April 2017 Chemo

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  • msrobin58
    msrobin58 Member Posts: 134
    edited May 2017

    Thanks for answering me about Biotene versus baking soda with water. I think I'll stick with the Biotene, I don't think I could stomach the other. If it doesn't work, I'll switch later.

  • ParakeetsRule
    ParakeetsRule Member Posts: 571
    edited May 2017

    utjoy, I almost fell off my stool laughing at the tequila comment. Wouldn't that be nice?! Hahaha.

  • Breastlessbeth
    Breastlessbeth Member Posts: 16
    edited May 2017

    the link to the FB group looked lije your personal page. Although I love this site its difficult to follow conversations

  • Momojcbc
    Momojcbc Member Posts: 94
    edited May 2017

    it is my personal page. We have to be friends so I can add you. Since the group is private, you can't see unless you are in the group. So add me as a friend and I can add you to the group. You can then unfriend my if you would like.

    :)

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited May 2017

    had AC#3 Wednesday. Stayed on my anti nausea meds thru today and feel so much better than last 2 doses. No queasiness at all today and slept last night thru 730 am this morning instead of 230 am all helped so much.

    MO said on Wednesday that she believes tumor is 40% smaller after first two rounds. Hope that trend continues and pathology on D&C showed no cancer.


  • Annbee
    Annbee Member Posts: 208
    edited May 2017
    Dodgersgirl- I am happy to hear that number is 3 went better than the first 2. I have AC number 3 tomorrow and dreading it. You gave me hope.
    I am also thrilled to hear that your tumor is shrinking. Awesome news!

    I was able to attend my son's graduation from college yesterday. My chemo treatments were planned around this day. I wore my wig for the first time. That went well. The only thing was that I tire easily. Wednesday my MO said I am anemic. Hopefully that won't effect tomorrow.
    I hope everyone has a no SE day!!
  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited May 2017

    annbee- best of luck tomorrow on #3.

    Sounds like you did marvelous at the college graduation!!!

    Ah yes, fatigue, I seem to do things in spurts with breaks nowadays instead of going all day.

    I haven't ventured out too much in my wig. Thanks for sharing your results. Maybe a trip to the nursery is in the cards for this afternoon. Need to buy a few flowers and tomato plants still and weather looks good, too.

  • Limonia
    Limonia Member Posts: 53
    edited May 2017

    Momojcbc - wondering how your appts are with the drs and howyou're doing?

    Trying to catch on on this and May posts and thinking of all of you,


    Limonia


    PS - re: shingles - I actually asked my doc weeks ago if I should get shingles shot before I start (delay 6 weeks because slow to heal from surgery) and she didn't even blink and said no. Ladies - if you had chicken pox as a child and are near/over 50 years, did your doctor recommend the shingles shot before starting chemo?

  • StaceyB
    StaceyB Member Posts: 32
    edited May 2017

    Limonia - I was not offered the shingles vaccine, and honestly didn't realize it could trigger until reading these boards. I am going to inquire next time I go in.

    Dodgers Girl - so happy you are seeing positive results! Yay!!!

    I can relate to the fatigue! I finally feel better almost 2 weeks after treatment #1 and then this fatigue set in. Boy do I feel plowed, like taking a rest while folding laundry tired. I am usually a very high energy person who doesn't sit much, so this is really annoying....

  • ParakeetsRule
    ParakeetsRule Member Posts: 571
    edited May 2017

    Shingles: My doctor said I would be fine since I'm already taking valtrex. Crossing my fingers she's right because shingles sucks!! You don't have to be near/over 50 to get shingles, two of my siblings got it before then: one in their 40s and one in their late 20s/early 30s, and that's why I asked her about it.

  • Fiore
    Fiore Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2017

    Greetings,

    This is my first post and I'm happy to find some new online friends who are about the same point with treatments as I am. Like others on this thread, I am doing chemo first. Had my first infusion April 20 (Herceptin, Perjeta, Taxotere, Carboplatin). Really difficult time with side effects (hospitalized on Day 5) and my hair started falling out several days ago. Sooner than I expected! So I quickly ordered a wig and other headgear to arrive asap. I'll have infusions all summer with the goal of surgery in September. Taking it one day at a time but really shocked at my lack of energy. I'm used to having a full, busy life so this is QUITE the adjustment.

    I did ice my hands and feet and suck on ice chips for that first infusion and had no tingling or numbness in my hands or feet and no mouth sores. So I plan to to it for next infusion this coming week. I made my own thermal "mittens," used an insulated grocery bag for my feet, wore socks and gloves and kept cool with a combo of blue ice and bags of frozen peas. Seems no one at my cancer center had ever done this which is surprising as it's a prominent center. I also take liquid B vitamins every day. I do artistic work with my hands so would be devastated to end up with neuropathy.

    Look forward to chatting and wish you all well as we go through this together.


  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited May 2017

    Fiore- I worry a bit about neuropathy as well. Taking B6 now during AC and will add B12 and l-glutamate (sp?) before moving on to Taxol in June. There is only one person "icing" at my infusion center which was surprising to me, too.

    I will be doing chemo thru August with a September surgery followed by radiation for 5 1/2 weeks

    I need at take a walk everyday. Your post encourages me to try even if I am tired.

    Do you find the sun brighter to your eyes during chemo? I sure do. I always wear sunglasses now when ou

  • Momojcbc
    Momojcbc Member Posts: 94
    edited May 2017

    Lismonia- I see the dr today and she will tell me more. I also have chemo number 3 today. I am doing good! Of course, I lost my shit at first, but I feel better. I will let you all know what the doc says today.

    Fiore- Welcome! I am hoping the chemo is really working on your tumor and that is why your side effects have been so harsh! Sorry you have to be here.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited May 2017

    momojcbc- best of luck with AC3 today. Also keeping you in prayers for MO visit today. Thought about you all weekend. Hoping for the best possible outcome.



  • DazzlingEagle
    DazzlingEagle Member Posts: 112
    edited May 2017

    I took the anti-viral meds for the Shingles for five days. I was so tired I couldn't even get out of bed, I couldn't eat, I couldn't take care of my dog or my house. My sister actually cleaned the cat's litter box for me. I was actually thinking about cancelling my next chemo because I didn't want to be sick for another week. My thinking got a little wierd. It took me to day five of taking the anti-virals to realize all of what I was going through was side effects of the medicine. Anyway, everything is pretty dried up now. Still a little itchy. I still have the blisters on my foot but they aren't painful and I can walk fine again.

    One of the things my MO told me for mouth washes was hydrogen peroxide. It was so gross the first time but I've been doing it every day and getting used to it. It's not that bad now. He also likes the warm water and salt or warm water with salt and baking soda.

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited May 2017

    DazzlingEagle- so sorry that had to endure those miserable days. Hoping you feel better each day forward.

    Thanks for posting about H2O2. I hadn't read about that option. My MO said to try the water, salt, baking soda, too, so I make a large glass in the morning and rinse with it after eating. Working from home makes is easier to do.

  • Momojcbc
    Momojcbc Member Posts: 94
    edited May 2017

    Just met with the doctor. They are going to try and do a bronchoscope to get a biopsy on the lymph node that is near my airway. She is concerned it is cancer because of the rate of activity but the spot on my lung not so much. She did tell me it would be stage 4 if the biopsy comes back positive for cancer. They are hoping to get this done next week before my next chemo.

    Depending on the results of that we may add another chemo to the taxol when I start that.

  • Limonia
    Limonia Member Posts: 53
    edited May 2017

    Momojcbc - I am thinking of you and good to know that chemo 3 went well, although it sounds like there's a few more steps they want to take to more closely assess. Sounds like you're in good hands and they're on top of things, although I'm sure this is incredibly stressful. I have been so impressed with your posts, encouragement to all of us and energy...these qualities will also see you through this difficult time. and it's a good reminder (as you mentioned) that we will lose our shit at times.... sending you all the best.

    Thanks everyone for your comments about the shingles - I'm going to check with my oncologist again (have upcoming appt with her - not the fellow!) on the week of the 15th - to see state of improvement from my wound/ post op - anticipate starting chemo - FEC-D within the month. Your posts about the ice chips and baths and mouthwashes also very helpful..


    DazzlingEagle - sorry you went through such a hard time, it sounds like they got control of it with the meds and good to know family was there to help. It reminds me that this is going to be a lot of ups and downs through this process, including with our energy, and I'm wondering how it will be for me to 'go with that flow'. I'm only now getting energy back post op, trying to get strong to be ready for chemo.




  • Momojcbc
    Momojcbc Member Posts: 94
    edited May 2017

    thank you Limonia! I try ;

  • BallandCheerMomof4
    BallandCheerMomof4 Member Posts: 2
    edited May 2017

    First post for me here.... glad to have found this place. So finding a lump in my breast 3 weeks before my 40th bday is not really what I had in mind..... but God has a different plan. I will trust in my faith and His plan for me.

    I had my first round of chemo on April 10, 2017 (Taxotere, Carboplatin, Herceptin, & Perjeta.) I had some pretty severe (delayed) reactions to the Taxotere, so for my second round last Monday (May 1, 2017), my MO switched me to Abraxane. I'm curious how many others have been on Abraxane vs Taxotere? So far, thankfully, I have not had the reactions like I did with the Taxotere! However, this second round has really shown me a whole new level of fatigue! I also received Neulasta this time, which I didn't the first time, so that's been rough too.

    Has anyone else had issues with diarrhea around Day 8-9 post infusion? My first time it lasted from days 8-14.... this round it started on day 7 and has continued (I'm on day 9 now.) It even wakes me from my sleep.

    I received IV fluids and steroids on Day 8 both rounds, as I was slightly dehydrated, felt like total garbage, WBC low (obviously), etc. Definitely seems to have helped. I'm considering asking if I can just make that a standing appointment on Day 8 lol.

    Looking forward to chatting with new friends here. I appreciate any advice/ tips always!



  • Momojcbc
    Momojcbc Member Posts: 94
    edited May 2017

    HI Balland- Welcome! I see your ER/PR- so I am not familiar with those chemos personally. The fatigue has been something we all have noticed. I wish I had someone advice for you, i think drinking as much water as you can, helps flush things out faster. Sorry you are having such a hard time.

  • Castigame
    Castigame Member Posts: 752
    edited May 2017

    hi, Balland.

    wish we chatted online under different circunstances.

    About GI trouble, or bleeping diarrehea is side effect of steroids my onco nurse told me "it is constipation or diarrhea there is no third way" I agree timing is different each time I lost 9 pounds after my 1st DD AC I had instances of waking up also. I have more choice words about multiple streroids. I have been somewhat fortunate enough not needing streroids at home. Low dose Ativan takes care of any mild nausea.

    About my best friend neulasta, Claritin which should help neulasta pain has fatigue, headache and blurry vision as side effects. I found it better for me to have 1/2 claritin and the other 1/2 pill in the evening. I also found epsom salt scrub makes neulasta pain less bleeping painful. I use epsom salt fortified w rosemary oil and mint. Here is how I do on day 2, 3 and 4 evening. Make a thick scrub by adding water. Plaster it all over me. Sit on a chair the entire time. Play some nice soft music Wait as long as possible(usually 20 to 40 min) while waiting I soak my feet using any left over scub rinse it out

    I tried epsom salt bath also. It must have been my subconsciousness that I did not want to take any chances w port. I did not like the bath option

    I honestly love neulasta😬. I still have 4 DD Taxol to go w/it every time.


    It sure looks your battle is a lot rougher than mine. Please keep on fighting.


  • Castigame
    Castigame Member Posts: 752
    edited May 2017

    momojobc,

    I agree w you. At the fourth time, I realized trying to eat during first week is just not feasible. So, I drank plain water during any awaking moment. TMI , I knew this bc my bathroom odor discontinued a lot faster this time.

  • Annbee
    Annbee Member Posts: 208
    edited May 2017
    I have had stomach issues at day 8-9 and I am on AC with the first two treatments. Waiting to see if it will happen again. Nothing too bad but definite issues in that area. It seems to clear up in time for the next round. I am on day 3 of my third treatment and SE the same as before..tired and a little queasy. Not too bad.
  • DazzlingEagle
    DazzlingEagle Member Posts: 112
    edited May 2017

    Ballandcheer mom: I am on: Taxotere, Carboplatin, Herceptin, & Perjeta. I wasn't given a choice about the Taxotere but maybe if I had a reaction to it, I would have been switched to something else. I wasn't put on Neulasta. I really don't know anything about Neulasta. Are you able to take immodium around day 7, a day before the diarrhea starts? If immodium doesn't work, there is a stronger prescripion drug but I'm not sure what the name is.

    I had to try three different acid reflux meds before I found Nexium which is working great. It has been great not to have that sick burning esophagus feeling. So you might have to try a couple meds before you find one that will work for your diarrhea. I'm sure you already asked the oncologist nurse or doctor?

  • tonyaberryman
    tonyaberryman Member Posts: 85
    edited May 2017

    DodgersGirl… - I had AC #3 on 5/1 and the SE weren't as bad, BUT my levels were VERY LOW and boy was I weak. I didn't eat a whole lot during that week, but making up for it now, lol. NO mouth sores, YAY..........I sucked on ice during the red devil and it worked!!! Monday, 5/15 is my last AC and then 12 Taxol after that, makes me so happy. Surgery will follow, then radiation for 5 weeks :(

    Hope you are having an easy journey :)

  • DodgersGirl
    DodgersGirl Member Posts: 2,382
    edited May 2017

    tonyaberryman- AC 3 was definitely easier on me than the first 2 cycles. For me, taking the anti-nausea meds 1 day longer greatly improved my weekend. I even ventured out yesterday and shopped at a bunch of stores which I haven't done in a long time.

    I wore my wig out as my patchy bald patchy hair look is not pretty. One of my stops I wrote a check and the clerk asked for an ID. He took my license, looked at me and told me I didn't look my age. Maybe my wig isn't as silly looking as I feel in it!!

    My AC #4 is 5/17 so I am right behind your treatment plan. Then 12 weeks of Taxol, surgery, and then 5 1/2 weeks radiation, then a hys

  • utjoy
    utjoy Member Posts: 56
    edited May 2017

    Hi everyone...sounds like we're all doing 'ok'...various SE's.

    I had my 1st IVIg infusion for Hypogammaglobulinemia on Tuesday, which we're thinking was caused by pesticide poisoning over 26 years ago that also coincided with my recurring shingles which further lowered my immune system that finds me here.

    3rd AC Wednesday...Neulasta injection...I don't feel so great! I think its the steroids...mostly. I can't drink my coffee! lol...I just feel shakey, random body pain, no nausea...Magic Mouthwash got rid of the mouth sores!!!! My ONCO said to swallow it for the esophagus...but be sure to only use it twice a day if I do it.

    Chemo Brain is real. Blurry vision sux! And typing is tough!!!

    Blessings to all!



  • Lizo_biker
    Lizo_biker Member Posts: 10
    edited May 2017

    Greetings all- and Happy Friday!! Hope everyone is doing well, with minimal SEs!!

    I had my 3rd AC on Wed, though I had a bit of a rough night last night- my body decided to switch from constipation mode to severe diarrhea mode; overall I've been blessed with very minimal side effects. I started back to work 2 weeks ago now; I was really stressed about being able to work, as I have a high stress, long hours job as a marketing executive at a software co. in the Silicon Valley; I just wasn't sure if I could handle both chemo and my job. Thankfully, so far, so good-it helps that I have a great team, and everyone's very supportive. My MO has even told me I'm doing better on chemo than most patients. I wanted to pass along two tips that I think have really helped me:

    1. I walk or use my exercise bike a minimum of 30-60 minutes, virtually every day. I'm not a huge exercise junkie, but I also have diabetes, so it's a necessity. I do find that it's helping with fatigue- the few days I don't exercise, i definitely see a difference.

    2. I do guided visualizations (in addition to meditating) everyday- I got some great cancer fighting, optimizing chemo and anti-fatigue visualizations from healthjourneys.com. When I start to feel really lousy, I try to take a break to do a guided visualization; I find it really helps.

    Next week, I want to try acupuncture; I've never done that before, but my MO offers all types of alternative treatments, including acupuncture, massage and energy work, so i'm trying to do each of them through my treatments.

    One other thing i wanted to pass along to anyone who may be getting CT scans: I just got the results of mine; the results showed a 5mm node in the lung, the report said "metastatic can not be ruled out". If you ever get this don't freak out- it's pretty common. It's most likely a granuloma, scar tissue from past pneumonia, asthma or bronchitis (I've had them all!). they'll keep an eye on it, but unless it grows, it's nothing to worry about, whew. Also- my 5cm+ tumor has nearly disappeared, YAY!

  • Fiore
    Fiore Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2017

    Hi everyone, thanks for DogersGirl and others for the welcome messages and also greetings to those who, like me, have joined recently. I think we'll all benefit from the mutual support, suggestions and kind wishes here. One thing that's helped me as a newbie is keeping day-to-day journal that I write in every day Now that I'm starting the second cycle it's helpful to flip back and see where I was and what helped. I have several categories I update in the journal morning and evening: Check-in (basically how I'm feeling and sometimes a place to vent!), Diet, Fluids, Meds, Exercise. I also write down new things that may be good to try each day, like look up a new yoga program on YouTube, listen to relaxing music for an hour (YouTube is a fabulous resource for me - did you know they even have music/meditations to listen to during chemo sessions? I pack my iPad and good headphones when I go - helps to relax and block all the bleeping and general noise).

    About neuropathy: I mentioned in my post that I'd iced my hands and feet for the first infusion session (Perjeta, Herceptin, Carboplaitin and Taxotere) and was so happy that I had no tingling or numbness afterwards. Mentioned this to my onc during visit yesterday and he said those symptoms of neuropathy often won't appear until round 3 or 4. So I wanted you all to know that my feelings of "success" in fending off neuropathy may have been premature. Nevertheless I did ice again yesterday for the full 6 hours. Fingers crossed.

    Dazzling Eagle & BalladCheerMom: Sounds like we are pretty much the same boat with our DX and treatments, though I was OK with the Taxotere. The symptoms that sent me to the ER (at the urging on the onc nurse) were severe chest pain and pressure. Perjeta can have chest tightening as a SE, but this was much more that that. Nothing conclusive found after tons of tests, but at least I won't be freaking out if happens this time around. They gave me a strong prescription for severe acid reflux/heartburn as that could have been a contributing cause of the pain. The prescription they gave me is Pantoprazole, 20 mg.

    Momojcbs: Hope you are doing well and wondering how you ended up coping with the hair loss? I ordered a wig and some pretty hats. I was unsure about wearing a wig but it is actually light and comfortable (and I live in the hot, humid South). I have naturally curly hair (that I love - actually need to use "loved" as it's about gone now!) I couldn't find any wig that looked like my hair but found one that looks that it does when I go to the trouble of straightening the curls. Bonus: the wig won't frizz out in the humidity. To answer your question, my diarrhea started day 6 in my first round, so I'm going to try to stave it off with Lorazepam on the evening of day 5, then twice daily after that till it hopefully stops.

    Best wishes all for a day with more energy - and free of bone pain, tummy troubles and forgetfulness!

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