AI- more than 10 years

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  • caaclark
    caaclark Member Posts: 936
    edited February 2017

    Hi All-

    Just seeing if there are people who are staying on AIs longer than 10 years.  I sort of thought I would be on them long term but my doc mentioned today that I would be coming off Femara.  I am pretty freaked out by the idea of not taking something.  I trust my doc but I am super nervous about taking nothing.  I took Tamox for a year or two, had a hysterectomy and switched to Femara. 

    Is there any research that says one way or the other?  I'm specifically looking for research that has been done with greater than 10 years on an AI.

  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited February 2017

    I would love the research as well......I did 9 mos. of tamox and like you had a hyst/ooph so I could go on Femara......have not stopped it yet. I just finished year 11 last September. My face is one big wrinkle but other than that I have not had any other issues with the drug.


    Jacqueline

  • Falconer
    Falconer Member Posts: 1,192
    edited February 2017

    not sure if this study applies to you but it was posted on the threads a week or so ago:

    http://www.ascopost.com/issues/december-25-2016/be...

    Good luck as you continue your journey.

  • sugarplum
    sugarplum Member Posts: 318
    edited February 2017

    Hey Carol - I'm right where you are...my onc just refused to renew my Arimidex after 10 years so I'm counting down my last month's supply of pills as if they were diamonds, and am absolutely terrified of flying without a net. I asked if he would switch me to Tamox & he said that wouldn't do me any good either - the latest study suggests that 10 years is the max benefit no matter what you're on. What I want to know is....how come there are so many women on the boards whose doctors allow them to stay on for life? And more importantly, how can I get in touch with them?!

    Best to all - Julie

  • caaclark
    caaclark Member Posts: 936
    edited March 2017

    Julie-my doc sounds like yours. I'm seriously freaking out about it, although I have 6 months to a year left. If she takes me off letrozole she will need to prescribe Xanax or some other anti anxiety drug.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited March 2017

    I admire you gals who stayed on AIs for 10 years. After 3 1/2 years I said enough is enough. My QOL was too compromised. I stopped in 2010, 7 years ago this month!



  • caaclark
    caaclark Member Posts: 936
    edited March 2017

    Karen-Were you highly ER+?  Just wondering because I was and if you went off 7 years ago with high ER+ it might make me feel a little better.

  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited March 2017

    Carol....sometimes I wish there was a "like button" like Facebook........I love your comment about going off an AI and going onto Xanax;) So true;)

  • NotVeryBrave
    NotVeryBrave Member Posts: 1,287
    edited March 2017

    I'm just at the beginning of this horrible journey, really. My MO told me that the recommendation used to be for 5 years, but studies have shown the benefit of 10 years. He also said that by the time I hit the 10 year mark, they will probably be recommending continuing for life.

  • lulu2533
    lulu2533 Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2017

    I was told by my MO that I would be on arimidex with zoladex shots every three months for the rest of my life :(

    I guess the alternative is worse!

  • caaclark
    caaclark Member Posts: 936
    edited April 2017
  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited April 2017

    I have been told today (I am in the UK) that I am now to come off Letrozole following my 5 years done. This is partly because I have osteopenia and that I cannot stay on it any longer. Also, I was told that as yet there is no clear research to date that staying on AI's longer than the 5 years is beneficial; and that some oncologists want their patients on it and some that don't. But the benefits of 5 years + have not been shown as yet.

    I can go on Tamoxifen 'If I want' it's up to me. This is because there is yet enough data to decide whether it's beneficial to go on it following Letrozole. This was said to me today.

    So as from today I can finish Letrozole and not to be on anything at all!!! - So now I am really anxious! - fortunately, I have another month's supply just ordered before the call came in.

    I don't know where I am up to with it all and think I need to ask for a 2nd opinion.

    Any thoughts please ladies.


  • annieb4
    annieb4 Member Posts: 106
    edited April 2017

    I have been on Als for 3 1/2 years and I CANT WAIT to stop. If I make it till the end of the year I will be doing good. There is not a chance in you know where that I am going another 6 years.. The way they make me feel and the side effects are just not worth it for me..I think how long they would like you on them depends alot on how old you are when you are diagnosed.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited April 2017

    Sorry to jump in on a Stage III thread (but will do so, anyway...). The topic's of interest to me as I was originally told probably 10 years on Femara, maybe longer. Now my MO is saying 'let's see what the research shows when we get to the five year mark...' Like most of you, I'd be scared to death to go without any endocrine therapy; I'm skittish even about stepping down to tamoxifen, much less going cold turkey!

    Wintersocks, in your shoes I'd absolutely get a 2nd opinion. I'd also point out that you haven't even done the full 5 years on AI yet, since per your signature, you started in Sept. '12. Thus, I'd at least argue that you should be allowed to take it through September. If you can get them to prescribe tamoxifen after that, it might be a good compromise - it could help your osteopenia and give you some continuing coverage. And maybe by the time you finish that five years there will be another approach to try! Good luck with it.

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited April 2017

    Hopeful

    I thought I would go on to September to as my 5 years but it looks like they have taken the 5 years from the point of dx. February was for me the month of dx and then I just got a phone call saying they wanted to discuss - but I said I would have to hold off as I was going for 2nd stage recon, So now they are chasing me now to get off Letrozole.

    I am really skittish as you say you are about going onto Tamox and as from tonight - no Letrozole??!! - I still have have a month's supply. It went down my neck as usual!

    I think your advice is very sound and I will seek a second opinion, although the wheels of the NHS grind slowly here!

    I wonder what the protocol will be when you get to 5 years - interesting.



  • caaclark
    caaclark Member Posts: 936
    edited April 2017

    I have no side effects to speak of regarding Letrozole-other than survival.   I was so highly ER+ when diagnosed 11 years ago so the thought of going off Letrozole completely freaks me out!  I was on Tamoxifen for a short time prior to Letrozole.  I will be seeing my radiation oncologist in a few weeks so I will run it by him too.  I just feel like I have been doing well so far so why change things???  My medical oncologist took me by surprised when she mentioned that she would be taking me off soon since there is no research saying that more than 10 years is beneficial-but I don't think there have been any long term studies past 5 years so I am really nervous about going off.

    Thanks to all who have commented on this.  I am hoping some others will chime in too!!

  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited April 2017

    Carol, https://www.breastcancerindex.com...this might be a good way for you to prove that you would benefit for longer use. You may get peace of mind of knowing the results and it may prove to your oncologist that you'll benefit from taking it longer.

  • caaclark
    caaclark Member Posts: 936
    edited April 2017

    Thanks, Peace.  That might help me.  I'll take a look.


  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited May 2017

    Wintersocks, that whole 'five years from date of dx' business makes no sense to me. What about women who don't even start taking it until they've had the rx in hand for months? There is some very odd thinking involved in all this! FWIW - I was told from day 1 that I'd be taking it for at least 5 years, probably 10 or more. Date of dx. had nothing to do with it - and I don't think that 'my' cancer really cares about the dx date either ;)

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited April 2017

    wintersocks- I could not tolerate letrozole off the bat and was in utter misery at 5 wks so I stopped and went back on Tamox. I can handle Tamox and will stay on it for the 10 years MO says. I am 95% ER+ and considered high risk even though I had bmx, chemo and rads. AIs IF they work give about 3% added protection v Tamox so it's not a big diff. I'm having lower abdominal discomfort and pcp thinks most likely it's from Tamox irritating/growing my 4 uterine fibroids (2 are 3 cm each). I'll find out first week of may when I do the pelvic u/s. If this is what it is then I will go for hysterectomy. At 52, take it all I don't care. IMO it's better to be on something than nothing and 10 years total seems to be the latest thing to do esp if you are high ER like I am. Hopefully in the meanwhile they will come up with more tolerable meds and for shorter term.

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited April 2017

    Arista and Hopeful

    Thanks for your help with this. I have been totally stressed out by having to make this decision myself, but have calmed down a bit as I still have a month's supply of Letrozole so I am not immediately left with nothing.

    I have made an appointment the week after next to talk to a good GP. I hope she will advise me whether to start or not the Tamoxifen. Really, I would like her to refer me for a second opinion, but as this is the NHS - and treatment is free she may refuse to do that as the NHS is struggling so much at the moment.

    Arista, we have a similar profile and agree that it's better to be on something especially as I am 100% er. However, I was told by both the hospital nurse and a breast cancer helpline that to date there was no evidence to say that being on either Let/Tamox beyond 5 years was proved to be beneficial. Hopeful, I agree that I don't think I have completed the 5 years, but the hospital says I have! - again I will speak with the GP about time scales - beginnings and ends.

    I am leaning towards taking Tamoxifen (even tho I really don't want to!)

    Thank you ladies

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited April 2017

    Could it be that it's the NHS and not so much studies? I suppose some of it depends on age too, but can't imagine there's not enough evidence for MOs in the US who rx beyond 5 years of hormone therapy. My MO called me high risk and said stick with something is better chance for preventing recurrence. Of course no guarantees and no way to tell if it works or not. Best wishes in getting answers hopefully to your satisfaction.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited April 2017

    Wintersocks, that must be so frustrating. I'm glad you have that one last month's supply of letrozole at least. From what I've been reading, the building consensus (for the moment at least) seems to be that there's not that much benefit in remaining on AIs past five years EXCEPT in higher risk cases. Looking at your stats, I'd say you qualify. It's a pity the NHS doesn't consult me, isn't it? ;)

    In your shoes, I think I'd be doing pretty much what you're doing. That doesn't mean you have to be happy about it - I wouldn't be! I do hope it works out o.k. for you though.

  • IAmElaine
    IAmElaine Member Posts: 87
    edited April 2017

    I just saw my onc last week for my now yearly check up. Everything is going well. I am now in year 14 and my onc wants me to remain on Femara indefinitely. I get a DEXA scan once a year to check on my bone health and I told him I will keep taking the Femara as long as my bones hold up. So far, so good. My onc told me new studies are showing added benefit for those of us with a really sucky diagnosis when we stay on the AI's past 10 years.

  • SSInUK
    SSInUK Member Posts: 245
    edited April 2017

    Wintersocks I am also in the UK and you can definitely ask for a second opinion.  But ask for someone in particular, not just the next hospital along, or your GP's choosing.  You are allowed, even on the NHS.  Alternatively, for three hundred pounds you could go to someone privately and be absolutely sure you can pick who you want to see.  It's a lot of money of your pocket - but for peace of mind about your life, I'd say worth it.  I am with a very good onc and hospital who at the forefront of pushing for best treatments. I'll pass details if you want to pm me.  We do bump up against what the NHS will give us but there can be work arounds. Its not just price its NICE protocols - but I agree with the other ladies on this forum that you look like the rest of us, a high risk case to whom different criteria apply.     

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited April 2017

    SSInuk

    That would be really useful if you could pass the details onto me as I thought to have someone in mind when I see the GP next week. If they are in London I used to live there many years ago, so I know it well (ish).

    I will pm you.

  • Lucca06
    Lucca06 Member Posts: 69
    edited April 2017

    Wintersocks, I am also in the UK.  When I got signed off by the oncologist last year on my 5 year mark she said I would be on an Al for at least 10 years possibly more and the GP has just gone along with it.

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited April 2017

    I'm surprised the MO discharges you from the practice while taking AI or Tamox. Wow. My pcp doesn't know as much so any questions I have or concerns I'm told to bring it up with my MO. Makes sense. She's rx'ing it to me, and for years.

  • DancingElizabeth
    DancingElizabeth Member Posts: 415
    edited April 2017

    Arimidex for me - began 11/16 and to be on it for 10 years. Chemo put me in menopause and Arimidex is keeping me there...

    Have hot flashes all day long but, I'm happy to stay on it...forever if needed

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited May 2017

    Hi All,

    Little update here. My GP is requesting a second opinion on my continuing to take Letrozole beyond 5 years. She thought it a perfectly reasonable that I should ask for this. So I am waiting for that now.

    I was surprised to get a text from the chemist today advising me my prescription was ready for collection as I was not waiting - aa far as I recall for anything. Anyway, when I asked it was a rx for a further supply of Letrozole! So my GP seems to be pi happy to continue prescribing it.

    I am not sure whether it really is a good thing or not! - but will wait for this second opinion to decide or them to decide for me.

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