the night of chemo and the next morning, just in case. I had no nausea during or after the infusion.

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