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Supportive
Supportive Member Posts: 81
edited March 2017 in Alternative Medicine

Does anyone with or without diagnosis have thoughts on or is doing this... using food and calorie deficit diets to improve their odds

Thoughts? Do you or do you not believe in it

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  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited February 2016

    I did it for several months after my dx and lost about 40 lbs--lbs which I really needed to lose. It was hard at first but got much easier with time. As for results--no it did not make my BC go away--there was so much more I needed to do to fix my health, but my tumor stopped growing during that time and hasn't grown since, despite my doing holistic completely and the fact that I'm no longer on the keto diet. My theory about that is that I was a bad sugar junkie before my dx and the keto takes your blood sugar all the way down and fixes any metabolic problems you might be having. Not just my theory--it's the way some cancer research is heading. So, it's not enough to forego sugar--you have to fix your underlying metabolic issues too--my holistic doc completely gave me his blessing in this.

    Some of the problems: I live in an area where it is difficult to get clean meat, despite living in farm country--it's big ag all the way here. Also, it was difficult to get enough fiber from the low starch veggies that you're allowed, so I gradually segued into a semi-vegetarian diet for the duration--I now eat beans, grains, nuts, vegetables--both starchy and non, and fruit, with just a little meat sometimes. I have tried juicing, but I started to gain weight from it--I think I included too many fruits, lol. I do not eat anything with added sugars, meaning no desserts except for the occasional sugar-free one and I severely limit dairy. And, the tumor is still there and still not growing.

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  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited February 2016

    Oh and I want to add that there is a thread on the Complementary Holistic forum about this same topic.

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  • Cath78
    Cath78 Member Posts: 15
    edited February 2017

    Hello

    I was put on this diet. Mainly cutting all carbs all sugar..minimal fruit sugars also to starve c cells. I didn't need to but have lost a kilo or two. It's easy once you get a few food alternatives and a few recepies down pat then it becomes normal. Get creative and enjoy !

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  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited February 2017

    I was on dead-animals-and-leaves for two years before bc—and lost 50+ lbs., even while traveling internationally. Then came diagnosis, comfort eating, surgery, comfort eating, radiation, comfort eating, letrozole, comfort eating, and suddenly slowed metabolism. You can guess what happened next. Just joined a gym (and was crushed to find out that I can’t take its fitness assessment test or use much of its equipment & amenities lest I reawaken my dormant lymphedema—and I already have the same treadmill & cycle they have). If & when I go back on near-keto, it will be for the weight loss, blood sugar and lipid control. No illusions about what it might accomplish for preventing recurrence.

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  • leftduetostupidmods
    leftduetostupidmods Member Posts: 620
    edited March 2017

    I've been on a ketogenic diet for close to 3 years now. It's not hard at all, I'm past the cravings - long past - my only issues were with fresh fruit. I had stopped eating refined sugar for years before my diagnostic.

    Anyway, when I started it, I lost close to 50 lbs within a year (I went slow, at my age you don't want to have hanging skin all over the place). The only time in the year when I do eat carbs - still no refined sugar though - is the winter holidays, when I do eat some baked goodies made with regular flour. Otherwise I make all my stuff with low carb flours, I use coconut flour the most due to the price (I can get it in jars of 2 1/4 lbs, organic, at my local Walmart neighborhood market). I developed dozens of recipes, even started a youtube channel but it's on the back burner right now due to some issues (selling house, moving, all that).

    Right before starting it, I had two spots coming up on the bone scan, that were determined "wait and see approach". After I started the diet, at the repeated scans (every 6 months) one of the spots it's gone the other one is unchanged. The onc says that he thinks it very well may be a met but due to my lifestyle I keep it in check. I refused any biopsies or anything for now, and said only if it starts growing, but for now I prefer the "wait and see" approach.

    If anyone needs any help in starting or continuing the ketogenic diet, please feel free to contact me.

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  • MagicalBean
    MagicalBean Member Posts: 362
    edited March 2017

    I'm glad I found this thread. I started eating Keto last month. It is easy to do and has been fabulous for my glucose levels. My biggest problem is that I forget to eat. It's that filling. I hope to start expanding my recipe file.

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  • Fearless59
    Fearless59 Member Posts: 74
    edited March 2017

    I just found this.....

    Google "Dr. Gonzales dismantles the ketogenic diet for canver," posted by chris wark.

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  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited March 2017

    Who is Dr. Gonzales and what are his qualifications?

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited March 2017

    Melissa, https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/gonzalez-pdq

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  • zogo
    zogo Member Posts: 20,329
    edited March 2017

    From Wikipedia "Nicholas James Gonzalez, M.D., (December 28, 1947 – July 21, 2015) was a New York-based physician known for developing the Gonzalez regimen (or Gonzalez protocol), an alternative cancer treatment.[1][2][3] Gonzalez's treatments are based on the belief that pancreatic enzymes are the body's main defense against cancer and can be used as a cancer treatment.[4] His methods have been generally rejected by the medical community,[1] and he has been characterized as a quack and fraud by other doctors[3] and health fraud watchdog groups. In 1994 Gonzalez was reprimanded and placed on two years' probation by the New York state medical board for "departing from accepted practice".[1][3]

    In one non-randomized clinical trial of terminally ill patients with pancreatic cancer, the Gonzalez-treated patients were found to have died much earlier than those treated with conventional chemotherapy. A better quality of life was reported by the chemotherapy arm.[5]"

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