Had BMX with TEs now MO now concerned about mets....

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9lives70
9lives70 Member Posts: 127

I had my BMX in Feb with TE's placed. I was staged at 2a with clear nodes and margins and no vascular invasion. Everything looked good and the plan is to do my exchange first week in June.

However, in the meantime MO noticed a rising tumor marker ( CA-125 in my blood) and wants to rule out metastisis or another cancer. So far I have done a neck to pelvis CT, transvaginal ultrasound, and abdominal utrasound. They are all clear no sign of mets. Next step in bone scan and CT/PET. This rising number was there 2 months in a row before my mastectomy so not sure why it wasn't checked before surgery!

I am wondering what will happen to the implant exchange plan if they discover mets? Of course I know finishing reconstruction would not be the priority over addressing the health issues but I also want to finish it now that I have started it. No matter how long I'd have to live if found with stage IV I'd want to live with breasts. That's just me. Not to the detriment of my health, but you know what I mean.

I imagine insurance would no longer pay for the rest of the reconstruction if mets were discovered now?


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  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited April 2017

    9lives - so sorry to hear of your rising tumor markers. I find it interesting, too, if they were eleveated prior to surgery, that your MO wasn't more concerned. Maybe he thought it was a fluke at first and wanted to watch them for a while? Regardless, I hope your upcoming tests continue to show benign or no findings, and you can go forward comfortably with your exchange surgery.

    I would imagine surgery would take a back seat to necessary treatment, should you find yourself with a Stage IV dx. I had unilatereral Stage I DIEP flap last summer, and planned Stage 2 for after the holidays. My MO asked me to put it off for a couple of months while we watched two spots on my spine for mets; ultimately mets were found on my ribs. I saw my PS a week after my dx and he is not comfortable doing any surgery at this moment, until I know there isn't chemo or radiation in my near future. Honestly, I'm all good with that; I had surgery a month after completing chemo this summer and ended up with a nasty superbug that put me back in the hospital twice. My body needed more time to heal and be fully prepared for surgery, and apparently it wasn't.

    I hope someone else comes along who's had this experience and can give you more information about an exchange (I didn't have that issue), but it could be something you'd have to put off for a while - but hopefully not indefinitely - depending on necessary treatment.

    Good luck and I'll be thinking good thoughts for you!

  • 9lives70
    9lives70 Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2017

    Thank you Nancy. I really appreciate your input and so sorry for all that you've gone through lately. Will your insurance still cover the rest of your recon later when you are ready now that you are stage IV? How were the spots on your spine originally diagnosed? Were you having pain or were you having some sort of regular scan just as a check up or something and they were discovered?

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited April 2017

    You're so welcome, I'm glad I can help. I'm still learning to navigate this diagnosis so I hope I don't speak out of turn.

    My insurance should cover any further reconstruction I choose to complete at a later date (abdominal scar clean-up, removing fat necroses from my flap, creating a nipple and refining the breast, and cleaning up other scars). I don't believe there's any timeframe within which I'd need to have it done. The lytic lesions on my spine were discovered during the CT used for planning the surgery (mapping my abdominal vascularity). A couple of months later they were gone but the rib lesions appeared. My new MO seems to think the original lesions were resolved by my previously-completed chemo, and the new lesions are just that - new. Ugh. Anyway - no pain or other symptoms until just recently. I have another bone and CT scan next week to look for progression, and we'll determine a treatment plan at that time.

  • 9lives70
    9lives70 Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2017

    Ugh! What a pain. I am so sorry you have to deal with this. One thing I have never understood in this entire process is why it is not standard practice for newly diagnosed BC patients to get a CT/PET, brain MRI at the time of diagnosis. I mean who knows what is really going on without that? Because even if you have clear nodes cancer cells can spread through the blood system too and of course may have already set up shop at the time of diagnosis, something you have no choice but to accidentally discover later? I just don't get it. I wonder how many people out there would really be stage IV at the get go if those scans were used right away?

    I am pleasantly surprised to hear insurance would still cover reconstruction for a stage IV patient. Have you fully confirmed that? Only because they seem to be evil money grubbers at times that don't want to pay for anything ( including my upcoming PET scan--ugh.) I would think they'd deny that. I was also curious to note in your stats that you got chemo even with a small ER/PR+HER2- tumor. Did you have a high oncotype score? Because chemo was not recommended for me with the same stats but larger tumor? My onco score was 15. Makes me nervous to NOT get the chemo but was told by two oncologists that it would do more harm than good for me!

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited April 2017

    My original tumor was 1.3cm with four nodes with ITCs; my Oncotype score came back at 42 which took me off the fence and gave me chemo. Second occurrence was 1cm with no ITCs or positive nodes, but TN. Our challenge right now is determining whether these mets are ER+ or TN (or maybe something else), but ribs are very difficult to biopsy. So, we wait.


    My MO has explained to me over the last several years that scans are not routinely done unless there are symptoms. The reasoning is two-fold: First, quality of life, and second, early dx of mets does not extend overall survival. That seems counterintuitive, I know (find them early and treat them small, maybe survival is increased, but studies show that's not the case. And now you've done more chemo or radiation, which has its own set of issues). Treatment now is not curative but rather palliative. As long as I feel good and am not in any pain, there's no reason for treatment that's going to make me feel bad. Now that I know i have mets, I wish for those moments before when I didn't know, and I had some reasonable worries (and hope). In some ways the knowledge means I no longer wonder when the other shoe will drop - now I am just barefoot.
  • Falconer
    Falconer Member Posts: 1,192
    edited April 2017

    Dear Ladies,

    Been following your conversation, and Nancy, you are so kind to follow up on the discussion. I understand what you mean about the time living without knowing about mets. Interesting point made, and so true. I'm glad to know that you are feeling well physically.

    9lives, I see that you're ER and PR positive. Did your MO discuss hormone therapy with you yet?

  • 9lives70
    9lives70 Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2017

    Hi Falconer,

    Yes the docs are recommending tamoxifen so I am waiting to take it until after my exchange surgery in June ( because of the blood clot risk) Based on my lobular diagnosis I am told tamoxifen is not always effective so I'm a bit on the fence knowing it's possibly not effective and knowing that many people don't metabolize it.....

    Nancy,

    I so appreciate your kind and thoughtful replies and I am too I'm glad to hear you're doing well.

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