Ribociclib, exemestane, everolimus clinicial trial
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My mother will start on the aromatase inhibitor and everolimus combo soon. She just finished radiation last week.
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Tamera,
I was nervous too, but it really has not been too bad. I was mostly wary of the Afinitor, but it is a very reduced dose with this trial, 2.5mg I believe. I had a slight rash the first month and tender spots on my tongue, but that is about it, besides blood work issues. I think a lot of mine was the emotional aspect of coming off Ibrance, which had been good to me. I have noticed as time has gone by, I feel about the same as I did with both drug combos, which has been a relief, if that makes sense?
Welcome Cure4mom!
Alissa
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Alissa,
Thanks for sharing that...makes me feel less nervous! My Oncologist mentioned yesterday that those who go on trials often live longer likely because they are so well monitored while on the trial. Things get caught that might not have been otherwise due to the additional scans, blood work etc.
Apparently I signed into the trial just a few days before Ribociclib was approved by FDA so because of that I am still eligible for the drugs at no cost....Whew...We'll have to see how it all plays out...
Cure4mom,
Hoping all goes well on your Mom's new treatment....and she has very few side effects!
Tamera
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Hey ladies, just wanted to quickly check in. Had my study appointment today, my last big long one. I checked in and had my blood work and baseline ekg. My blood work once again was too low. So I am taking another break from the Ribo and Affinitor. I will have blood drawn again on Friday and if still low, Monday. If I can't recover by then it will be a dose reduction to 250 ribociclib. My nurse explained that there is nothing wrong with having to reduce, everyone's body metabolized the drug differently. I just got tumor markers back. Twice now, one has gone up, other down. My first set of scans are scheduled for next Thursday. I am feeling a little overwhelmed right now. I am not sure if it's the blood work, upcoming scans or my baby turning 4 tomorrow. Tomorrow will be better. Hugs to all you ladies.
Alissa
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Alissa -
That is a lot to have on your plate. The nurse is dead on about how people metabolize these drugs, so no worries at all about a lower dose. Tumor markers are only useful as a long term trend and the trend has to be pretty strong. One of my tumor markers went up during the first 3 months on a similar regime (ibrance/letrozol), scans showed significant reduction in tumor size over that period. Expecting the same for on your scans this week.
Let's say that today will be better, this very minute will be better. You can't afford to waste a minute stressed out over things you don't control with a 4 year olds birthday in the works. Hand the stress over to the universe and get on with being a mom. That's your job. Worrying about scans and TM's and blood work is not. I say this partly because I know you are in a trial and under excellent supervision.
>Z<
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-Z-,
Perfect response and exactly what I needed today, thank you!!
Alissa
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Congratulations on the birthday! That is the most important part of the news you shared
May the scans go well and show response -- even though it's likely to be too early to show said response.
My counts recovered yesterday and I have started Cycle 2 at a lower dose of palbo (now 100mg). Once more, into the breach!
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Hello Everyone, a quick update. Started the trial and took my first dose on Friday. I am doing well so far, no obvious side effects as of now. Thought I might have to go right off again to get a rod put into my Femur as the bone scan for the study showed the spot there had grown substantially. Instead they have decided on radiation and a cane. Apparently I don't have to go off the protocol for the radiation which is good because my chin has actually started to un- numb! the meds must be doing something good in there!
Alissa, my marker also went up the first 4 months of ibrance/letrozole. My doc said that was normal as the cancer is fighting extra hard against the drugs. Hoping your blood levels are good on Friday! And Z is right...as I saw on someone's profile here recently..."Enjoy Every Sandwich"....we could all go nuts worrying about all the things we can't control! Not much more fun in life than a 4 year olds birthday!
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Here is my handsome baby that is now a full blown 4 year old. I will try and download some of the birthday pics. Thanks for all of the support ladies. My markers went up for the first 3 months with Ibrance, I don't know why I thought this would be different. I think back then, I didn't know to be nervous, to new to all of this!! I hope everyone is having a happy hump day!!
Tamera, so glad you are feeling good, I truly have had an easy time with this drug combo. A few tender spots on my tongue and fatigue(could be 4 kids) and that is it. I think due to the Afinitor being rather low. Keep us updated. Hugs to all you ladies!!
Alissa
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Alissa, What a cutie! He's adorable and love that little twinkle in his eyes! Thanks for sharing.... I feel the fatigue as well but often think it could just be old age setting in...it's hard to gauge sometimes if side effects are life based or drug based! Wishing you good results on Friday....let us know how it all goes....
So has anyone here had radiation on bones during their treatment? If so, I am curious to know how you felt when you had it.
Tamera
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What a cutie. Happy birthday. Remember to put your oxygen mask on first then help the others around you ... well that's only on the plane. When you are stage IV you need take care of yourself to make sure you can take care of your family.
>Z<
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Happy Monday ladies! I just wanted to check in and see how everyone was. I had blood drawn on friday, still too low, and will have it drawn again today. If it is still too low, which I am guessing it is, we will dose reduce to 250 ribo. I celebrated my 13 year wedding anniversary this saturday and went camping with my family, it was a great weekend. I hope everyone else enjoyed their weekend also!!!
Alissa
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Alissa - Happy Monday. 250 ribo should be fine, if that's how the cards fall. My general feeling is they push doses of all these drugs too high.
>Z<
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-Z-
I will be happy if we go to 250, I would like to get the blood work sorted out. It is tiring having to check it every other day. And having 4 kids, every time I am low, I pick up something!!
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Alissa - I go in for my first long check on Friday...now I am really going to be interested to see what my numbers will be. I, like Z, think they always have these doses higher than really needed. So are you having to go in there everyday for this check? Yikes!
I was not happy to learn this week that I am going to have 10 treatments of radiation on my leg. I was expecting 1 maybe 2 but they decided lower doses would be best. Also I will have to go off of the Ribo and the Afinitor for the radiation and for 2 weeks after. Apparently they interact with that. Luckily this does not remove me from the study. Hoping the exemestane will carry me through and I won't have a re numbing of my chin again. With my chin as a measureable barometer I will be interested to see how it does effect it all though!
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Davenport - 10 treatments is a hassle, but low dose is good. Being sick is a lot of work! Take care.
>Z<
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Davenport, - after Ibrance quit working, I stayed on the letrazole from 11-01 until I started this trial in January and it held everything, even tumor markers stayed the exact same. So all of these times I have had to hold ribo and afinitor, it hasn't really worried me. I have been checking blood work at Utah Cancers Centers, closer to home. Friday my neutrophils were 0.5 and yesterday they were 0.8, so coming up, but not in the 7 day period. I have scans at HCI on thursday night and then I will also be seen on friday to go over results and dose reduce to 250. When you see a mom with 4 blonde little angles/terrors there, you will know it is me!! My kids are on spring break this week and the hubby is out of town. My study nurse just said to bring them. Do you have Lizzy?? I just love her!! I hope everyone else is having a great week!!
Alissa
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Alissa - I am sorry I am not in the trial and I cannot witness the mayhem at the cancer center. Sounds awesome!
>Z<
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-z- Angels or terror?? lol It will be an adventure for sure. They are usually pretty good and I will bring some things to keep them occupied. I have an hour between blood work and my appointment that we can go up to the cafeteria. This picture is a year old now, so they are much taller and blonder now!! I hope everyone is having a great week.
Alissa
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My money is on terror! The folks in that cafeteria will remember this day. Have fun. You have cancer so nobody can give you any crap. Gotta take the upside where you can.
>Z<
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Report from the chair awaiting my long day of pharmacokinetics (draw blood every hour after taking a dose). This is day 15 of cycle 2. I still FEEL fine.
This morning they draw blood and the neutrophils are just that much lower than they would allow to do the PKs. The nurses tell me to go walk around, run up and down the stairs, etc. after which they'll draw blood again. So I huffed and puffed my way up and down the stairs for 15 minutes. Broke a sweat -- got the blood moving.
Neutrophils go from 990 to 1400. Platelets rise 30%. Who knew this is how to make your blood counts look good?
They upside is I got a workout in. The downside is I'll be in the building for 12 hours today. Sigh. But this is the last one. Then it's the regular once a month blood draw until progression.
P.S. How are you ladies doing?
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I have started to follow this thread too just for future information. I am glad to hear most of you are doing pretty OK so far on this combo. As Z says, take good care of yourselves or it is all for naught. OMG Alissa, you are very very blessed! What an adorable family! good luck with that full day of appt...Pajim, nice to see you are doing well and I like your new pic!
Davenport, So sorry to hear about a rod surgery. Take good care and i'm glad you can still do the trial anyway. Luckily it is Spring so you can slowly recover in some sunshine.....
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Pajim - What a pain. We appreciate you!
>Z<
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OK I did some reading. It turns out that the white count "rush" with exercise is indeed a rush. It's a well-known phenomenon, but it doesn't last long. If I'd sat down for 20 minutes and then they drew my blood the counts would have been back down, maybe lower than they were before. Depends on how much and how hard you exercise.
So basically I was so close to where I needed to be that the nurses felt it was fine to manipulate the system. :-)
Two hours to go. Technology and my onc do not get along so the paperwork was delayed and it's 13 hours in the building. . . Good thing I have my laptop and a good book.
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Hello all!
Holy cow Pajim! I'm not going to complain about my 8 hour days of testing anymore! Glad you are finished with that portion of the trial! I'll have to keep your exercise tip my back pocket for my next visit maybe!
Happily (or unhappily..I'm not sure I wanted either!) I did not end up having Rod surgery but instead radiation. 5 sessions in one week....just finished on Friday. Apparently the cancer is building bad bone in my Femur instead of eating away at my bone and the bone it has remodeled is very weak so it would have shattered the bone to put a rod in there. I won't know for a month or so, when I have my next set of scans, if it worked or not to stop the cancer growth. I really didn't feel much but understand there is apparently a latent effect to radiation so I might be mighty tired next week. I'm now just on exemestane and have 12 days before I go back on the other 2 drugs. ( they interact with the radiation)
Before I went off I ended up getting horrible mouthsores and a pretty extensive rash on my hands, arms and back of legs. The docs kept giving me more drugs to help with the mouthsores....but nothing really worked. Lydocaine mouth rise that I was supposed to take right before taking the study assigned dexamethasone just ended up being washed away when I took used the dexamethasone. On my last series of tests my white blood cell count was down as well, by the way....AND upon reading up on Low WBC and steroid (dexamethasone) that combo can produce thrush...which I believe I had along with the mouth sores, quite painful. So I did a bunch of salt washes and also alum on the mouth sores...they were gone in two days (just as I was going of the 2 meds that were probably causing the sores) so it might have just been that I went off the meds that helped them go away. I also had large dime sized sores that popped up around my body....kind of felt like giant pimples with no head...when I was on the meds. They would come and last about 2 days and then be gone. Don't know if that is my Lymph system freaking out or what.
It will be interesting to see what happens when I go back on Ribo and Afinitor again. I suspect I will react the same. I hope I can get those side effects under control since I know about them already. Other than Low WBC and those side effects I do know that the treatment was working as the headaches in my skull (lots of skull mets) had subsided somewhat and the numbness in my chin has completely disappeared.
Alissa, what an sweet family you have....Sorry I wasn't there to see them liven up the HCI! My study coordinator is Lizzy as well...she's a sweet girl... Hang in there.....let us know how the reduced dose goes!
Tamera
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Davenport, well ouch! That sounds like quite the ordeal. I had one of those random white-head-type pimple sores.
Now I know what to do if I ever get mouth sores. Still don't have any. My only symptom is headaches. Every night. At first I thought maybe my liver was having trouble with the 1 glass of wine but no. Happens regardless. I take the drugs at dinner so it's possible it's the drugs.
Today I went in for the usual to start cycle three. But no. Neutrophils too low. Come back in two days for more blood work. Meanwhile they have zero idea of how this interacts with the study protocol. That annoys me to no end. I feel like they should at least PRETEND to know what they are doing. . .wonder if one of the symptoms of these drugs is crankiness? Feel like I'm over the top some days.
CT scan results show stable. No change. Guess that's good.
But I discovered something else. When you sign up for a trial, make sure you ask what you have to pay for. Turns out I need to pay a co-pay for each scan (and they happen every 8 weeks). I have good insurance, but what would that mean for someone whose insurance isn't as good? No mention of this in the consent form. . . next time I'm asking.
[To be fair I'd do this anyway. I can afford $25 every 8 weeks. But for women who can't it doesn't seem fair]
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Thanks for the update pajim and davenport. I appreciate the time you take to share your experience. Helps everyone.
so glad that weird numbness and headaches are gone, but the rest sounds like a challenge. you are very tough.
pajim - i get so cranky sometimes. i just don't know where it comes from. i think we're allowed. but there is always a reason, and that study protocol issue is odd.
>Z<
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So I go back on Wednesday and I fail the neutrophil test again. We employ the "run up and down the stairs" trick so [eventually] I pass and get my meds. But of course my onc screws up and doesn't release the meds to the pharmacy, so four hours after I enter the building I'm sitting in a chair crying.
As I'm crying I'm wondering what on earth is wrong with me. Usually I get annoyed at incompetence. All I could think was "I wanna go home!" Of course it's been raining for a week straight.
Anyway I'm feeling better now. I head out for Spain on Sunday for a conference. It's sunny there. I'm packed but you wouldn't believe the bag of meds. Advil, antibiotics, heartburn meds, sleeping pills, one of each cold med, and the cancer drugs. I'm a walking pharmacy. Hope they don't stop me at the border.
[when I travel in the US I don't take nearly as much. If I get into trouble my onc knows someone and could get me meds easily. He has friends in Spain too but it would be a lot harder.]
May cycle 3 work better than cycle 2.
Davenport, I hope you are doing better?
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Hello all,
I, too, can get downright cranky sometimes...I think it comes with the territory. I have asked for my own punching bag for Mothers Day!....some days I have a surprise rage and just want to punch something. It may not be a good thing that I now have a cane! haha!
Pajim hoping cycle 3 goes better than 2 for you! And that your trip to Spain was warm and sunny...
SInce I've been off Ribo and Affinitor my mouthsores, weird bumps and rash have gone away. I started back up again today after 24 days off. Spent the day doing blood tests, and ecgs..... My blood tests were all in the normal ranges as expected since I was off all but the exemestane.
Someone told me to get a good probiotic and use biotene mouthwash this time to prevent the mouth sores. I think I am allergic to the dexamethasone mouthwash so I think I will try this this time around. I'll keep you posted as to if it works or not. FIngers crossed..!
Alissa, how it is going for you at this point?
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Hey ladies, sorry it has taken me awhile to check in, things have been crazy at best. I was officially kicked off the trial last month. My scans were fine, mostly stable, but my ALT/AST had been creeping,then climbing, until they were at the upper part of 3 times the normal limit, which is the cap for the trial. We held Ribo andAffinitot over the weekend and the numbers went into scary areas. So my onc had to kick me off so I could be treated. I tearfully collected my rx for Xeloda, I am a cycle in now. I went back last week and all of my numbers dropped back into the normal range within 2 weeks. The onc told me we can try Ribo again, but not until it is approved for 2nd line treatment, and we can also try Affinitor with something else down the line, but obviously Aromasin didn't like me or my liver. I am sad and scared to blow through all the work I put in those 2 months, but something obviously was wrong for my body with that combo. I will have trial exit scans soon and that will gage the Xeloda too. I wish you ladies the very best of luck!!
Davenport, I had to go off my probiotic for the trial, nothing natural or herbal, so I would double check. I had the mouthsores and did battle with the rash the first month, the 2nd seemed better. Let me know hoe it goes.
Hugs to all, ALissa
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