Plan to refuse ALND with a positive SNB

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stephilosphy00
stephilosphy00 Member Posts: 386
edited June 2017 in Stage III Breast Cancer

Hi ladies, I had unilateral mastectomy + SNB exactly a week ago. The surgeon agrees that radiation is just as effective as nodes dissection so she only removed 2 sentinel nodes. I haven't got the pathology report back yet but she said she would let me decide what to do if any of those two nodes are positive. I think I will refuse the ALND and just have radiation instead.

Does anyone here also choose not to have ALND? I really need some positive stories to support my decision.


Thanks!

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  • Bootscootin
    Bootscootin Member Posts: 70
    edited May 2017

    Steph...my breast surgeon told me before surgery that if sentinel nodes were positive we would treat them with radiation, not surgery. She felt that radiation was comparable and reduced the risk of lymphedema that goes along with ALND. Turns out that my nodes were negative but I had radiation anyway since I had lumpectomy. I am concerned that doctors are still doing ALND but I am not a doctor and maybe there are situations where it is still appropriate. I was relieved that ALND was not part of my plan

  • ash123
    ash123 Member Posts: 99
    edited May 2017

    Steph, I had negative SNL so no other lymph node was taken out. I had bilateral mastectomy and had 33 days of radiation of chest wall and axilla. I hear all the time ALND and am not sure what is the best one.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited May 2017

    I'm not Stage III but did have a positive node. I knew almost from day 1 that ALND was considered automatic in my case and knew, as well, that I really did not want to go that route. In the end I did not do ALND (did do extensive RT) and have since read a number of studies that seem to support that decision. I do not lose any sleep over it. Good luck getting comfortable with whatever decision you make. None of this is easy, is it?

  • stephilosphy00
    stephilosphy00 Member Posts: 386
    edited May 2017

    Thank you so much for all your replies! I think because I am only 30 I am just so concerned about my quality of life for the rest of life if I have ALND. Glad to see there are other surgeons agree extensive radiation can also be effective.

  • stephilosphy00
    stephilosphy00 Member Posts: 386
    edited May 2017

    Just got my final pathology report back! The tumor now is 1.8cm and before chemo it was almost 3cm. They only found cancer in one of the three nodes they removed. ER and PR now are both100%, Her 2 still negative and Ki 67 is still 7.5%. No LVI found post chemo. Interestingly they also found DCIS inside the tumor and somewhere far away from the tumor which were missed by MRI. I will turn down ALND without too worrying about if it is a good decision.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited May 2017

    That's really good news, stephilosophy00. Thanks for posting it!

  • Wildplaces
    Wildplaces Member Posts: 864
    edited May 2017

    Steph

    There is an article on this site supporting your decision.

    Also

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21403615

    ALND is very tricky and is both operator dependent and patient dependent for good results.

    Also there is an increasing body of work discussing the overall immune response one gets from radiotherapy and it's potential benefits in cancer therapy.

  • GeorgiaRai
    GeorgiaRai Member Posts: 175
    edited May 2017

    I had SNB prior to neo-adjuvant chemo, followed by BMX & rads. 8 of 8 nodes were positive, but my BS didn't recommend ALND. She felt there was no additional benefit & wanted to keep risk of LE as low as possible. In June, I'll be 5 years post-op!

    Best of luck to you, stephilosophy (what a great screen name!!)

  • SSInUK
    SSInUK Member Posts: 245
    edited May 2017

    I understood that RT and ALND carry similar risk of lymphodema - what you really have to avoid is both together. But maybe there are other opinions?

  • Wildplaces
    Wildplaces Member Posts: 864
    edited May 2017

    SSinUk,

    While my personal opinion is that lymphodema with ALND is related to surgical expertise and patient factors ( size of breast thus mastectomy, obesity) and numbers of nodes removed, this is an easy to read comment/article and they are others, that support a benefit of Rads over surgery.

    I had ALND, don't have lymphoedema so far


    http://www.cancer.net/early-stage-breast-cancer-lymph-node-radiation-therapy-works-well-surgery-lower-risk-lymphedema


  • bookgal
    bookgal Member Posts: 15
    edited May 2017

    Thank you for posting this. Very timely for me. This is my second time(other breast) around and I never knew that there was a choice between ALND and Radiation. I am confused though about there being a choice. My surgeon has said that SLN Pathology would be done at time of surgery and then if positive ALND would be done as part of same surgery. Has anyone had this done?


    I have had restriction and some truncal lymphedema ever since prior mast. and ALND surgery and am fearing the same or worse with this one...let alone what to do about blood draws blood pressure monitoring, etc. To think there could be a choice is interesting. Any one actually done this?

    This time imaging and pathology are suspicious but not clear cut (ER/PR pos. but no type or grade or even stage at this point.) so maybe no ALND is a possibility... crossing fingers... for us all!!!



  • stephilosphy00
    stephilosphy00 Member Posts: 386
    edited May 2017

    Hello Bookgal,

    " Surgeon has said that SLN Pathology would be done at time of surgery and then if positive ALND would be done as part of same surgery" the surgeon I met at first said the same so I went find another surgeon who is more understanding and gave me an opportunity opinion to make my own decision. Probably it is time to seek a second opinion! Best wishes!

  • Eian01
    Eian01 Member Posts: 30
    edited May 2017

    Steph, My surgeon initially kept me on radiation and says it reduces risk and i am not stage iii. ALND is not my choice, but surgeon convinced of all the research and safety protocols it is backed with. Don't go for both together, Good Luck!!

  • Wildplaces
    Wildplaces Member Posts: 864
    edited May 2017

    bookgal,

    This is a reference from the Amaros trial.

    There is also an article in the Lancet about it.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26488192

    It is relatively new work but certainly it's been floating on research discussion for about 5 years.

    Surgeons operate, carpenters work in wood etc - particularly in case of previous lymphoedema I would seek the opionin of a radiation oncologist before making any firm surgical plans for ALND.

    I choose to have an ALND BEFORE I knew my nodal status ( yeah I know😱...). I just wanted the whole thing out in a block without too much handling of tumour mass. As it happened I still needed radiotherapy to chest wall and supraclav - although that was a debate - the bugger was a little bigger then predicted by MRI ( unusual because MRI if anything overestimates). I made m choice knowing the surgeon very very well and knowing I am quite small so not a lot of depth to the dissection - it matters.

    I think if I got lymphoedema once I would consult both surgeon and radiation before making my second decision.

    Wishing you well – I am a strong believer a patient knows instinctively when a treatment fit is right for them.

    Trust your gut - it will serve you well.


  • Wildplaces
    Wildplaces Member Posts: 864
    edited May 2017

    oh and the route you described ( if SLN positive move to ALND is what happened/happens for the last 15 yearsor more really in theatre - not at unusual and still part of " standard of care"

    Last 5 years are seeing more options 😊

  • stephilosphy00
    stephilosphy00 Member Posts: 386
    edited May 2017

    Wildplaces, thank you for your information!!

  • bookgal
    bookgal Member Posts: 15
    edited June 2017

    Thank you for the information and suggestions. I hadn't even thought of a rad consult. Ill have to find another dr as my old one is no longer in practice near me.... so much to think about.Glad there is so much knowledge on this site.

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