Wish I had never,never done rads, DEEP REGRETS

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  • CindyABH
    CindyABH Member Posts: 7
    edited May 2017

    Hi all. I am suppose to start Radiation therapy this month but told my RO I need some time to think about it. I am having such a hard time deciding if I want to have it done or not. A big part of me says no because of all I've read and pictures I've seen. I'm not sure if the percent outweighs the possible effects. I'm not trying to be such a downer but am really scared and confused. Would really appreciate some input. I did have a session with my RO last week about my concerns and still left out of there with so many doubts. Has anyone had the same issues? I would love to hear if I am being silly or whatever. I've been really emotional for the last couple of days and need to make up my mind so I can move forward. I have been very positive throughout this whole thing but for the doubts and indecision I'm having at this time. macbo4, I am so sorry to hear of all the problems you've had and hearing them just kind of warrants my fears. I sure hope all gets better for you and anyone else that has to go through the rough times. I don't want to take the chance, so maybe my fears are warrented.

    Thank you all for listening,

    CindyABH

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited May 2017

    mac~ Your experience is heard loud and clear by me. Quite shocking. I am sending healing energy and respect. I feel like both of us need so much in terms of surviving the treatment. Until the next crisis, the medical community is done with us as soon as they fry us!

    My naturopath specializes in oncology. I want the best survivorship care care I can find. Willing to do my part, also.

    Cindy~ I feel unqualified to offer advice. It's a tough decision. For those of us at high risk, it seems as though we do not have a lot of options.

    Bless.

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited May 2017

    Hi Cindy, I can't tell you what to do, but it sounds like your fears are realistic. I am one of the many who were grievously injured, and are still suffering the consequences for the rest of my life. I know many women would say they got through just fine. I just know I still deeply regret being browbeaten into doing something that always felt horribly wrong. If I had to say anything at all to you, I would say listen to your gut. Decide for yourself, if the worst side effects were to happen to you, would the theoretical improvement in risk of reoccurence be enough to counterbalance daily pain or disability.

    Gardengypsy, thanks again for sending me good, healing energy. I really appreciate it.

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited May 2017

    Cindy- With your profile it would probably benefit you to have rads, esp since you are ER- and won't be a candidate for anti-hormone therapy. But be your own advocate. If you feel like you've had enough mid-tx or whatever you can stop. It's really in your hands how much you can tolerate and take. Each of us has to really look at our own profiles and talk with our docs to figure out our risk factors of doing rads. Do the benefits of zapping the tumor bed to ensure any cancer cell that may have been left behind from sx or chemo is gone outweigh the possible risks. Mac's story is horrible. I've never read such a thing. No one can predict how we will do with any tx, or if it will really work. Whatever decision you make you need to not look back and think what if type of thing. Be at peace with what you decide and just go forward. That's pretty much what we all do. Best wishes.

  • CindyABH
    CindyABH Member Posts: 7
    edited May 2017

    I agree gardengypsy, it is a tough decision to make. I wish it weren't. I appreciate your response. I wish you all the best and you also macb04. I am so sorry that you were treated like that. I wish with everything in me that you didn't have to go through this for the rest of your life. It's horrible and not fair! Maybe it doesn't happen to everyone, but I don't want to have to go through things that could happen. I am trying to do what I feel is the right choice for me and I feel now that I have finally made up my mind as to what I am going to do. My RO called me yesterday after I had had enough of reading and looking at the computer. I will be talking with her in a bit to let her know what I have decided. The main concern I have had from the beginning was under my arm where they took the lymph nodes and I told her that that is the one place I do want to have radiation done. I do not want to have the chest area touched at all. Call me crazy, but that is what I feel in my heart is the right choice for me. I have had a positive attitude since my first shock, crying, and getting angry and I'm sure I had a few other emotions in there before everything started rolling. Artista928, thank you too for the response and like I have said, I feel that this is the right choice for me. I believe it with all my heart. I wish only the very best for all of us that have to go through this.

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited May 2017

    Cindy- And that is all we are asked to do is to consider the pros and cons for us personally before deciding. People who have done rads do recurr so no guarantees. I'm glad you have decided and are at peace with your decision. That's the toughest part imo with this crazy disease. Best wishes.

  • CindyABH
    CindyABH Member Posts: 7
    edited May 2017

    Artista928, I am happy with my decision. Finally! It took a lot of research. You're right, this is a crazy disease and there are no guarantees. I sure wish there were!

    Best wishes to you too.

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited June 2017
  • klmk1974
    klmk1974 Member Posts: 6
    edited June 2017

    I regret ever having done any treatments . None of my doctors were truthful . They all lied . I was given no choices . I was told I had to complete all treatments as prescribed or I would not make it a year . I wish I had stood my ground and just died

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited June 2017

    I relatively sailed through rads with just an enlarged mammary seroma, a bit of fibrosis, and mild lymphedema (since reverted to Stage 0 or “subclinical”). But this week, after last Sat.’s strength-training workout, I started feeling soreness in my upper back (especially right side) that, instead of going away a few days later, has been steadily worsening. (Feels like that “scoline syndrome” delayed-onset muscle soreness you get for a few days after lumpectomy). I feel it especially when plopping down into a chair and then trying to move, going down stairs, bending over past the point where I can squat, and breathing deeply from my chest instead of abs. I was osteopenic the day before I started rads, have been on letrozole 18 months, had one Zometa and one Prolia treatment. I wonder if the letrozole pushed me over into osteoporosis, despite the bone drugs, and if the rads further weakened the ribs on my right side to where one may have fractured. My PCP yesterday speculated “bad weightlifting technique” until I told him my trainer spots for me and I hadn’t worked out in a week—then he said maybe it’s a thoracic-spine compression fracture and to let him know how I’m doing. I think I’ll mosey on over to the Urgent Care clinic tomorrow a.m. and get a chest x-ray to see if I’ve broken a rib. (A spinal fx wouldn’t have been precipitated by rads, but a rib fx. could). I also see my BS’ NP after my mammo Tuesday. Also increasingly anemic despite all pertinent levels being normal.

    Heeere we go again…..

  • TarheelMichelle
    TarheelMichelle Member Posts: 871
    edited June 2017

    ChiSandy, I hope it's nothing serious. Oh, to be normal for just a few moments.

    I'm also wondering if the 10-year recommendation for AI is going to create a generation of women with (even more) fragile bones.

    Do let us know what the doctors say. I'll be thinking positive thoughts about your bones.

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited June 2017

    Chi Sandy sorry you are having pain, but I have to say I was burnt straight through to my back, so I could have spinal relsted fractures. I have heard of a number of other women also burnt through to their back like me. It is more common than you think, and definitely under reported. It is terrible all the lies they told to me and so many of us. I don't know how they sleep at night.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited June 2017

    macb04, I can’t imagine how awful having such extensive rads damage must have been, even though I’ve followed your story for over a year now. My guess is that if I have a spinal fracture, it’s likely from the osteopenia having become osteoporosis (and I’ve had evidence of degenerative disk disease since my 30s), because I had targeted-beam partial-breast rads. But the ribs are another story—they were in the rads field. (And of course, I hope the pain is not from mets. Can’t keep my mind from going to that dark place).

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited June 2017

    ChiSandy....good luck. It sounds like a fracture to me too. Here's hoping for the best news. Good luck and keep us posted

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited June 2017

    Chi Sandy. I hope it is just the fracture, at the worst. My mind goes to the dark places at least once per day.. I have a little back pain, and wonder if it is just my using my rower several times per week. I will keep you in my thoughts.


  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2017

    Hoping for the best, Sandy.

  • SJI
    SJI Member Posts: 69
    edited June 2017

    Chi Sandy - hoping for the best for you.

    CindyaABH: I wish I had asked more questions instead of just accepting that radiation is just a given if you have a lumpectomy. Things were going fine for the first 13 out of 20 treatments. Now the treatments are on hold, I'm on antibiotics for cellulitis, my breast is painful and has a really weird lump. I thought I was almost done as far as the initial treatment so I'm starting to feel pretty discouraged. Also hate being on anti-biotics because I've had c diff in the past and want to avoid any chance of going through that nightmare again. HIndsight.....

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited June 2017

    SJI- What is c-diff?

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited June 2017

    Clostridium Difficile (C. Diff). It is a very serious infection of the GI tract that can occur following antibiotics. Leads to abdominal cramping, and severe life threatening diarrhea. Very hard to cure.

    Sji. How awful to have had C diff. Antibiotics are so hard on the gut, and can really cause imbalances in the flora. I hope you get through this . I deeply regret getting browbeat into radiation. Every day I wish I had told them no. I never feel safer, and I have so many problems. Definitely not worth the suffering for such a backward, unsafe method as radiation. It is barbaric.

  • Enerva
    Enerva Member Posts: 3,162
    edited June 2017

    macb04. I agree with you.

    I also wish I never did it. I now live with rad se issues and all I can do is get use to it. The new me .with all the pain and cramps not to forget the iron right breast feeling from time to time. Yes the burn all the way through our back my right side got something now which I just have to live with it .

    SAndy hope you are ok. It must be a rib. Try to get it look after as soon as you can.

    Sending you all a big hug


  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited June 2017

    Hi folks, I came b/c I saw Enerva post. Hi sweetie.

    Has anyone done a search to see what current results are showing versus new data. I was easily able to avoid the choice b/c of my scenario. I was so glad. But as a result I never did an in depth search to determine choice.

    I have never read this thread in it's entirety, but kept it as a resource for anyone questioning radiation.

    I have maintained I have no view or opinion b/c of no study.

  • Enerva
    Enerva Member Posts: 3,162
    edited June 2017

    ah sass. All ok just dealing with small issues

    I will keep in touch

    Miss you

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited June 2017

    Enerva Lovey, we are still in the same place Bless you young one

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited June 2017
  • sdianel
    sdianel Member Posts: 49
    edited July 2017

    I had 5 days radiation that ended May 19, 2017. Was using Aquaphor. First week after, sore and red. Second week after felt pretty good. End of third week small itchy patch like sunburn. Used Cortisone cream didn't help. Called office. Said try Benadryl cream. Didn't help. Developed huge sore and peeling. Very painful. Prescribed pain meds. Sent photo of breast to doctor. Made appt to see me. DR said could be fungal so gave prescriptions for antibiotics fungal cream Andy Silvadine cream. Said reaction usually happened end of treatments not 2 weeks later. So now suffering 5 weeks! Finally big sore healed but still peeling and itching, sore, swollen, red and painful. Read list of high risk for side effects before you decide. Age, obesity, anemia, immune disorders are some. I don't think I would do it again. It is a very difficult decision

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited July 2017

    That's interesting, I never sawa list of high risk for side effects. Another thing they lied about. I had a reaction after four days - nausea, they denied that was possible. Then at two weeks I was ready to quit red painful rash om my chest, they gave me four days off and switched to five boosts. Two months after it was supposedly over I had DBC - delayed breast cellulitis. None of them had a clue what to do. Antibiotics, prednisone, more cream. It's over a year later and I still have problems from radiation. I wouldn't do it again.


  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited July 2017

    Sorry duplicate erased

  • pingpong1953
    pingpong1953 Member Posts: 362
    edited July 2017

    I guess I should thank my lupus for my RO's strong suggestion (he didn't absolutely say "no") that I'm not a good candidate for radiation and that I should go with a mastectomy and lymph node removal after chemo. I was disappointed at first, since I'd already had a lumpectomy so this means another surgery. But the more I thought about it the more comfortable I felt with the MX. I know that surgery isn't always straightforward and strange things can happen, but from what I've read here, radiation has way, way more bumps in the road.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited July 2017

    X-rays (chest/ribs, spine) negative for fracture, osteolytic or osteoblastic lesions (i.e., no mets), and lungs clear. Mild degenerative disc changes, upper convexity (kyphosis—but tell me something I didn’t know), with “wedging” between T7-8 (narrowing of the space between the vertebrae at the front). Diagnosis is a deep muscle strain, probably the right lat. PCP says physical therapy—but instead of a referral to a PT clinic, my trainer can do it because he has OT certification and is about to get PT cert. as well. Trainer warned that it could take about 4 weeks and usually gets worse before it gets better. It peaked late last week and has begun to ease—therapy has been stretching, strengthening of supporting muscles, heat, Tylenol and Baclofen twice a day. Blue Emu and arnica gel has helped too. (Because of anemia with no diagnosed cause yet, no NSAIDs—not even topicals, COX2 inhibtors or even my low-dose heart aspirin). And postural exercises to keep my chest forward & shoulders back. (Sort of counterintuitive for someone sensitive about the size of her “rack,” but…)

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited July 2017

    That's just lovely Chi-Sandy. Glad to hear your clean bill of health. You sound like you have a great treatment plan for the muscle pain.

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