Anyone quit ANY form of estrogen suppressor super early?

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  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited September 2016

    ballyhoo...You are proof that these drugs can have permanent side effects! It's something that is rarely discussed and mostly denied by our docs. Not trying to be negative , just think we all need to make informed treatment decisions.

  • Jennie93
    Jennie93 Member Posts: 1,018
    edited September 2016

    That's scary. All the Drs have told me that if anything gets unbearable, I can just quit taking it and the SEs will go away. Except something like osteoporosis.



  • StillSurprised
    StillSurprised Member Posts: 14
    edited September 2016

    Quit letrozole/Femara in June after 7 months. Main SE were seriousfatigue and depression - which I'm not willing to play around with (already on antidepressants). Going off seemed to help some, but still having some issues with both. My DX was DCIS but very E+. I did lumpectomy and rads. That's going to have to be enough for now.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited September 2016

    Joint issues are the side effect that can be permanent on aromatase inhibitors. We all need to make informed decisions...

  • Sara536
    Sara536 Member Posts: 7,032
    edited September 2016

    Tell me if I'm crazy...no, I actually only want to hear from people who agree with me. Quality of life is my priority now. The SEs from Anastrozole (only 4 days) were all consuming torture. I'm uneasy about the try-it-you'll-like-it-after-a-while approach and am fearful of trying a different brand etc. I'm not convinced that AI drugs do no permanent harm. I was one of those unlucky women who took an early generation of birth control pills (1965) before they said, "Oops! that was way too high a dose for anyone." Those pills had some very uncomfortable side effects like breasts hard as a rock and painful to touch (great way to start a marriage). I quit after 2 years and survived but it did lead to my distrust of HRT for menopause symptoms so I refused those and menopause was a piece of cake. Lo and behold! now HRT has fallen out of favor. AI is still in the guinea pig stage as far as I'm concerned-been there done that. Since I'm 71 now, I figure the next 10 years will probably be my best so why not enjoy them? Before my short bout with Anastrozole, I was feeling pretty damn good. If I tough it out with AI for the next 10 years, I will find myself delivered into my 80's totally debilitated. Oncotype dx 14 so I think at least that's hopeful though I know it doesn't guarantee a thing.

  • ballyhoo
    ballyhoo Member Posts: 21
    edited September 2016

    Sara,


    I do no think you are crazy in the slightest. Besides my new distrust of the medical industry or should I say big pharma is this: My body told me while being on those drugs that everything about them is wrong. I couldn't imagine going even a couple more months on them. My quality of life sucked and mentally I felt like a cancer patient every single day. I feel like my old normal self again. So in short, I totally agree with you!


    Oncotype 14 too..

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited September 2016

    Sara...you go girl! Its your body and your decision. Be well.

  • GinaSC
    GinaSC Member Posts: 18
    edited September 2016

    tly, your story sounds similar to mine. I was ok about the cancer, BMX, reconstruction and all that goes with it. I didn't need chemo or rad & oncodx is 7%. I've been on tamoxifen and it's as though my pms is back with a vengeance. I took birth control pills continuously to keep it under control. I stopped taking them this past April as soon as I was diagnosed. I also have hypothyroidism/Hasimoto's disease which is currently out of control and adds to my symptoms. I can't win for losing. My PCP did a blood test to check my hormones. This will tell her if she can petition my Onco to change my cancer med to see if I can get relief. I just know I can't live like this. I did it for over 30 years and it makes me feel bi-polar. With such a low chance of recurrence & be slow growing I think I will go off the med all together & just be monitored.

  • veronicaanne
    veronicaanne Member Posts: 9
    edited September 2016

     I was allergic to it. So yes. Also cannot take tam. Onc is useless. Anyway, I'm not sure if it's very helpful.

  • Frill
    Frill Member Posts: 311
    edited October 2016

    I pretty much gave the MO the screw you I'm not taking it and his response was essentially, then we're done here. I'm thinking, uh, follow up appts, talk about life after cancer? That's just doesn't seem right. I called the patient advocate to get a new oMs

  • Terrane
    Terrane Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2016

    I developed side effects to anastrozole after about 1.5 months of taking it. I was starting to feel better after chemo, then along came fatigue, poor concentration, weakness, back pain, neck pain, stiffness, carpal tunnel, etc. I held on for about three months, then saw MO who recommended one month off before starting another AI. I am now three weeks into this, and have not noticed much relief. How long can I expect this to take?

  • ballyhoo
    ballyhoo Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2016

    Hi Terrane,

    I'm to understand that the side effects will last as long as you take the pill if you have them. I have seen very few posts over the internet of people having side effects and then they went away. I also keep reading that when they switch to another pill, they still have the same side effects. You might want to discuss this with your Oncologist though. Every one is different.

  • Cocktails
    Cocktails Member Posts: 4
    edited January 2017

    If they prescribed this crap for men, it would never be taken. It is horrible stuff that steals what life you have left. Hard enough to have cancer and recurrance hanging over your head, but to steal your life and turn you into a 100 year old women, basically overnight, just isn't right. The problem is we have not complained loud enough and there has been no advances in over 20 years.

    Look at the studies. They are ancient. 20 years ago?? And oncologists are the lowest breed of Dr. The won't even engage you in an educated discussion because they are so under schooled. They have no answers for you and just schlep you off to other speciaities. I'm sick of them and have now made my NA my gate keeper. she is wiling to research and help me make informed choices.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited January 2017

    Cocktails..Your comment about men has entered my mind many times. I'm happy for anyone who does well on anti hormone therapy. Unfortunately the fact remains that only 50 percent of us complete the 5 recommended years. Add those who stay on with substantial SEs and that's a big number. Also agree that the stats are very outdated. My dear cousin passed away from BC 25 years ago at the age of 38. When I got diagnosed I was shocked at how little has changed since then. I also agree that we need to speak up rather than suffer in silence. That's where I think things would be different if it was a male dominant disease. We need better screening, better treatment options and yes a cure!

  • TarheelMichelle
    TarheelMichelle Member Posts: 871
    edited January 2017

    No kidding, the AIs suck. Think about the women like me who MUST take them to stay alive. It's not living, to be crippled and cranky. Who wants to live, if "living" is staggering instead of walking, dropping things and falling from neuropathy, and on and on? Every woman reading this knows the nightmare of side effects; no need for me to repeat them.

    I took a 4-week break from AI's, which was MARVELOUS to feel human again. My PET scan showed my cancer tumors growing in size and more active -- in just 4 weeks. I have no choice. It's AIs, or drug trials, or my cancer takes over my body.

    There's no way I would take AIs as a preventive. Even if I could do things over.

    Better days ahead, sisters.

  • snowsogal
    snowsogal Member Posts: 79
    edited January 2017

    Hi Tarhee:

    Have you tried Reisha Mushroom? I took this along with Cytoxan and Taxotere. The oncologist said I could take it. I have tried all the AI's and Tamoxifen. I was on them all for two years, and I developed DeQuervains tendonitis taking them. They had me stop for a short peroid time Armidex thinking tendonitis would go away, but I think the damage was already done. Letrozole raised up liver enzymes and Tamoxifen made me bleed.

    My oncologist said I could stop all estrogen blockers and Tamoxifen. I am allergic to yeast, but I take Grape Seed Extract to reduce my chances of cancer.


    Maybe you can try some natural things to keep your tumors from spreading and growing. Since taking Reisha I am still in remission. This has been over two years now.

    I hope this helps. I also am eating a more alkalaine diet. I have read cancer can exist in an acidic environment, but not alkalaine body environment.

    The AI's were making me have a hard time walking ontop of my neuropathy. So I quit them all over two years ago.

    My oncologist said you gave them all your best shot. This was my follow up oncologist, not the first oncologist that I saw at first. My first oncologist would not agree to this at all. So, thank God my follow up oncologist continues to follow up even though I refuse to take estrogen blocking drugs.

    I hope you don't have to go back on AI,s. Curcumin also can help keep reduced.


    Hope this offers some encouragement

  • ballyhoo
    ballyhoo Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2017

    Hi snosogal,


    In what form do you take your Reisha and where did you get it? I am taking Maitake. I am taking all the stuff you are taking plus more and I feel pretty good! Good for you practicing a non-alkaline diet. I try but sometimes it is hard. It's hard for me to stop going out to dinner once in a while. Oh well, I just keep popping all those supplements!

  • ballyhoo
    ballyhoo Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2017

    Thank you Cocktails. Cheers! (tinking of glasses)

  • Vix1970
    Vix1970 Member Posts: 12
    edited January 2017

    I lasted 20 days on tamoxifen. Side effects were horrendous deep depression and suicidal thoughts ( I've never been depressed in my life) no concerntrstion, could not process thoughts or string a sentence together, fatigue was so bad I was anxious and I cried every few hours for days. I hurt myself accidentally because of the brain fog and processing issues. It hit 3 days in and lifted 3 days after I stopped them.

    Oncologist currently trying to get me to try them again in a couple of months once I finish and recover from rads but I'm not convinced. So far he is refusing to let me try anything else as he says zoladex is far worse for side effects as are AI's.

    Going to go through all the percentages etc and evaluate my risk but think I will be doing this with no ongoing hormone therapy by the looks of things.

  • Optimist52
    Optimist52 Member Posts: 302
    edited January 2017

    Vix, I have been on both Tamoxifen (2 years) and letrozole (18 months). My physical side effects from Tamoxifen were ghastly (don't know how I lasted 2 years!). Letrozole is definitely tolerable for me, not great but nothing like what I endured with Tamoxifen. So for your oncologist to blithely state that AI side effects are categorically worse is odd because we are all different in how we react to these medications. Quite a lot of women on this site have had ovary removal as an alternative to Zoladex.

    All these decisions are so hard, it's trying to choose the 'least worst' option in the end.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited January 2017

    Vix,

    Eh? I'm on Zoladex and suffer no side effects. I'm also on Aromasin, which had mild side effects for me (e.g., warm flushes). So, I'm not sure why your Oncologist would make that comment. I think different women have different side effects on Tamoxifen and the AIs. Some women suffer; some women do OK. I know that if Aromasin gave me horrible SEs, I would try the other AIs and Tamoxifen, just to see if they were kinder to me.

    Good luck!

  • PerAngusta
    PerAngusta Member Posts: 112
    edited March 2017

    Hello Ladies (and Gents?)....I have not posted in a long while because I have been happily enjoying a holiday from breast cancer surgeries, treatments, drugs, hospitals and doctors! I left the office of my medical oncologist in May of 2016 and did NOT see another cancer doctor until yesterday. AND IT WAS LOVELY (overall)!!! FYI – I don't include my cancer information because frankly, I am far too sensitive to receive any insensitive commentary. It doesn't even matter if comments are unintentionally icky...for me, small (even teensy!!) things can trigger huge cry-baby moments for me!! lol So I post details as they are relevant to my writing. I'm writing today because I wanted to update you folks on my particular ordeal with estrogen blockers. Maybe it will help someone out there. I've done some "ground work" and these are my results (for whatever its worth). First of all, I was on Tamoxifen from May 2015 to January 2016....hated it!! I mean, SERIOUSLY hated it!! I ached, head to toe....I lost "me" entirely. I threatened to kill myself more than once.....just to end the tears, the pain and feeling of gloom and doom. Then I had a complete hysterectomy! NO MORE TAMOX!! Yippeeeeeeeee! For 2 weeks, I literally felt as though "clouds had parted" and I was me again!! Albeit, ashamed and guilt ridden for imposing so much pain upon my entire little family!!!! Saying "I'm sorry" only works for soooooooo long!!! My med onc recommended Arimidex and scared me into taking it.....advising that it would reduce my risk of recurrence by 50%. I took it for 3 months and GAVE UP because once again, I was a babbling, blubbering, CURSING!!!!-DID I MENTION CURSING????...HOT MESS OF A MOMMA!!! And physically? Don't even get me started on the pain and suffering and swelling and overall crap-of-a-life I was left to "enjoy"????? Seriously? Words like "enjoy" and "grateful" and "survivor" started to piss me off even if someone used them outside of bc context!!! Oh, the anger. I QUIT IT ALL and I walked away. And here is what happened......I continued to feel pain....head to toe and I continued to gain weight/swell/heat flash/sweat/nightmare. Although, emotionally, I felt MUCH, MUCH, MUCH calmer and more like myself again!! I joined a gym with my husband and my kids...sometimes I did participate and other times (if my body ached – which it STILL does, with or without the estrogen blockers!!), I just watched and smiled and LOVED to be there with them!! I went on a DIET – several diets – and failed miserably 3X!!! Then, I bit the bullet and purchased Jenny Craig – lost 20 pounds and I've managed to maintain the weight loss ever since!!! I will NEVER go back to the estrogen blockers because my quality of life SUCKS when I take them! Depression is an inadequate/insufficient word to describe the HELL that becomes my world, on ANY of those drugs. All of my aches, pains, etcetera are likely now due to the chemically induced menopause, followed by true menopause (surgical). I can handle the physical pain – I don't enjoy it – but I can tolerate it!! I'm in love with my family again and vice versa!! I am thin again and my hair is soooooo lovely - now that it has had a chance to grow!! My lymphadema is not nearly as noticeable with the weight gone either! I've signed up for blood work and scans to monitor/check for recurrence. I haven't actually completed a check yet....but soon!!! All in all, I'm hanging in there ladies (and gents) and I thought I should come online and tell it all!!! I care about all of my cancer sisters and brothers out there!!! If any part of this post helped even one of you – PERFECT!!! PM me if you need some one-on-one encouragement or support!!! And btw....I eat NO SUGAR, DRINK NO ALCOHOL, NO BREAD, NO SALT....lots of leafy greens and proteins!! Green tea helps loads, as well!!! These are the things that helped me.....again, for what it's worth!! :) Be well and I hope you find happy today - my wish is that you find a truckload of it....but even a smile would be a good start!!! :):):)

  • ballyhoo
    ballyhoo Member Posts: 21
    edited March 2017

    Oh my god I so needed to hear that today. Thank you PerAngusta for that comment. I now have other hell to go through (divorce) but I am still resolute on never going back to those evil drugs. I wanted to let you know that I do take Gabapentin for the hot flashes. It really works and you don't even feel anything other than the elimination of your hot flashes. A lot of doctors don't prescribe it or even think to let us know but mine did. Once my husband is out of my house I can put in my fridge more green things and control my diet a little better. It's going to be hard getting through this time period but I thank you for your comment and encouragement!

  • PerAngusta
    PerAngusta Member Posts: 112
    edited March 2017

    I am sorry to hear that you are facing an additional challenge - as if bc isn't enough!!! My heart is with you and sincere thanks for the tip on the Gabapentin - I was prescribed that drug for post mastectomy pain and didn't realize that it was also helpful for hot flashes!! Good to know!!! I have sent you a personal message as well! Better days ahead my friend!! Be strong!!!! :)

  • Sara536
    Sara536 Member Posts: 7,032
    edited March 2017

    Why no additional research on AIs in 20 years? Because it sells "as is"! When, during a patient info seminar at a cancer center, I brought up my dismay that the research didn't include a study to determine if different dosing for different patient weights and ages would make sense, the presenting doctor launched into a defense of the poor drug companies who spent so many millions just to get the drugs approved that expecting them to consider differential dosing might send them to the poorhouseI have actually considered taking a tiny, tiny dose of Anastrozole instead of stopping it altogether because I know that I can get by with a very small dose of painkillers, antihistamines and antidepressants when needed. (I'm very thin and old.) I know- it's a different drug- but I keep hearing stories of women in their 90's (including my mother) who decide to stop taking their many prescribed meds altogether because the side effects are ruining what life they have left... and they thrive! When I suggested to my MO that I try taking less Anastrozole than prescribed- he would have none of it. He wouldn't even consider that I start out small and gradually increase the dose. So I didn't go back to him. I had no problem finding surgeons and a radiologist but this is my 4th MO.

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited March 2017

    If my se's get so bad I'll probably on my own cut the dose in 1/2 even if MO says don't. I think MOs are afraid to say ok to downsizing the dose or frequency because of the fear if the person recurs so it's better to just stick it out. If you recur then you can't say it wasn't cuz you weren't taking the AI as directed. As I've stated somewhere before, there is no cure for cancer and due to the very nature of it, there never will be. So that being the case, move some of the funds from finding this elusive cure over to making the meds we need to be on more bearable. I'm 1 month into Letro and am thinking you have got to be kidding me... 10 years???? I'm 52 and not ready to feel like I'm 80. Hell my 78 year old pops is in much better shape than me before my cancer, now no way in hell I can keep up with him even walking! This is outrageous, and by hearing how we can go to the ER for our cancer needs downright pisses me off. 2018 and 2020 can't come fast enough, but that's another thread..

  • Falconer
    Falconer Member Posts: 1,192
    edited March 2017
    Funny, Sara, I just had the same conversation with my BS last week and my MO today. How can 25mg be the same for me, at 5'3" and 120 lbs, for my mom, 5'7", and 170lbs, and my daughter, 5'1" and 102lbs? Neither of them gave me a reason why I shouldn't cut the dose in half except that "it was more than enough". Ugh!!
  • ballyhoo
    ballyhoo Member Posts: 21
    edited March 2017

    2018 and 2020 can't come fast enough, but that's another thread..


    I am so with you on that one Arista928! Lolz..



    Wait, I didn't vote for that orange Cheeto anyways!

  • Fearless59
    Fearless59 Member Posts: 74
    edited March 2017

    I appreciate all of your posts. I am a no-drugs person also. It gives me more resolve to refuse these drugs after hearing your experiences.

    I have read a lot, it seems to me that cancer is like a plant; it will grow only if conditions are right for it. So, if it doesnt grow, we do not have a problem and cancer is not a death sentence. I, too, am going for almost no meat, bread, dairy, sugar. Tons of veggies, seeds, fruit, mushrooms, tumeric, green tea, grape seed extract. I love it that others are trusting their own bodies to heal. I agree that it is such a downer when people post "make wrong/scolding" stuff. We all need to support each other's decisions on how we choose to play this cancer game. I am in it to win!!!

  • TracyKin
    TracyKin Member Posts: 5
    edited March 2017

    First, thank you to every one of you amazing women. I also did the mastectomy, chemo then radiation. I finished December 9th 2015. I have peripheral neuropathy from the chemo that is permanent. I have been taking Gabapentin since August 2015 and its no help. I have been told by 2 MO that there's nothing that can be done! So, my hands and especially my feet hurt, tingle all the time. My job requires me to be on my feet and that makes it worse. After a long day I have stepped out of my jeep at home and fallen out because of my feet.

    January 2016 I started taking Anastrozole. It started with bone pain and I became a walking hot flash. But, the side effects didn't stop st that. Depression, thinning hair, weepy, anger issues. Let's not forget the neuropathy. So I do walk like a 90 yr old woman and I'm 54. 3 days ago I put myself on a drug holiday. I feel better, not great but better then I did. Emotionally I'm still a train wreck, but I do see a difference.

    This is no way to live. I can understand wanting to stop the med. Here's my dilemma. I only have my insurance because I am being treated for BC, the Anastrozole. So I have to take the awful medicine in order to keep my insurance.

    Ladies, I am so very unhappy and I am sick of "suck it up" "nothing we can do about it". Sick of feeling like crap.

    Thanks for letting me whine.

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