Vent about Permanent Neuropathy

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  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited May 2017

    If you get eyebrow tats be sure you get someone who has lots of experience and bring an old photo. Someone I knew got some and they were too low and angled like Bozo the clown. With everything else we don't want to be stuck with bizzare eyebrows

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited May 2017

    I tried the floss exercise just now. My outer foot wanted to cramp when I turned my toe in, but otherwise it was o.k. Is it supposed to be done all the time, once a day, what? Gets a little ab work in as well!

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited May 2017

    elimar~ I am going to ask my PT more next week. I will also ask another board member here who advised me about it.
  • lrscott2649
    lrscott2649 Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2017

    I pray your days get better. I pray I don't experience that side effect because red devil was enough.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited May 2017

    lrscott - welcome. Do you have neuropathy? When you get a chance, please go to My Profile and fill in your diagnosis and treatment. It makes it easier for those who answer to understand where you are in the process.

  • Gingerbrew
    Gingerbrew Member Posts: 2,859
    edited May 2017

    Hi, here I am after almost seven years. I still have totally numb feet, I feel the non feeling on the bottoms of my feet. Still I have had shoes slip off and not know it. My hands are like gauze is over them. I still have bad electrical type pain in my feet especially in the arches, ai yi yi! Dr is just prescribing something to try to manage my back pain, a strong anti inflammatory. I broke my back nearly three years ago and walking ir standing realll hurts to the paont I just stay home. So I hope this drug gives me some moblilty but will be surprised if it helps with the neuropathy. I will let you know.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited May 2017

    elimar~

    On another thread, Serenity wrote,

    "Nerve flossing can be done daily a few times a day. It's better to underdo to avoid irritating nerves. We want them relaxed. It shouldn't hurt at all."

    Happy flossing!!

  • stephilosphy00
    stephilosphy00 Member Posts: 386
    edited May 2017

    Hi all, I am not sure if I have chemo-induced neuropathy or not. Before diagnosis, I already had some pain in my L shoulder (cancer side) and numbness from shoulder all the way to fingers on and off more than a year, which I think was caused by wrong sleep position. However, ever since I started AC chemo the pain came back and got worse, the pain and numbness are still bearable but I find them very annoying. Can chemo make the preexisting neuropathy worse?


    Thanks!

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited May 2017

    Yes chemo can definitely make preexisting neuropathy worse! I have an autoimmune peripheral neuropathy and that was the main reason I didn't have chemo. My oncotype was 27 but my MO was against chemo. Good luck to all...

  • stephilosphy00
    stephilosphy00 Member Posts: 386
    edited May 2017

    Thank you so much dtad!

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited May 2017

    I would suggest a consult with a neurologist.

  • Ozoner
    Ozoner Member Posts: 128
    edited May 2017

    I got neuropathy on Kadcyla and ended my participation in the trial for HER2+ cancer after eight infusions.

    Being on AIs for BR+ cancer also exacerbated the neuropathy, which is slightly improving now that I'm off of them. I've also noticed worse symptoms when I take Crestor.

    Glad to vent here because you all know how hard this is. I avoid mentioning neuropathy to those well-meaning friends who don't understand

  • leftduetostupidmods
    leftduetostupidmods Member Posts: 620
    edited May 2017

    I'm 7 years out and I still have numbness in my toes. It comes and goes for a couple of months at a time. Also - and this is permanent - I feel like I am wearing soles filled with needles most of the time. I have to really monitor myself when I'm walking as I have the tendency to rotate my feet so it wouldn't hurt that bad when I step and it gives me a weird gait. Even if the pain is really the same. If I pay attention I can walk normally though. I also experience horribly painful calf muscle cramping from time to time. The worse is if I get that on my right leg when I'm driving. I don't have foot drop issues though.

    The AIs have caused rapidly advancing osteoarthritis for me, especially in the neck area so I am not really sure where every little pain and numbness comes from. The toe numbness though is not from the spine as that area is not affected by osteoarthritis.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited May 2017

    seachain - my PCP put me on Magnesium the first of the year for leg cramps. June will be the first blood tests since I started taking, so I'm interested tp see if the level is relevant. Since I started the mag, I've only had one bad leg cramp.

  • jackboo09
    jackboo09 Member Posts: 920
    edited May 2017

    Hello,

    My name is Liz and I am newly dx as stage 4 with a loco regional recurrence of Her 2 estrogen positive BC, a 3 cm mass in my chest ( internal mammary node)

    I had my first THP 17 days ago. As soon as infusion started I had some slight burning in hands and feet and ridges appeared on hands. This remained for day 1 but disappeared. Now I have mild pain, tingling and my hands and feet just feel weird. I know it's neuropathy and am now scared to death that I still have 5 treatments to go.

    How crap is all this that my only option appears to live with not being able to walk, dress, etc ...

    Angry and scared and would appreciate any advice. It's mild at the moment but it will surely get worse and it's happened on treatment one for me.

    Wishing everyone the best on the forum. 😟

    Liz

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited May 2017

    Liz,

    I am sorry to hear about your diagnosis.

    Yes, you have a long haul ahead of you. The chemo is there to save your life. Most of us do ok even though we have the SEs. For many people, they go away. For others, we learn to cope with them. The SEs have really impacted me.

    Take good care.

  • jackboo09
    jackboo09 Member Posts: 920
    edited May 2017

    Thanks garden gypsy. I am sitting here thinking that there is nothing I can do as Taxotere is part of the Cleopatra trial I am on and as my tumour is in a tricky place, this tx is my lifeline.

    Is it worth icing? Not routinely recommended inUK I presume because of a lack of clinical evidence?

    Liz x

  • Penzance
    Penzance Member Posts: 101
    edited May 2017

    Hi Liz,

    I have had pins and needles in my feet (sciatica) and my right hand (nerve entrapment, shoulder and elbow), also phantom sensations in the right hand (as if it was plunged in hot water, very unpleasant). For the sciatica, I did physio and exercises, used a lot of Arnica, and took Magnesium supplements. It took a whole year to heal, and I have to do 'maintenance' for the rest of my life. For the hand, I wore a wrist and hand splint for over 6 months (it was after a macrobiopsy, I am doing data entry at work, mostly figures, i.e. using the right hand, nearly all day long, which aggravated the symptoms), used Arnica, and my physio did a lot of nerve flossing which really really helped. Another trick I used was to superimpose new sensations, to try and override the phantom pains: I would take my shoe off and roll a tennis ball under the sole of my foot, or I would wrap a cold pack (like those you use for sprains) around my hand for a couple of minutes. Although the sensations were never very painful (except for the sciatica), they would sometimes prevent me from sleeping, or wake me up at night. I have read elsewhere that St John's Wort tincture (rubbed in) might help, as might acetyl l carnitine supplements. I'll have a look on the German forums when I have a bit of spare time. I am glad it went away in my case: dropping things got me in trouble at work (especially a ready made dish of curry - but why do we have carpet in the staff kitchen area too?) and dressing, cooking etc. wre really tricky: for a time, I was buying precut vegs! Best wishes.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited May 2017

    jackboo - Sorry to hear about your Stage IV diagnosis. Definitely tell your docs about the SEs. Maybe they can add something like Benedryl for the burning? Usually they can reduce the dose of the taxotere, but I'm not sure since you're in a trial.

    I'd go ahead w/the icing. Nothing to loose - right? I used frozen peas in zip lock bags because they shift around better than ice cubes. Start 15 minutes before the Taxotere and continue for 15 minutes after - 90 minutes. I was lucky my infusion center had a freezer because I needed two sets of peas to make it through the time. Also that might help stop nail loss. I did my hands all 6 times, never lost a nail and had only mild neuropathy in my fingers. I didn't ice my feet the first treatment and my big toe nails did start to pull loose. Who knows how much worst the neuropathy would have been w/o icing. Take a warm coat if you tend to get cold anyway. And ask about adding B-6 and B-12 if you're not already taking those.

    Do let us know.

  • jackboo09
    jackboo09 Member Posts: 920
    edited May 2017

    Hi Penzance and Minustwo

    Great tips and thank you for sharing your experiences. I want to ice next Thur. No idea how I will manage this as there are no facilities, that I am aware of.

    I have walked and cycles today and I have mild burning. However, this is likely to get worse and I think I should do whatever I can. Strange how cold cap is wildly available here but not icing.

    Will keep you posted.


    Liz x

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited May 2017

    Even tho' we might be in the minority, having the long lasting CIPN, I still think it is under-reported and downplayed within the medical community. For every one of us, there is probably another one (or two or three) out there suffering in silence.

    My MO never opens the subject when I go in for visits, but I always to manage to tell him "still got some neuropathy going on." It does show up in the report of my office visits. I think he doesn't bring it up because there is nothing HE can do, since I'm not after drugs or any PT at this time.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited May 2017

    Right on Eilmar! I speak firmly & insist that lasting neuropathy gets in my record EVERY time even though, as you say, there is nothing he can do. I do the same for lymphadema, which is another SE that most docs tell you will never happen. Some day maybe these docs will remember & speak up about what their patients are telling them.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited May 2017

    Minus and Elimar~ I have been keeping a list of all my symptoms and being very specific about what I can and cannot do.

    For my disability insurance, I may need to have the neuropathy documented. Do you know what kind of tests are involved?

    Penzance: I need to try Arnica and flossing (gliding).

    The "maintenance" (self care) takes a lot of time and focus! BC has taught me this.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited May 2017

    GardenGypsy - I did go to a neurologist when I was still in active treatment. She did some poking & prodding & electrical impulse stuff w/specific instruments, but we didn't go any further because the "hope" was that I would get all my feeling back w/in to years. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

  • Franny124
    Franny124 Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2017

    I got neuropathy. I'm taking gabapentin , it helps a little, couldn't get lyrics, Medicaid wouldn't cover it.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited May 2017

    Franny - sorry you have to join us. When you get a moment, please go to My Profile and add your diagnosis & treatment specs. It does help us to understand each other better.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited May 2017

    Bosum - got it!!

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited May 2017

    I am taking 900 Gabapentin daily. Helping take the edge off, but I could probably take more.

    I think it makes me loopy.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited May 2017

    Bosom,

    According to my onc at DFCI, it is not hard on the liver!

    I think I have been on it for a year now. Others have told me that they feel mentally challenged on the stuff. I think the chemicals and treatments affect us all very differently.


  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited May 2017

    Bosum,

    My STM is so bad that I can barely function some days. I have never heard of a neuropath!

    Have you been to this particular neurologist before? What do you hope they can do for you? Perhaps it won't hurt just to check in?

    My neuropathy has been particularly bad this week. My PT says they they often see symptoms worsen when the seasons change because people are wearing different shoes. I have worn two new pair this week. They are sturdy, but new.

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