Newly diagnosed - path report

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ouray17
ouray17 Member Posts: 54

Diagnosis: invasive ductal carcinoma, (no ductal carcinoma in situ present), nottingham grade 1 (3+1+1)

...positive for estrogen receptor (100%) progesterone (90%) and negative for Her2. ki-67 proliferation index is 20%. Biomarker testing: tumor block:1A

Can someone explain what all this means?

Thank you for your help,

Karen

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2017

    Hi ouray17,

    We're so sorry to hear of your diagnosis, but thankfully you found our Community, the best place to get answers, support, and advice.

    We're sure others will be popping in shortly to help explain these pieces of your path report and offer their help. In the meantime, you may want to check out the main Breastcancer.org site's section on Your Diagnosis, which explains what each piece of your path report means. There's also helpful information about treatments, questions to ask, further testing, and much, much more on the Breast Cancer 101 page.

    We hope this helps and we look forward to hearing more from you soon!

    --The Mods

  • Luckynumber47
    Luckynumber47 Member Posts: 397
    edited May 2017

    It's like learning a whole new language isn't it? I spent a lot of time when I was first here reading everyone's signature lines to try to figure out what's what. My dr even printed out the whole section the mods recommended because the info was so good.

    Being ER/PR positive and Her2 negative is very good. It means you'll be able to take anti-hormonals and they are very effective. Although your Mitotic rate and ki67 are a little high your Nottingham score is excellent, meaning you have a low grade tumor.

    Do you know the approximate size and whether they suspect positive lymph nodes? You might talk with your dr about having an Oncotype test done. That will determine if chemo's benefits outweigh the risks for you or if you get to skip it.

    With this pathology I think you can feel very hopeful that this is very treatable and you'll be on the road to complete recovery in no time.

  • ouray17
    ouray17 Member Posts: 54
    edited May 2017

    Thank you, Lucky Number 47! It is like learning a new language, but at least I have something to go on. The tumor is very small: 7 mm by 7 mm so I am hopeful for a good outcome. If I could get by without chemo, that would be even better! No matter, it needs to be gone and whatever it takes to keep it from coming back.

    Can you explain why the estrogen? I'm 60 and had a hysterectomy with ovaries removed 15 years ago. Would have thought I wasn't making estrogen.

    Can you explain the ki-67?

    Thanks,

    Karen

  • Tappermom383
    Tappermom383 Member Posts: 643
    edited May 2017

    A surprising thing I've learned on this adventure is that our fat cells make estrogen. I, too, have had a total hysterectomy. Ouray, do you have an appointment with your surgeon? S/he will be able to answer a lot of your questions.

    MJ




  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited May 2017

    Fat cells and adrenal glands make androgens. The liver makes a hormone called aromatase that is a catalyst for converting the androgens into estrogens. The class of drugs called aromatase inhibitors,aka AIs (anastrazole/Arimidex, letrozole/Femara, exemestane/Aromasin) short-circuits this process by interfering with aromatase’s actions.

    Being 60, with the tumor so highly ER+, PR+, and HER2-, coupled with the tumor being <1cm and only Grade 1, it’s highly unlikely that an OncotypeDX test would even be ordered—but if it were, you’d probably be well within the “low risk” area. Is this a biopsy path result, or after surgery? If after surgery, you get the same results, the margins surrounding the tumor are clear and no lymph nodes are positive, you would first be advised to get radiation (and at >60, perhaps the shorter partial-breast protocol I had) and then some anti-estrogen drug—usually an AI but perhaps Tamoxifen.

    Did you have surgery and if so, was it lumpectomy or mastectomy?

  • ouray17
    ouray17 Member Posts: 54
    edited May 2017

    I see the surgical & medical oncologists on Mon, the 22nd. Grateful for the er+/pr+, but ready to get this party started.



  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2017

    Ouray - it is important to note that the ER+ aspect of the pathology report does not correspond to how much estrogen you are making, but rather it is a measurement of how many estrogen receptors are present on the breast cancer cells. If you receive a percentage number - say 70% ER+, that means that out of 100 cells looked at on the slide by the pathologist 70 of them had estrogen receptors, thus the percentage number. Having had a hysterectomy, and age or menopausal status, do not necessarily have any bearing on how many receptors may be present. As has been pointed out in the posts above, your body continues making estrogen in other ways after a hysterectomy or menopause, and that estrogen feeds the receptors on the cells. For this reason, even though you have had a hysterectomy, you will need anti-hormonal medication post surgery, regardless of what type. I am also 60, and had a total hyst/ooph at 45 due to numerous fibroids. My ER+ percentage was 96%, quite high, so I have been on anti-hormonals for the past 6 years. Ki67% is a measurement of a protein cast associated with cell proliferation, and is used by physicians to determine tumor aggressiveness. It is considered useful info by some docs and not by others, as some feel it is an unreliable marker. Generally, a Ki67% over 20% is considered high, 10-20% considered borderline, under 10% is low. Hope this is helpful.

  • ouray17
    ouray17 Member Posts: 54
    edited May 2017

    Thank all of you for the information! Will let you know what the doctors say.

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