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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2017

    Usually there are two different approaches to reconstruction if radiation is involved. If you have surgery and expanders placed immediately you can fill aggressively, sometimes slightly overfill to account for some rads shrinkage, then do radiation with the expanders either still filled to max or deflated and refilled after rads, then exchange takes place after some healing time. Usually a longer wait for exchange to allow for a better look at how the skin will behave. Herceptin is continuing during this time period as surgery is not necessarily contraindicated unless blood counts continue t be affected by Herceptin, as can happen with some patients.. The other approach is to have MX or BMX surgery, do the rads, wait a longer period of time - usually a six month minimum before beginning the recon process with expanders. Some PS will fat graft after rads and before starting TE to help the skin regain some stretch and integrity - this is a fairly new approach but is definitely helping some women do recon without the need for a lat flap surgery in addition. Some PS will try expanders after a period of healing and recovery, slow steady fills, then wait a longer period of time between last fill and exchange, all while still receiving Herceptin.

  • kae_md99
    kae_md99 Member Posts: 621
    edited March 2017

    my PS said he can do an immediate recon on me after BMX as long as he sees a good post BMX surgical sight, meaning he wont foresee an infection setting in later on or else he will remove the implant if infection sets in. so on surgery day, he will both have the TE and implants ready in tthe OR and i may wake up either with TE's or with a reconstructed breast i prefer as i will only have one surgery ( well, he might do fat grafting ). but i will have to ask him what if radiation will be advised or a node will be affected? i dont think you can do radiation on a completely reconstructed breast, right? so maybe TE's will be a better approach. my BS and MO thinks my nodes are clear based on MRI and 2 ultrasound in the beginning and prior to TCHP and i am responding to neoadjuvant TCHP but i know that pathology will always have the final say. whew.maybe TE's will be a safer route....( and i am horrified to have te's to be honest).

  • coachvicky
    coachvicky Member Posts: 1,057
    edited April 2017

    Jumpship

    Go to this topic:

    Topic: Bras 101: The Great Post-Exchange Debate

    It should answer all your bra qurstions.

    As for night time, I still sleep in a sports bra or surgicalvest. My PS recommended it to avoid the "side slide."

    Coach Vicky

  • Kattis894
    Kattis894 Member Posts: 218
    edited March 2017

    Thank you all for your congratulations. It does feel pretty good but think I am still in chock. It is going to take some time to get back to some kind of "normal" feeling but aware this ordeal has changed my life in many ways regardless.

    I decided to say no to immediate reconstructions and therefore expanders. I spoke with a professor of breast cancer since my clinic was for the expanders and I was confused when I first layed eyes on that plastic piece and immediately thought "that is going to give me problems", it was just a gut feeling. I did continue with 25 times of radiation. After discussing it with the professor I was certain to wait with reconstruction and push for surgery on my healthy side to make that breast smaller. My breasts were large. According to my clinic you have to wait for 2 years before any reconstruction can be made on the MX side but I am now booked (after radiation and no evidence of cancer) to operate on the healthy side during the herceptin injections every 3 weeks. I just could not come to terms with having a "hard" silicon breast that would make me sleep on my back etc., but this is just me. I am a bit older and do not feel the flat side bothers me much. The healing was also quicker. I do hear you because I was as confused as you regarding my options and found the decision to be difficult in the midst of all the treatments. I think there is a board on here just for this subject if you like to inform you more about this.

  • kae_md99
    kae_md99 Member Posts: 621
    edited March 2017

    ladies, i forgot to ask my PS when i had an initial consult with him.do we always need to use bra after reconstruction???? i am not wearing a bra anymore due to reflux/gastric emptying issues so i just wear camisoles with built in bra as these are less constricting than a regular bra...sorry if this has been discussed before.

  • Tunegrrl
    Tunegrrl Member Posts: 196
    edited March 2017

    YAY KATTIS!! I am so happy for you. Reading your message gave me tingles and misty eyes. You have been through so much. I am so happy you have broken through the dark cancer forest into a clear open space. Revel in it!

  • meg2016
    meg2016 Member Posts: 287
    edited March 2017

    Suburbs- It depends on your Plastic Surgeon. In my case, I had expanders placed with my MX (which was after chemo.) I already knew Then they very quickly filled them- this was over about four weeks. I had to do a lot of PT during this time to get where I could get into position for radiation during all the surgery recovery and rapid fills. Then they deflated one side to do radiation. After radiation they refilled that side again, I think it was over two fills. Then I have to wait six months from the end of radiation to do the exchange (at least). My right side (radiation side) is larger than my left, since radiation tightens and shrinks everything. And she actually just put a bit more in each side when I saw her at the 3 month post-radiation appointment. I won't have the exchange for a couple more months.

    Jumpship- Good question, you might want to ask it on the TE or Exchange thread. I've been searching for the same. The best option I've found is sleeping in a light-support sports bra. I still have my expanders in and it really hurts when they shift to the sides at night.

  • ashla
    ashla Member Posts: 1,581
    edited April 2017

    Been a while since I stopped by to say hello and wish you well on your way!image

  • PoseyGirl
    PoseyGirl Member Posts: 359
    edited April 2017

    Hi Ladies, I have a question regarding side effects and wonder if any of you have had these...I'm not sure if it would be the Tamoxifen I'm on or the Herceptin...One is that for a long time I've had a stuffy nose that really mostly acts up at night. Stuffy and presence of excess mucous (more crusty than loose and running). The mucous is partly bloody too. I'm not sure if it's the dry air or related to treatment.

    The second one is more recent and relates to a tender scalp at the root of my hair. So, if I run my fingers through my hair, I feel the sensitivity. There isn't a lot of pain at all, but I do notice it and can't figure it out as it just started up within the last two weeks. Anybody else recognize this? I'm done all treatments except for the two therapies mentioned above.

    Thanks for any insights you have,

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited April 2017

    Hi Ashla!

    Good to see you again.

    PoseyGirl, in my experience, it's the Herceptin that produces the bloody, crusty snot. I got the same thing, and I wasn't on Tamoxifen (am doing Zoladex/Aromasin). Can't speak to the tingly scalp, though.

  • Robin1234
    Robin1234 Member Posts: 45
    edited April 2017

    Hi PoseyGirl I'm on herceptin and yes I get stuffy a nose at night too with some blood in it. I get headaches, sinus pressure, runnung nose and tiredness also but I thought it could be from the pollen.

  • shelabela
    shelabela Member Posts: 584
    edited April 2017

    Poseygirl,

    I have the same stuffy runny nose from the Herceptin. I don't have any hair so can't help you there

  • Suburbs
    Suburbs Member Posts: 429
    edited April 2017

    I have had a bloody nose on and off since starting TCHP. The past week the eye tick in one eye spread to the other. It's very very annoying and frightening as my mind goes to the worst case scenario. : (

    On the tender scalp subject, yes, I have experienced the same thing. My hair was cut off weeks ago. I have spots where I am completely bald, spots where tiny bits of hair has grown back, and spots that are sensitive

    Started reiki/massage therapy this week in an effort to try anything to feel better and get healthy for surgery. I had tried it during my healthy life but it was different as I really used to concentrate my minds eye on healing (like pushing your edges in a yoga pose) and it was exhausting. I would hear sounds in my ears during a therapy session like the sound you hear when you put a shell next to your ear. I always felt as if I received a benefit from reiki if my mind was completely involved. Right now I am so depleted, I simply relaxed on the tabled and tried to rest. It seemed different being in a compromised state as I could not participate. Will have to see how it goes. This is probably not the right place to discuss. I was wondering if anyone else has gone this route.



  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2017

    suburbs - be careful about the amount of pressure your massage therapist is using. If your platelets are low you may experience bruising. Are you using a massage therapist who is experienced with cancer patients?

    For all with bloody noses - I put Aquaphor on a q-tip and put it inside each nostril then pinched my nose to distribute it - helped keep my nose moisturized. Usually the runny nose continues on Herceptin only but isn't as bloody once chemo is done.

    The eye twitching is definitely a Taxotere thing - it will go away when you stop getting T, but may last a month or so after. It made me feel crazy when my eyes would twitch at different speeds or tempo


  • meg2016
    meg2016 Member Posts: 287
    edited April 2017

    PoseyGirl- I get cold-like symptoms from Herceptin. I also have the scalp thing from time to time- will last a couple days then improve. I just finished my last herceptin so I'm curious if it will go away.

  • Tresjoli2
    Tresjoli2 Member Posts: 868
    edited April 2017

    just want to second d the aquaphor in the nose. Worked awesome while on herceptin...

  • Suburbs
    Suburbs Member Posts: 429
    edited April 2017

    Thanks SpecialK. The therapist is certified in oncological massage among other modalities. There was no pressure applied as the session was all reiki and no massage. It was more like healing hands energy work. I'm laughing at myself as that takes a great leap of faith. I will make sure to discuss the bruising issue next time.

    Good to know that I am not alone with the crazy, random and every changing eye twitches.


  • PoseyGirl
    PoseyGirl Member Posts: 359
    edited April 2017

    Hi All,

    Thanks for the messages about stuffy/bloody nose. My nose does run a bit, but it's more stuffy and filled with the stuff (partly bloody).

    Re: Reiki, I actually just signed up to start Reiki. I haven't done it much at all ever, but last time I went, it was really good. I actually fell asleep on the table which is very odd for me. I could feel the warmth/heat from her hands, and I saw colours centred in my vision with my eyes closed at this one point. So I am adding it to the roster of things I'm doing...

    I just had my salpingo oophorectomy last week and will switch from Tamoxifen to an AI after I have a bone density test (which I hope is ok). Any advice on the AI you've found to have the least side effects? I know it's an individual thing, but I thought I'd throw that out there anyhow.


  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited April 2017

    PoseyGirl,

    I started on Aromasin and I'm still on Aromasin. Aromasin made me moody and gives me hot flashes. To cope with the moodiness, MO prescribed Celexa. I have never been a fan of SSRIs, but hormonal changes have always negatively impacted my moods. I struggled with depression during PMS and pregnancy. I figured that there was no reason to suffer from depression for ten years, so I opted for the Celexa. It's worked well. As for the hot flashes, they occur mostly after 5:00 pm. Let's just say that I sleep with the ceiling fan on.

    I do not have the severe joint pain others have endured. I can still walk, run, scooter, and swim without joint pain. But, I'm not going to win any races anytime soon. Best wishes! Hope you find an AI that has few SEs for you.

  • meg2016
    meg2016 Member Posts: 287
    edited April 2017

    I found myself super sensitive to caffeine during and ever since chemo. I gave up coffee and my eye twitching went away. After chemo, I tried to go back to it and the eye twitches started again. I have gone back to tea and they stopped. So if you consume caffeine, try cutting back and see if the eye twitches get better.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2017

    posey - my MO favors Femara so that is what I started with, and the pharmacist recommended that if I try one generic brand and have too many side effects to switch brands until I find one that causes me the least side effects. Often it is the fillers and additives that cause issues - my advice would be that whichever AI you try Arimidex (anastrazole), Femara (letrozole, or Aromasin (exemestane) - try to find the generic with the fewest additional ingredients. I am taking Roxane generic letrozole and it has fewer additives than the name brand Femara from Novartis, however, Roxane just merged with another pharmaceutical company so whether or not they continue to make it is a question. It is getting a bit difficult to obtain - my local pharmacy can't get it but the mail order one can.

  • Suburbs
    Suburbs Member Posts: 429
    edited April 2017

    PoseyGirl, on the subject of reiki, I figure it can't hurt. I'm going to try a pre-infusion session to ward off the evil side effect demons. Also, a heads up on adding your DX. I've received targeted information from participants here as they see my DX and share relevant information. You might want too add your DX info as it helps others to help you.

    Meg2016, thanks for the advice about caffeine. I will try to cut back and see if that helps with the eye twitches.

  • PoseyGirl
    PoseyGirl Member Posts: 359
    edited April 2017

    OK, just figured out to add the DX...I had filled everything in, but didn't see how to add it. Thanks for the heads up!

    Thanks for all the input on AI's and other, ladies. I meet with my onc. tomorrow and will ask. I am thinking I'd like to stick with brand name product for now (try it); my oncologist said it's more expensive, but generally speaking it will mean fewer side effects (other than the research you've done, SpecialK).

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2017

    posey - your insurance may not cover brand name Femara without proof that you are allergic, or have deleterious reactions, to the generic versions. A 30 day supply of brand name Femara from Novartis is about $800, so check with your pharmacy - they will know if your insurance covers brand names rather than mandatory generics. I have excellent insurance - no deductible, no co-insurance, co-pay only for doctors and surgery and they will not cover brand name Femara.

  • kae_md99
    kae_md99 Member Posts: 621
    edited April 2017

    am on 3rd TCHP and the reflux is bad that it is hard to eat. i am going to the infusion center today to get some blood work and hydration.next week, i will meet with my MO and she mentioned reducing the dose of taxotere who she thinks is causing my reflux.i am also going to have an endoscopy...is reducing a dose of a certain chemo drug the norm when it has a lot of side effects.my tumor cannot be felt anymore..honestly i dont know if i still can endure the excruciating pain of the reflux plus i cannot eat my caloric requirements because of it.hopefully, it the taxotere gets reduced, it will still be effective and side effects will be minimal particularly the reflux

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2017

    kae - does your oncologist have you on any type of proton pump inhibitor to reduce the amount of stomach acid? I received Pepcid as a pre-med in my IV, and did not have too much issue with reflux, but I had reflux surgery more than 10 years prior to being diagnosed with breast cancer. I have seen a number of people prescribed Protonix (pantoprazole) to help with the reflux problem - it is a common thing during chemo. Dose reduction is also common, you don't want to reach the tipping point where chemo drugs do more harm than good, or cause permanent damage going forward. Hope you can find a solution.

  • PoseyGirl
    PoseyGirl Member Posts: 359
    edited April 2017

    Hi SpecialK, I'm Canadian and so we are covered by OHIP as well as another government program for medications that are mandatory for breast cancer treatment. There is some cost to me, but I don't believe the brand names (from what I recall from my last meeting) are stunningly expensive. But I could be wrong. I will find out today for sure! My husband and I don't have private insurance. Thanks so much.


  • PoseyGirl
    PoseyGirl Member Posts: 359
    edited April 2017

    Oh, sorry, another question re: possible SE's...I have always had this pulsatile tinnitus in my left ear (since my son was born 10 years ago)...it's like feeling my heart pounding in my ear. I've noticed that has ramped up and am not sure if it's related to hormone changes or age or if related to treatments. And while I once in awhile get that very high pitched tone of tinnitus in my ear, I notice that happens more frequently too - it goes for about 10 - 20 seconds and then fades.

    Anyone else with this? I know it could be completely unrelated, but you never know.


  • kae_md99
    kae_md99 Member Posts: 621
    edited April 2017

    special K,yes i have all the anti reflux meds, omeprazole,pepcid, reglan for gastric emptying ( as i also have delayed gastric emptying which complicates matters).i have sucralfate to coat my esophagus and stomach plus i have GI cocktal ( mixture of viscous lidocaine and mylanta for when the pain is unbearable).so i actually have everything. even my GI doctor said, he wiil not add anything to my regimen.my gastro specialist will scope me next week. honestly at this point i dont think i can tolerate a full dose of taxotere anymore..i will probably asked my Mo what she thinks of reducing the dose9 she did mention it).my breast lump is gone and i want to achieve pCR but i think it has come to a point that full doe of taxotere is taking a toll on me..

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2017

    kae - glad your GI is involved, having those complication prior to chemo can be difficult to manage. Sounds like a dose reduction might be workable and helpful.

    posey - carboplatin caused tinnitus for me from the very first infusion, and it has worsened over time. I have read of others on BCO who have not had chemo, but have taken anti-hormonals and had ear ringing problems. It is hard to say if it is the drugs, or would have happened anyway. Interestingly, my DH had wicked tinnitus caused by many years of flying military aircraft - he has had this for probably 20 years. He started taking apple cider vinegar (2 T in water with some low-sodium juice added to disguise the taste) daily about 2-3 months ago and swears that his tinnitus is substantially better - crazy, right? I may have to try it.

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