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Is it legal for a former employer to disclose medical leave when called for a reference? Anyone know?

I was just told that my former employer disclosed that they supported me thru a medical issue. The agency I'm working with then asked if I'm on my husband's insurance....I'm fairly positive none of this is ok. Now I'm concerned about being out of the running. This is very upsetting actually.

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  • MTwoman
    MTwoman Member Posts: 2,704
    edited May 2017

    So some of the information I can find suggests that there may be differences by state.

    http://www.workplacefairness.org/medical-privacy-workplace#10

    this article suggests that it could be done, but shouldn't because if you don't get the job based on that info, you can sue your old company.

    http://work.chron.com/can-past-employer-legally-disclose-contacted-20976.html

    Contacting legal representation is suggested multiple places. So sorry!!

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2017

    thx MT....I'm interviewing tomorrow with this potential employer and I am full of self doubt. This is just one more cog in the wheel of cancer shit. I shouldn't have said it was cancer when asked about the medical issue, but I was caught off guard. I'm really hurt that my former manager gave that info out....actually angry. I mean it was enough that they fired me.

    I guess its a wait and see. Thx

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2017

    http://www.canceradvocacy.org/wp-content/uploads/2...

    I did find this link and it also has some good info. I am just concerned that the agency I'm working with will tell the employer that I have a history of cancer....and that may influence their decision. She did point blank ask me if I would be on my husband's insurance or theirs if I were to be hired.

    Whether this is technically legal or not it just doesn't seem right.


  • MTwoman
    MTwoman Member Posts: 2,704
    edited May 2017

    She CAN'T ask you that! That is none of her business. You should be free to evaluate who you get your insurance through (either husband's ins or your own) based on the benefits they provide ONLY! It is part of the protections that the ACA gave us. And previous diagnoses are NOT legally allowed to be a factor in your coverage or eligibility. THAT I know.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited May 2017

    Wow, that is shocking. I don't know anything about insurance issues, but my gut tells me this is totally wrong, especially asking about your insurance coverage. But try not to let it influence your interview! Successful treatment 4 years ago should be enough time if it does come up to put them at ease that it will no longer impact your performance. Besides, there is no assurance that someone without a medical hx wouldn't have an issue in the future, so maybe not the kind of company you would want to work for anyway if it was to be a deciding factor. It sounds like your past employer and agency went beyond the bounds of what's allowed by law, but don't let it diminish your confidence. Hopefully the company you're interviewing with will take this information in stride if it does reach them.

  • MTwoman
    MTwoman Member Posts: 2,704
    edited May 2017

    it shouldn't "come up". They are NOT allowed to ask you about your health in an interview. At all. Ever. (unless you've filled out something that asks if you are physically able to do the job: i.e. 20% standing, lifting something up to 20 lbs etc. and still not anything beyond those capabilities)

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2017

    So, I had the interview this morning and it went well. Next step is they let my contact at the agency know their decision and then she will let me know. My concern at this point is that she will tell them about the cancer dx and that will sway the decision.

    I will hold out hope this isnt the case. This job would be a game changer for us...its almost 10k higher than what I've made in the past.

    It's just upsetting all the same that I was asked these questions.

  • MTwoman
    MTwoman Member Posts: 2,704
    edited May 2017

    I've got everything crossed for you! I would hope that she would know how wrong divulging that information would be, but just the fact that she asked if you would be on your husband's insurance makes me wonder. Glad the interview went well and hoping you get the job!!

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2017

    thx! It would be so wrong!!! She has worked with the owner of this company for a long time so it makes me wonder too.

    Thx again y'all

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2017

    So...heard back from my contact at the agency. This iscwhat she said:

    Thanks Amy- I had a quick conversation with Jerry and wanted to convey it to you. Nothing negative nothing positive? I will follow up with Randy next week and see where we're at. Have a good weekend, call me Monday.

    I asked her what the "nothing positive nothing negative" comment meant and she hasn't responded. At this point I'm not feeling good about thia oppurtunity at all. I think that is a shitty thing to say about my interview. I just really think she told them and us now trying to get out of offering this job. I have no proof obviously, but that's my gut.


  • MTwoman
    MTwoman Member Posts: 2,704
    edited May 2017

    Oh $%^&! I am so sorry you're going through this. Is there any way you can stay away from this person in the future so she doesn't have a chance to mess things up for you??

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2017

    yes...Im closing the door on this. Thx for listening to my stuff. Not sure what I'm gonna do now.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited May 2017

    There aren't supposed to ask about medical history but prospective employers have creative ways to extract information and chalk it up to concerns about physical limitations on the job.

    I can't imagine divulging your cancer DX. It is concerning that she asked whose insurance you would be using. Cha-Ching. If she is made aware of your DX I'm sure she's thinking mountainous medical bills charged to their insurance plan.

    We all know they would never be stupid enough to say that tipped the scales to another candidate but that's exactly what the reason would be. My brother interviewed with countless companies only to be rejected for the job at the last minute. He has an impressive resume with work experience and a Master's degree but he is in his 50s so too old by their standards. Age discrimination. Good luck proving it.

    Frankly the response from the agency is not only unprofessional it doesn't even make sense.

    Good luck!

    Diane

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2017

    thx Diane for your responsr.

    I have reached out to my former employer's HR dept about this and waiting for a call back. In addition to that I contacted Cancer Legal Resource Center to see if I have any recourse here.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2017

    Hi Tang, sorry this Chit is going on. There was a link I posted on Just Diagnosed-Get prepared that was related to employment questions. Too too late tonight for me to look, but it was a great resource. Try an scan the pages. Hugs sassy

  • Sjacobs146
    Sjacobs146 Member Posts: 770
    edited May 2017

    It is absolutely illegal to consider medical history when hiring. History of cancer is considered a disability. I would hav a lawyer write a mildly threatening letter to your former employer for communicating hat information. If you don't get the job, you could try to sue, but it will be difficult,to prove that the decision was based on your medical history.

  • Penzance
    Penzance Member Posts: 101
    edited May 2017

    I am in the UK and it is a common thing here. My employers refused to let me have treatment and I have forbidden me to ever see a doctor again or have any further tests ( every time I ask for a day off work, I have to tell them what it is for and provide evidence -I use all my holiday allowance each year to deal with accommodation issues as I am renting - my landlord knows I have cancer and is constantly checking I still have a job and amnot deterirating health wise). They also told me that if I tried to get a job elsewhere they would make sure I didn't get it, and that all foreigners like me who have health problems (I am not a British national) should be deported back where they came from. I was not planning on using their rubbish Nhs, I have my owncostly private health insurance which pays for treatment (and end of life care, rather useful when you don't have family and friends who can look after you during your last months, or even a home to die in) in my country of origin. The directors and managers told me they have a policy of not hiring people with cancer or at risk for cancer, and I have been told the same thing by the managers where I worked previously. I needed to book time off for a fibroscopy/coloscopy for digestive issues, and they wanted me to resign to do this as they were afraid it might be cancer... Turned out to be auto immune disease as expected! Ironically these people are all Church of England or Muslim, and convinced they will never get cancer...

    I guess the only solution is to be self employed...


  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited May 2017

    Good grief Penzance that is unbelievable not to mention reprehensible. I can't imagine getting away with that in the US but I'm sure if it is happening here they are covering it up.

    My boss was very understanding about my DX. I did resign before Rads but only because I was only working 3 days a week at night and it became a financial drain versus money earned with taxes, etc.

    Diane

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2017
  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2017

    thx sas....and everyone else. I ended up calling my former employer and spoke with HR. I told them what happened and was told that none of it should have happened. She apologized profusely for it and said it would be addressed.

    I also cut ties with the agency "helping" me find a job, there is no way I could trust her after that. She never bothered to respond to me after that either.

    This whole experience has been very defeating and hurtful. I'm really not sure where I'm supposed to end up at this point. Im journaling, praying, trying to stay positive. Im still looking.

    ((Hugs))

  • MTwoman
    MTwoman Member Posts: 2,704
    edited May 2017

    good for you tang! It shouldn't have happened, and I'm glad your former HR will "address" it. (sigh) it doesn't help with the lovely job you were hoping to get. Am also glad you cut ties with that agency. It was clear they were more focused on keeping a relationship with the employer than helping or representing you. yuck. Another opportunity will come along for you! sending you positive energy for good job hunting ((hugs))

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2017

    Tang, Hugs, this train ride never gets easier. The tunnel seems to have a rock slide blocking the exit. I haven't looked at that link cancerandcareers since I evaluated it at first look, but it was impressive. L&H&P's sassy


  • LisaAlissa
    LisaAlissa Member Posts: 1,092
    edited May 2017

    Hi tangandchris,

    If you're talking to your former HR department again, you might ask if they can supply you with outplacement help, since they torpedoed your own initial job search (with their illegal activity).

    Just an idea...

    LisaAlissa

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2017

    What is outplacement help? Off to Google

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2017

    They're employment companies that give themselves a fancy name.

  • LisaAlissa
    LisaAlissa Member Posts: 1,092
    edited May 2017

    Not exactly. Employment companies are paid by their clients who are looking for new employees. Their goal is to help their clients fill their job vacancies. You as a job seeker are simply the inventory they use to meet their clients' needs.

    Outplacement companies are paid for by your former employer (not by future employer or you) and their goal is to help you in your job search. They don't get paid by a future employer. Generally, you (as a job searcher) can't hire them to help you--they can only be hired by your former (or soon to be former) employer. They'll offer all sorts of job-search help & training for you. Seminars, office space to use as you conduct a job search, training on likely interview questions. And they'll help you debrief from interviews and, if needed, refocus your job search, based on your skills and what you want.

    Your former employer might be willing to offer you outplacement services in the hopes that a new job will keep you from pursuing any sort of claim (against them) that they've foiled your job search with the information they shared with an employment agency and potential employer.

    If you are negotiating with your former employer, try to determine how much outplacement help you would like. It's generally for a set period of time, instead of "until you find a job." --And you'll want to investigate the rep of the outplacement firm

    HTH,

    LisaAlissa


  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited May 2017

    Hi Lisa, nice, I should have said the employer paid as I had to go through it once. Super explanation.

    Tang, you possibly have leverage with your old company to "demand" outplacement services. They messed up right? Talked about your disease?

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