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  • Scottiemom11
    Scottiemom11 Member Posts: 1,298
    edited May 2017

    Dafne sending prayers and hugs. Get as many MO opinions as you need to find the right one.

    2Fun prayers and hugs for you as well. I some times feel like I'm treading water and you're right we just have to keep going.

    Scottie

  • 2FUN
    2FUN Member Posts: 956
    edited May 2017

    I have to say being at work is a good distraction, and one of my students kept asking"are you happy", and I would say"look at my smile!"

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited May 2017
  • Dafne
    Dafne Member Posts: 104
    edited May 2017

    2FUN, BellasMomToo, Scottiemom11, thank you gals for all the encouragement and your kind words. You are helping more than you'll ever know. BellasMomToo, I so much hope you are right!

    So, I have a couple of good news just for a change:
    First of all, my BS was performing surgery today when I went for my 3rd fill, so this guy from his team was there and I asked him to perform the filling.
    And boy, was I lucky with this amazing doc. He is such an easy-going, laid back kind of guy, smart and funny with a great sence of humor, and he did
    not hurt me at all. He took his time, going slowly, asking me if I feel pain or not and he DID listen to me when I told him things were becoming uncomfortable.
    He stopped at 80ml, telling me I did great. He answered all my questions, suggested another pain-killer drug I had not tried so far, and as an added bonus, he is a great looking guy lol! I nicknamed him Mr Grey's Anatomy and he doesn't seem to mind hahaha
    Well, I also asked him if he has any good MO to suggest and explained to him what happened with the previous MO. He was appaled, but you know,
    both doctors at the same oncological hospital, and the MO being his superior... he was in a tough spot. Nevertheless, he advised me to keep the
    appointment I already had, but suggested another MO guy, a younger one, telling me he was a good doctor and a good person too.
    After thanking him, I left for my appointment, and surprise, surprise!
    The asshole MO was not even at his office. The nurses informed me he had some urgent personal issue to attend and had to leave early.
    I thought, great, here is my chance to go find the other guy, and I did.
    I find him at the chemo wing, runnng up and down, helping with the chemo procedure, talking to patients, talking to relatives, keeping notes etc
    In a few words, I saw a guy really WORKING and not just sitting behind his big desc, lecturing people.
    He was really busy, so he could not see me today, but he fixed me an appointment for tomorrow morning.
    He seemed like a nice guy, with a hint of humor (that can never be a bad thing), who was polite towards me and found time to talk to me in a very hectic
    day.
    So tomorrow I'm gonna see him and till then I keep my fingers crossed!



    2FUN, I pray for you, girl!

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited May 2017

    Dafne, praying that the new guy is a good fit!!

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited May 2017

    Hey there:

    2FUN and Daphne: sounds like you are both having a time of it. Daphne that MO is way out of line. Good advice to get another. 2FUN,its nice to hear work is at least a distraction for you.

    I am recovering from my fat grafting surgery of last week. I am bruised from knees to collarbones. The first week was not that sore - but now I am sore. And the bruises are getting darker. I think I did too much the first week. The reconstructive surgery is harder on me than the cancer dx, I tell ya.

    Plus, I started arimidex yesterday.

    wallan

  • Bluebirdgirl
    Bluebirdgirl Member Posts: 115
    edited May 2017

    I'm really down. Thought my infection was gone but it's not. My primary doctor cultured the problem area of my incision Monday and it came back pseudomonas. Switched me from clindamycin to cipro. I see my PS Monday and I'm worried he will say it needs to be removed. I never thought I'd be in this horrible situation. Anyone have experience with pseudomonas

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited May 2017

    Pseudomonas? Wow, that is usually found in respiratory patients. Hang in there, bluebirdgirl. Maybe PS will give cipro time to do it's magic. I got released back to life by my PS today. I see him in a year to check for CC. Otherwise I am done except for tats.

  • Bluebirdgirl
    Bluebirdgirl Member Posts: 115
    edited May 2017

    That's great, Molly! Good luck to you in the future. I think pseudomonas can be found in yoir blood, skin, ears, eyes. It can be acquired from surgery is my understanding. All I know is I have it. I will have five days of cipro in me before I see PS so hoping I make progress in that time.

  • 2FUN
    2FUN Member Posts: 956
    edited May 2017

    pseudomonas can be all over. Keep an eye on your Achilles tendons and shoulder tendons. Rupture of those tendons can happen with cipro use, up to a few years later. I ruptured mine, but the cipro was better than having an infection that wouldn't go away.

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited May 2017

    I was thinking the same thing 2Fun about Cipro but I have had it several times. Hopefully it will kill the infection for bluebirdgirl.

  • Patriciam74
    Patriciam74 Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2017

    I had my surgery in 2012 and just now noticing my right nipple turning Black? I had a double done. Not sure if I should be concerned

  • 2FUN
    2FUN Member Posts: 956
    edited May 2017

    patriciam74, ok would check in with my PS , just to see what's going on.

  • Dafne
    Dafne Member Posts: 104
    edited May 2017

    Blubirdgirl, let's hope Cipro will do the miracle! My prayers with you!


  • Bluebirdgirl
    Bluebirdgirl Member Posts: 115
    edited May 2017

    Thank you, Dafne, and 2Fun!

  • Sitti
    Sitti Member Posts: 230
    edited May 2017

    Bluebirdgirl - I've been thinking about you, I hated to read you are still dealing with infection. I don't know much about that strand but am hoping that it is starting to turn around by now and that you will get a good report tomorrow. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.

    Dafne - read your update, you are in my thoughts & prayers also. I'm glad you have found a good MO, hope you are able to move forward with a much better rapport with him. I hope that it is as Bellasmomtoo said regarding the treatment.

    2Fun - Thinking of you too, hoping and pray that the thyroid biopsy comes back b9 and also the colon is clear of any problems.

    All you ladies are in my thoughts, you are each strong and amazing, you WILL get through this. Sending hugs to you as well as all the ladies on this thread.

  • carmstr835
    carmstr835 Member Posts: 388
    edited May 2017

    Hi all :)

    My surgery was March 28th, a bilateral Mastectomy with axiliary dissection on the right. Sentinel lymphs right and left. 2/19 nodes No reconstruction. I am healing very well except the 2 seromas on my left axiliary. A second opinion MO was concerned about the lump and I had an ultrasound to rule out cancer issues. He also had me have a CAT scan of my chest, abdomen, and pelvic areas, the results of those should be back soon. Not sure if I should be concerned about a 3.6 cm seroma or not, anyone else know much about seromas?

    I am a bit concerned about how I tell my MO I went for a second opinion. I want these 2 doctors to discuss my treatment plan, but they differ on their opinions. One says definitely chemo and suggested 2 different treatment plans and will decide after the cat scans and a full consultation of the team there and the other just wants radiation and hormone treatment, but also plans to put this before the tumor board regarding the aggressive lymph node involvement.

    I have positive nodes with extra-nodal extension, it was a 2.6 cm of focal extension, (if I stated that right). I have also been on Arimidex for the past 8 weeks. 2 weeks prior to surgery. Anyone been on Arimidex prior to surgery and have chemo? Is the arimidex stopped before the chemo? When is it stopped? Arimidex slows the growth, and chemo works on fast growing cells. If I wait 2 weeks after I stop the arimidex before the chemo, what keeps those cells from growing out of control. I remember what happened after the biopsy, that tumor in the lymph grew from 0 to 2.6 cm in 9 days. What about the radiation therapy do they stop the Arimidex before radiation? I know I will have radiation on my sternum, collarbone chest wall and right axillery for 5 weeks. They also disagree about the radiation along the sternum.

    I think about if this comes back, and I didn't treat it aggressively, what if I treated it more aggressively, would it still have come back? I am sure that is a question we all have to decide for ourselves. But for me, I think I want every possible way to attack this cancer. If it still comes back, at least I know I did everything possible at the time.

    On a good note, I feel great. Exercising again on the tread mill and recumbent bike I did 1 mile walking 3.0 m/h and 4 miles on the bike, 3 times a week. and lost 61 lbs in just under 1 year. Still losing about 2 lbs a month on a very low carb diet.

  • raven4mi
    raven4mi Member Posts: 562
    edited May 2017

    Bluebirdgirl, so sorry you're dealing with infection but if it makes you feel any better, I'm on my second go-around with some mystery infection. It's only a mystery because my stupid PS didn't culture until he already put me on abx. ID doctor, of course, wants to have the replacement TE taken out again. I fought him on it, so he said he'd let me try the abx route for a while to see what happens and gave me a 14 day rx for double the dose of abx (bactrim.) I don't know what possessed me because I typically do not even mention homeopathic treatments to the MDs, but I asked him how he felt about me using essential oil of oregano and high dose Vitamin C and his exact words were "I feel you're going to have a failed outcome, so you can do whatever you want." Now what the F#%$ kind of thing is that to say to an already visibly upset patient??? I wanted to punch him in the face and then he chose that moment to try to comfort me with a side hug. Get off of me, you idiot.

    Anyhow, hope the Cipro works for you. I was on Levaquin for many weeks which has similar side effects to Cipro - none of which I experienced, thank heaven - but I'm with 2FUN - better than a raging infection.

    Dafne, can't remember if I thanked you for the lotion suggestions. I'll check them out. I'm glad you were finally able to meet an MO that works for you.

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited May 2017

    Bluebirdgirl:

    So sorry, too. But can add that I had an infection (post op -- few days later it showed up/red breast) and was prescribed THREE antibiotics, one of those being Cipro. I was horrified because I eat probiotic food and take a daily probiotic, too, pre C stuff I've just always done. Anyhoo, though, they worked. My advice: aside from the label, I took them with food after getting nauseous one time but otherwise, no side effects. Cipro can be hard on your stomach. And, yeah, it has some scary stuff out there about it but what are we to do at this point but take it?

    Take a probiotic, too, if you don't already. I get mine in the refrigerated section.

    Hugs to you from another infection girl!!!

  • BellasMomToo
    BellasMomToo Member Posts: 305
    edited May 2017

    RE: cipro. I was put on cipro (and metronidazole) in March after an abscess on my colon was drained. My PCP recommended taking a really good probiotic because of the cipro. She recommended 'VSL #3'. It is non-prescription, but only sold at pharmacies. It has to be refrigerated. Costco's price was reasonable -- I think $40-50 for a 30 day supply.

  • Dafne
    Dafne Member Posts: 104
    edited May 2017

    Hello carmstr835!

    We had surgery at the same date. So sorry for the seromas trouble. I don't know how you feel about homeopathic treatments, but maybe Arnica would help you, alongside with any other drugs the docs might prescribe.
    I did have a small seroma too on my right side, but the PS was not at all concerned about it. Nevertheless, it was a pain in the ass. Arnica did
    help me a lot, plus Lymphomyosot
    I used to take it 3 times a day (10 drops in half glass of water), for at least 2 weeks after surgery. It's what Angelina Jollie used to take after her mastectomy too.
    Even if they don't help with the seroma, they sure help with bruising and swelling.

    Don't know about Arimidex is stopped before chemo and/or radiation, but Tamo is not usually prescribed before Chemo and Radio finish.
    Wish you all the best, girl. Keep us posted.

  • 2FUN
    2FUN Member Posts: 956
    edited May 2017

    what are the symptoms or a seroma?

  • Dafne
    Dafne Member Posts: 104
    edited May 2017

    Sitti, thanks for the thoughts and prayers. I do need them now more than ever, although I do have happy news to share.

    Raven4mi, no need to thank me at all. Since you mentioned homeopathic treatments, I had a huge help from homeopathy before, during and after my surgery. As I said to carmstr835 on my previous message, Arnica and Heel Lymphomyosot helped me a lot. Plus megadose of Vit C. Oregano essential oil is also great help with infections. Same goes for turmeric, as it acts as a mild, natural antibiotic. I use it on everything I cook in its powder/spice form, but also have it as a supplement. I know we don't talk about alternative medicine here, but if anyone wants me to share the homeopathic/supplement protocol I followed all this time, I would be happy to do so.

    Let me share a funny story on this too. Before surgery, I asked my BS how he would feel about the homeo/supplement help, and he told me more or less what Raven's PS said, which meant "I think it's bullshit, so go ahead and take them, they're not gonna help anyways!". Then I throw him the bait "But, you know, doc, it's what Angelina Jolie took according to her BS's suggestion. Her doc gave this info to publicity some time after her surgery".

    So the guy goes "Oh, really? How interesting, this info was not known to me.... So, ehm... I guess it it was good enough for Jolle, it's good enough for us too. Go ahead and take them". I don't know how I managed not to laugh at his face... Doctors!


  • 2FUN
    2FUN Member Posts: 956
    edited May 2017

    fafne, I am I interested in alternative, complementary, whatever medicine. Are there rules about not discussing it here?

  • Dafne
    Dafne Member Posts: 104
    edited May 2017

    2FUN I don't know if there is any rule about not discussing it here, but I know there are at least 2 special forums to talk about those stuff, the Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment and the Alternative Medicine. I could open a topic on the first forum, but I could share here too, if the rest of the girls don't have any objection, and as long as there is no specific rule against it.

  • raven4mi
    raven4mi Member Posts: 562
    edited May 2017
    To my knowledge, there are no rules about discussing alternative therapies. I, personally, would not forgo conventional medical therapy and completely replace with homeopathic options, but as an integrative approach I'm all for it.

    I'm currently getting high dose IV Vitamin C IVs in order to combat this infection, and am also taking liposomal vitamin C in between the IVs. I'm also using oils of oregano and cinnamon essential oils which are said to have anti-bacterial properties.

    If you looks for this thread the pinned post on the very first page has a number of links to alternative options: TE/Implant OVER pectoral Can exercise, comfortable &NO RIPPLES!

  • MariH
    MariH Member Posts: 24
    edited May 2017

    How long did it take for people's drain incisions to stop oozing after the drains were removed? I was told that they would stop within 36 hours.Mine were removed 5 days ago and still have significant oozing.

  • BG46TN
    BG46TN Member Posts: 286
    edited May 2017

    Marih, im from the April surgery group, but I had my drains removed and they really didn't ooze at all...maybe for an hour or so after removal, but after day 1 I didn't need gauze on them or anything. you probably just have more fluid....are you wearing a compression bra still? My PS said to keep it on for a few days after drain removal to keep the fluids down...

    Call your dr and see what they think....I'm sure its pretty normal.

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited May 2017

    I was also told to take VSL #3. It's medical grade probiotic. I got at a local pharmacy. Not cheap but I think good.

    I'm happy to dive into alternative discussion, too. I just sent Dafne a PM but glad to discuss openly here if the group is open. I've seen two integrative oncologists (one MD Anderson) and have a naturopath appt this Friday. This is all supplemental to western med. only. I'm doing tamoxifen and the normal stuff. I took supplements prior to BC and had interest, so this is not new to me just a different focus so to speak. ;)

  • LisbethS
    LisbethS Member Posts: 145
    edited May 2017

    Be careful of taking NSAIDS while on Cipro. I wish someone had told me that. I'm very sensitive to that class of drugs. They put me on Levofloxacin (same category as Cipro) when I went to the ER for a fever during chemo and it made my peripheral neuropathy worse. I read about it and there are three FDA black box warnings for that class of drugs, one of the warnings is that it can cause peripheral neuropathy and you are especially at risk if you are also taking NSAIDS. Well I was taking Advil like crazy to manage bone pain from the Neulasta. And chemo can cause peripheral neuropathy too. They never bothered to ask what meds I was on. I've added Levofloxacin and Cipro to my allergy meds list and won't ever take again unless I have anthrax poisoning. Curiously, those drugs started as chemo drugs.

    Lots of people do just fine on Cipro, I'm just very sensitive to them. And Of course you take what you have to for an infection but beware of NSAIDS with Cipro and be sure to take probiotics. I have been able to almost cure my peripheral neuropathy completely by taking L. glutamine and Alpha Lipoic Acid so it can be reversible. Also, stay on the supplements (chemo people) as one lady didn't get peripheral neuropathy until something like 6 months or a year after chemo--she popped on one of my groups and said she wished she'd known that.

    I take VSL#3 (costco pharmacy no RX needed) and Jarrow's Saccharomyces boulardii (like Floristor but cheaper from fridge section of health food store-Sprouts) religiously after my 2 1/2 months of c.diff. experience. And if I don't take it, I can tell. I wish I had been taking it prior to chemo and abx so my gut might have been able to fight off the c.diff bacteria I was exposed to in the hospital. You know, now that I think about it, all MOs should put patients on probiotics right away because it's inevitable that they'll be in the hospital and be on an abx at some point during cancer treatments unless they are very lucky.

    I'm all for talking about alternative therapies and complimentary therapies. My MO gave me a name of a good Naturopath, I can't wait to go see him. I know, for one lady who sees him, he gave her copper reducing meds to prevent cancer reoccurrence. Has anyone heard of that? I'll be interested to find out more about it when I see him.

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