Axillary nodes positive after sentinal nodes just micromets

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LeesaD
LeesaD Member Posts: 383

First post. Am upset beyond words as my results have been nothing that was expected since the beginning. My radiologist found a 'small' concerning spot on annual sonogram on Jan 24 2017. My mammo was clear. Biopsy on Jan 31 dx on Feb 3 with IDC approx 6-8 mm in right breast. Had bilateral mastectomy with sentinal node biopsy on March 27. Pathology showed my tiny tumor was in fact 3 cm's and not less than a cm as originally thought which shocked my surgeons and me. Sentinal node biopsy showed micromets in 2 of 4 nodes. Met with oncologist and he ordered oncotype which is still pending. Asked him about radiation and he said he wouldn't recommend based on micromets. I asked how do we know there aren't any cells left and he said we don't know but with micromets odds are slim. I called my breast surgeon and said I was uneasy not knowing axillary node status especially since tumor 3 x what was thought and can we go back in to do axillary dissection. He was fine with that to give me 'peace of mind'. Had axillary node dissection this past Monday April 17th. My surgeon and oncologist called me today to say they took out 14 additional nodes and 2 of these 14 are positive. Not even micromets but positive!!!! So I have a 3 cm tumor with 2 sentinal nodes with micromets and 2 axillary nodes that are positive. If one more doctor says to me we are 'surprised' by the results....I am upset and don't trust anything anymore. I keep thinking what if I didn't push for the axillary node dissection?? Has this happened to anyone else? It just doesn't make sense to me how the sentinal nodes had just micromets and the axillary nodes are fully positive. My oncologist doesn't even want to wait for oncotype to come back to start treatment now. I'm meeting with him tmrw. I can't stop crying as I just feel defeated now as every time I've tried to be positive I get another blow. What I thought was small stage 1A turned into a stage 2B with 4 nodes involved.

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  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited April 2017
    Hi Leesa, your shock and frustration are understandable. However, staging is often changed after surgery as more information becomes available. In my case, I went into the operating room as Ia and was upgraded to IIIa after surgery. Your oncologist will likely recommend chemo that should take care of any remaining cancer.
    Best.
  • Tpralph
    Tpralph Member Posts: 487
    edited April 2017

    LeesaD can hear your frustration. My BS keeps telling me 'we wont know any definite until after final pathology" However he too thought my cancer was early stage but then we found a second "mass" in same breast, he told me it was probably benign- it wasn't!  another IDC.  Feels like blow after blow. I'm going for a ct angiogram tomorrow for my upcoming bmx with diep and am afraid they will find mets in liver or something!  It is so good that you advocated for yourself, you shouldn't have to but good you did. I am going to remember this and push my BS if I get micromets in sentinel. Thank you

    Get your chemo and clean out that cancer!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2017

    My almost 3cm tumor did not show on mammogram even though it was palpable, it did show on both sonogram and MRI, and was consistent in size on both imaging modalities. I also had a positive SNB, but it only showed 20 isolated tumor cells (IST). Both my surgeon and MO, even though both are progressive and not at all reactionary, insisted on ALND surgery due to my tumor being Her2+. I had the same experience as you with much larger cancer in the axilla. There was nothing palpable in the axilla on pre-surgical exam, and the pre-surgical MRI missed seeing this even though the cancer was large enough to be imaged. I was destined for chemo anyway, but there is always the possibility that radiation would not have been recommended due to the very small amount of cancer in the SNB and because I was having mastectomy it was not needed for the breast, and that chemo and targeted therapy would have not eradicated the situation in the axilla. Having a clinically node negative SNB and positive cancer further up in the axilla is unusual, but it does happen in a percentage of us - you are not alone. Take heart that the known cancer has been removed and move forward with systemic treatment - I know you are trying to cope with what seems like bad news at each turn, but you can do this - wishing you the best.

  • Emily2008
    Emily2008 Member Posts: 605
    edited April 2017

    So sorry for the progressively upsetting news, Leesa!

    When I found the first lump, my breast surgeon told me (as she was conducting the stereotactic biopsy), "I am 98% sure this is benign." Well, she was 100% wrong.

    Back in 2008 when I was first diagnosed, my medical team told me it was unnecessary to get tested for the BRCA genetic mutation as I had no family history. I was, however, 35, with none of the typical risk factors. So I didn't get tested. However, as I wrapped up chemo, I had this nagging feeling that they were wrong. Yup, 100% wrong again. I am BRCA 2 pos, so I had a prohy mast on the right side and a prophy complete hysterectomy.

    What I learned is that *some* doctors minimize clinical findings. Either the imaging is wrong (as in your case), or they're trying to be as minimally invasive as possible, or they're used to women falling apart in their offices, so they try to mitigate those fears. In the end, as troubling as this has been for you, try to look at it this way: your instincts may have helped save your life! Your medical team works for YOU, so rely on their expertise, but trust your gut. That's not a bad thing because it will help you stay on top of your care and advocate for yourself.

    Many hugs as you keep moving forward.

  • gb2115
    gb2115 Member Posts: 1,894
    edited April 2017

    Sorry you are going through this. I was surprised by the presence of cancer cells in a sentinel node despite having a small tumor. Seamlessly catapulted from stage 1A to 2A. It was just over being a micromet (by like 0.2 mm), but the other two nodes were clear. I do wonder sometimes if there are other cancer cells lurking in the nodes (or somewhere else) that we don't know about since my small tumor with it's moderate grade cells felt compelled to go travelling. But it's a risk either way. I guess they just never know and do the best they can within best practice guidelines, and like another poster said, they try to be minimally invasive. I didn't get chemo because of my Mammaprint results, but did get full on radiation to axillary as well as supraclavicular lymph nodes. I'm not thrilled with how my armpit and shoulder feel after having the radiation, but at least I know the area was zapped. And every time I take my tamoxifen I picture it zapping away anything that might have been left behind.

    Hope your visit with the oncologist goes well. I always feel better after talking with mine!

  • windingshores
    windingshores Member Posts: 704
    edited April 2017

    Leesa I am really sorry you are dealing with progressive bad news, though treatment may very well take care of it. I wonder if an Oncotype would still be helpful.

    I mainly wanted to say how impressed I was reading about your self-advocacy (and with your doctor for agreeing). You may have helped others by posting this. The fact that I admire the way you pushed for this doesn't help you one bit but wanted to say it anyway!

  • LeesaD
    LeesaD Member Posts: 383
    edited April 2017

    Thank You all so much for your responses. I am glad to have found this website. I'm having a tough time and it helps to read others situations. Good thoughts and prayers to all.

  • grainne
    grainne Member Posts: 245
    edited April 2017

    Hi, Leesa. I know you are reeling at the moment and i understand why. I just want to point out that tubular b.c. has generally an excellet prognosis, with or without node involvement. There is a tubular b c thread which you might be interested in. Good luck.

  • Brneyegrl6608
    Brneyegrl6608 Member Posts: 85
    edited April 2017

    I pushed my surgeon for an MRI before we did surgery. He really wanted to do the lumpectomy. MRI showed a second mass 3 cm below the original mass right above the muscle by 3mm. Surgeon said he would have never cut that low so mastectomy scheduled. MRI and PET scan (after that surprise) showed nothing in the nodes and no mets. Surgery done and more suprises. Scattered DCIS throughout the breast along with IDC primary tumor and sentinel node with micromets and axillary node with cancer as well. Now I'm anxiously awaiting for chemo ready to zap any other surprises away.

  • moodyblues
    moodyblues Member Posts: 470
    edited April 2017

    LeesaD.  I am so sorry you are going through this, just know we are all here for you.  I have had several surprises as well, not nice.  This board has really helped me and I feel it will help you as well.  I am a newbie on here but I have found a lot information that has helped me ease fear.  Knowledge=power. 

    Sending you love and light and prayers. 

  • LeesaD
    LeesaD Member Posts: 383
    edited April 2017

    I so appreciate all of the comments and insight. I met with Oncologist and I had chest CAT scan this week and am so nervous about the results as I feel like at every step along the way when I've been positive about something, the results brought me right back down. Having a port put in this week also and chemo probably beginning next week. I'm doing the AC + T...I think that's what it is. Four treatments every other week for the first and then four of the last one every other week. Then hormone treatment (with possible clinical trial that speeds up the hormone effectiveness) and possible radiation. Consulting about a wig tmrw just in case. I feel like if I don't get one I might regret it at some point if I have an occasion to go out.

    My oncologist said he'll see what oncotype results are this week but it's only applicable up to 3 nodes and now that I have 4 even though 2 sentinal are micromets it doesn't matter. So now I'm waiting on CAT scan and praying those results are good. Thank You again. So happy to have found this site. If I didn't find this site I would not have had the knowledge to advocate for the ALND and for that I am so thankful.

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