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  • Elem
    Elem Member Posts: 327
    edited March 2017

    Not sure Pamela23 but I am not sure what dosage of radiation I received either. What I do know is that my skin is very burned from my tx. I am dark skinned and didn't think I would end up with such blackened skin. They talked about it starting to look pink after the 3rd week , so I did not expect this much discoloration and peeling . Those little black dots are starting to fade away though. It was also my breast surgeon who initially mentioned having to take tamoxifen although it was protocol talk , he would not be prescribing it or following up with me during that tx. Then after my appointment with the MO before rads was completed , we touched upon the subject of hormone therapy . Initially for me , we discussed Aromatase inhibitors, but after tests for bone density and my heart , the MO thought it best I use the tamoxifen if I decided to do it. He showed me the protocols on the computer from national guidelines. For people like us with tumors under 2cm it was to be considered , as was rads . I was already finishing up rads at this point. I believe I based that decision doing the rads on the 15% recurrence rate the RO mentioned. I really had a headspin going during the whirlwind of the early dx .days. It was overwhelming! But I felt like I should try to lower recurrence to the lowest percentage possible , which in my case , with rads and hormones , was about 3%. Based on no lymph involvement, size and genetics . But it is still scary and confusing to me.I am not sure if grade of tumor changes anything . I believe I was grade 2. I just hope we are all doing the right thing and never have to revisit this again . 🌺🌸💗


  • makeiki3
    makeiki3 Member Posts: 23
    edited March 2017

    Hi All! I've been reading/following this thread for awhile and decided to throw this out to everyone. I'm exactly 11 weeks EOC and am continuing with HP, as opposed to TCHP. I have done 10 of 28 radiation sessions so far. My skin looks good so far. I have developed an allergic reaction to aloe vera so we shall see what happens if/when my skin actually gets to that burnt place. Wondering if anyone has had this problem? Another problem I've been experiencing is a serious loss of smell and taste! I had the metallic taste after my TCHP for about 10 days each time, but nothing like this where I seriously cannot taste anything or smell anything. A nurse I asked about this said that it was probably due to chemo....but I seriously doubt I'd be developing these issues now. I'm just hoping that my senses return to me after all is said and done. When we are sick, down and out, fatigued beyond belief, is it too much to ask that we can at least enjoy food?!?! LOL!!! I find it hilarious actually and just trying to keep a sense of humor about it all. My hair is coming in which is great....but it's coming in in all different directions, like cow licks! Every day is a new day, a new challenge, a day closer to being done with this all. Thank you all for your stories and sharing of your experiences!!!

    PEACE!

  • CeliaC
    CeliaC Member Posts: 1,320
    edited March 2017

    Elem and Pamela - I also do not understand the radiation dosage or # treatments, or why some have difficult skin experiences vs not. Last of 20 Rads was today. Very fair skinned, but have no burn & only a very slight pink/irritation. Go figure! Did use Miaderm cream 4x a day & also prescribed Lidocaine 2% and Mometasone Furoate (articles indicate this is really good for preventing irritation). Miaderm not cheap at $36 or so per tube, but felt any $ spent to avoid being crispy was worth it. Like everything else with C, sometimes there is no rhyme or reason. For those who are having skin issues - ask your RO or Rad Nurse what they can give you to help. Hugs and best wishes to all.

  • annoyingboob
    annoyingboob Member Posts: 558
    edited March 2017

    congrats celia c!! pow pow pow - take that cancer!! remember, continue to take it easy, as you may be more tired and pink next week than you are this week. happy healing!!

  • Elem
    Elem Member Posts: 327
    edited March 2017

    Yay Celiac

    So happy for you . Major milestone!image

  • Elem
    Elem Member Posts: 327
    edited March 2017

    Yes Annoyingboob,

    The fatigue is hitting me like a ton of bricks everyday around. 2-3pm . My eyes just drop and I feel like I am drained. The goid news is , my skin is doing better . Still have rogue pain in and around incisions and nipple, but using pure aloe from my plants has eliminated the peeling, itching and burning. Using an ointment and some pure coconut oil at night on a non stick pad for the nipple... ahhhh relief! The fatigue was present last week after finishing rads , and only slightly the last week of it, but it seems more pronounced this week .I also started the tamoxifen 20mg. on Monday . Godd luck to everyone finishing up. One step closer to leaving cancer behind!

  • annoyingboob
    annoyingboob Member Posts: 558
    edited March 2017

    im feeling a bit more energetic this week, so heres hoping you bounce back too. but give in to those naps and just let your body heal - its been a rough few months for all of us with lots of poking and prodding. my body just needed stillness and quiet and lots of sleep. had a super busy weekend, but im back to stillness and gentleness. we all need a little extra tlc!!!

  • Mamasha
    Mamasha Member Posts: 104
    edited March 2017

    Congrats Celia!!!!you are DONE !!!

  • Pamela23
    Pamela23 Member Posts: 510
    edited March 2017

    I wanted to be proactive and knowing how tamoxifen is just a few weeks way, I decided to go to the GYN to get checked out. I also asked if I could have a baseline US of my uterine lining so I can tell if the drug has a negative effect as it notoriously does on many women. I just got back from the GYN. They found a polyp in my lining. She's not concerned with it being cancerous but say tamoxifen can cause it to grow so want to have it removed after I'm done with radiation and she'll do a uterine biopsy while she's "up there" to make sure everything looks good before tamoxifen. She said she wishes doctors would request an US of the uterus before starting this drug because the drug will thicken the lining and cause polyps and cysts to form and if they had a baseline, they would have more info on the changes. Just FYI when you are at that point in treatment.

  • misslil
    misslil Member Posts: 260
    edited March 2017

    It's hard imo to be sure of causality but a year or two after finishing my 5 years on tamoxifen, I did have a fairly advanced precancer found in the endrometrial lining after years of my gyn monitoring when it seemed to be thickening or 'fluffy' or otherwise questionable-looking. Wound up with a full hysterectomy of most everything down there.

    Not sure if I was one of the cases for which this is an uncommon but known side effect of tamoxifen, or it was just my coincidental bad luck. I was happy either way that she was monitoring closely.

  • CeliaC
    CeliaC Member Posts: 1,320
    edited March 2017

    Elem - glad you found some relief for your skin.

    Feeling some fatigue, but doing ok with only working 8 hours. Appetite loss is pretty bad - having to force myself to eat (or, rather Husband forces me to eat.) One more work day and then will be babying myself on the weekend. Hope we all get the chance to recuperate and rest up!

  • Oasis2016
    Oasis2016 Member Posts: 52
    edited March 2017

    Thanks ladies for all the suggestions for my growing anxiety. Had #20/25. 5 more to go!

    The nice therapists put on an eye bag for me. It is infused with lavender and the smell does calm me down. And the ear plugs worked too!

    I took lorazapam for 4 days and decided to skip today. Ear plugs still works!

    Now my breast is turning red, especially on the side, it is a little painful to touch. Have been lathering miaderm, QV cream, coconut oil with lavender essential oil, and aquaphor.

  • annoyingboob
    annoyingboob Member Posts: 558
    edited March 2017

    homestretch oasis - you can do this!!! Focus on your breathing, continue lubing up, stay hydrated, and get plenty of rest!! You got this!!

    Xxoo


  • Oasis2016
    Oasis2016 Member Posts: 52
    edited March 2017

    ouch. Im getting sun burnt pain and headaches. Applied ice pack on the side and under the arm.

  • CeliaC
    CeliaC Member Posts: 1,320
    edited March 2017

    Oasis - You are almost there! Sounds you like you are doing all you can for your skin. Hugs & Wishing you relief - baby yourself this weekend.


  • Pamela23
    Pamela23 Member Posts: 510
    edited March 2017

    Misslil--am I reading correctly that you had BC before and had a mastectomy in the same breast you have it in now? I am so sorry you are going through this again.

  • misslil
    misslil Member Posts: 260
    edited March 2017

    Pamela, yes, that's the case. I had mastectomy for DCIS followed by radiation in 2008, and last summer was found to have a new invasive area on the same side under the scar tissue from the mastectomy. Rare, but can happen it seems.

    I had a 'lumpectomy' last month for the new issue following 4 mos of TCHP chemo for HER+ disease. It seems weird to call it that though, when I already had the mastectomy on that side. It may need a new name lol - mastectolumpectomy? lumpectomastectomy?

    I start radiation tomorrow if things go to plan. It was debatable whether to do it again since re-radiation of the same area is uncommon. But most opinions leaned in favor and I'd like to feeling I am doing everything I reasonably can to avoid something coming back or sprouting up again in future.

  • Pamela23
    Pamela23 Member Posts: 510
    edited March 2017

    Misslil-So this is a new kind--the first was her2- and this one is her2+ and so close to the other one. I'm glad they are letting you do radiation again. Good luck!

  • misslil
    misslil Member Posts: 260
    edited March 2017

    Thanks Pamela. I'm not sure about what I had in 2008 as far as it being HER2+ or not. I never heard anything about HER2+ at that time, I don't know if it was typically something they tested then without evidence of invasive disease?

    The tests they did when I had DCIS pointed to more 'aggressive' grades/flavors of DCIS. That was among the reasons I wound up with a mastectomy which wasn't that common for DCIS, and also radiation which was very uncommon after mastectomy for DCIS. I also had a sentinel node biopsy. .

    I'm ok with doing the radiation again, it was pretty easy on me the first time although I know there's no guarantee of it being similarly easy to get through this time.

  • Pamela23
    Pamela23 Member Posts: 510
    edited March 2017

    Did they have the Oncotype Dx test back then? I was grade 3 also but had the test done which made me be more aggressive and do chemo. I got the Her2 from your signature so maybe it was just residual they didn't get. I hope you zap the hell out of anything else and never have to go through this again!!

  • misslil
    misslil Member Posts: 260
    edited March 2017

    Iirc, they had that test but didn't use it with DCIS. Don't know if that was a risk-cost-benefit thing, or more that the nature of how the test worked wasn't applicable with DCIS.

    I'm not sure they did the Oncotype test in my current IDC situation either. I chose not to ask, I already had path reports and dr opinions showing the new tumor as high grade and 'aggressive' type although thankfully caught pretty early.

    I didn't want to keep hearing more about all that. As a two-time offender, I couldn't see any way I'd fall into a low-risk category for treatment measures or future monitoring. Wanted to focus mostly on what was possible to do to address this new situation, and where possible reduce risks of anything coming back in future.

  • cindyanne
    cindyanne Member Posts: 44
    edited April 2017

    Misslil I am in a very similar situation. My first was actually 12 years ago and ER+ This time I was diagnosed in December 2016 with ER-Pr-HER2+++ in the same breast. They originally thought the mass was small but after the masectomy found it to be at least 6cm which is why they are considering re radiation. I am currently getting ready for TCHP #5 and will see the MO the first of May. I also had quite an easy time the first round of radiation but the residual pain lasted many years and in fact is partially why I did not catch this second diagnosis. I want to do everything possible to prevent this from happening again, which is why I chose a double mx. I am concerned about the risks involved with re radiation. What about your lungs and bones?

  • misslil
    misslil Member Posts: 260
    edited April 2017

    cindyanne, sorry to hear about your experience and the new situation.

    In speaking with my radiation team and breast cancer team generally, I have not been given to understand there is material risk from radiation to the lungs or bones. That may be a situational thing for each person based on what area is being treated, what the angles are for the beams, etc.?

    My issue, both times, has been on the left side which has raised some issue about avoiding heart damage. The first time they were able to angle the radiation to minimize that risk as much as practicable. The second time, they briefly considered having me do the breath-hold technique to further reduce the risk to any heart concern, but decided it was not necessary after they worked out their final gameplan and modeled how the beams were supposed to go against the area being treated. Once I get through the radiation treatment, plus having had chemo / Herceptin, I imagine I may need follow-up for some time to check for long-term damage. During TCHP, they've had me do echocardiograms every 6-12 weeks; not finding anything interesting to date.

    My issues both times have been a little under the skin on my left side some distance above the chest surface ("4 o'clock" for the last one). I may well have gotten different advice and risk information had my issue been closer to the chest wall.

    Best wishes in your case


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