Differences of opinion on certain foods

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Tom1981
Tom1981 Member Posts: 52
edited March 2017 in Stage III Breast Cancer

So in regards to the foods below I keep reading conflicting reports about them being good or bad for combating breast cancer. We are trying to kill the beast, not feed it. Any insight would help. Are there others we should be concerned with?

Soy

Flaxseed

Beans

Chickpeas




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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited March 2017

    Hi Tom,

    You may be interested in checking out this section from the main Breastcancer.org site: Nutrition and Breast Cancer Risk Reduction.

    We hope this helps!

    --The Mods

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2017

    Tom - my advice is MODERATION. Just that. I really don't believe that we have to totally change everything we eat. Yes, it's good to loose weight if necessary. And of course exercise is good for everything else in the body. But as for food & drink - moderation is the watch word.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2017

    Tom: Below is a link to a thread that provides lots of good tips from BCO - both food & exercise & etc. Some of the articles are very interesting.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/90/topics/786545?page=2#idx_34

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited March 2017

    And it depends on whether your tumor is/was ER+. If so, you need to be very careful to avoid or at least minimize phytoestrogens (like processed concentrated soy protein isolate in powders & fake meats, flax, valerian, St. John’s wort, kava kava, and all those weight-loss herb capsules). Generalizations like “cancer feeds on sugar,” or “eating fat makes you fat” are flat-out wrong (not all tumor cells depend on the same substances, and more body fat is made & stored by conversion from sugars. The fats you eat, once your gut extracts the good component of them and sends them to your bloodstream, are generally either burned or excreted if you don’t eat simple and refined carbs and your liver (and gall bladder, if you still have one) are in good working order. Fat can be filling, as well as enhance defecation. (Some cancer patients swear by a fully ketogenic diet—think ultra-Atkins but with more fat and less protein, and neither fruit nor starch. It’s still controversial, though).

    What is indisputable is that nobody needs sugar—the only sugar our primitive ancestors ate came from caramelization on the surfaces of the meat they roasted and the occasional ripe fruit that was easy to pick or fell off the tree before famine season rolled around. Fruit was a rare treat. We evolved to tear meats and chew plants—just look at our teeth. Back then the goal was to maintain adequate body fat for survival and fertility, and sugar helped that. Mother Nature never got the memo that less body fat is necessary now that for most of us famine isn’t an issue, and that women now live long past the end of our reproductive years. Evolution is sloooowww….

    And that almost none of us get enough water—whether by drinking it or from the fruits, vegetables and dairy we consume. Speaking of dairy, after the age of two, human beings don’t require it. But it isn’t necessarily harmful if we’re careful about the sources of the milk and the quantities consumed.

  • Tom1981
    Tom1981 Member Posts: 52
    edited March 2017

    I think in general my wife and I eat pretty healthy and exercise. I really ask about these 4 things because they are active elements in our diet. Soy in the form of soy beans and soy sauce. Chickpeas in whole form and hummus, ground flaxseed in smoothies. And a variety of black, pinto, kidney beans etc. I really didn't think these would be a problem in their whole natural form. We tend to stay away from anything processed. As far as sugar, it's limited and we have stevia plants around the house we use the leaves from for drinks and teas. We just want to increase the odds as much as possible around here.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2017

    Look at the "breaking research" thread that the Mods posts. I've read a bunch about soy lately - although supposedly I didn't have to worry about it as ER/PR negative. Now the recommendation seems to be changing - that soy is OK depending on the kind of soy.

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited March 2017

    There seems to be conflicting evidence about the use of soy and flaxseed for those who have had ER+ BC. Based on my own research, I do eat flaxseed and believe it to be beneficial.

    Because I follow a Paleo diet, all legumes including soy are excluded. If you are trying to avoid soy in your diet, be prepared to become an avid label reader. Soybean oil is found in so many prepared foods, including most premade salad dressing and mayonnaises,

    However, I worry less about the properties of any plant foods, including soy or legumes, causing harm than I do about the possible damage caused by eating meat and dairy products derived from animals that are routinely treated with hormones. As a Paleo dieter, I eat plenty of meat, but it is all from grassfed, organic, hormone free sources. I eat very little dairy, but when I do, I make sure the butter and cheeses I buy are hormone free. IMO concerns about flaxseed, soy, chickpeas, etc. pale in contrast to the concerns we ought have about commercially raised meat and dairy as sources of unwanted and harmful hormones in our diets.

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