Please help ILC

Kaylay775
Kaylay775 Member Posts: 5

Hi Everyone. I am new to this site and had some questions about ILC breast cancer. What is the symptoms of ILC and physical symptom of breast ILC? I cannot seem to find much on it online only that it does not form a lump like typical breast cancer, does not show up on a mammogram or ultrasound, and is pretty difficult to diagnose. Most dr's don't even suggest ILC as it is kind of rare (from what I read) My mother passed away from that when she was 28yrs old and I was 3. I was raised by my maternal grandparents and have asked alot of questions about her and ILC and they can't remember much. They tell me she passed away rather quickly and they do not remember her symptoms of ILC or even much about her diagnosis. Not sure if it's too painful for them or if they really don't remember. If anyone can help me it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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  • Freya244117
    Freya244117 Member Posts: 603
    edited February 2017

    Hi Kayla,

    Lobular cancer is dxd in about 15 % of women with BC. I have ILC. This page from the main site here has lots of good information.

    Lobular cancer grows more as a thickening, rather than making a lump. I had checked my breasts every month since I was a teen and never felt anything different. It has often been called an older woman's cancer, but I was 44 when dxd, and my medical team seemed to think it could have been there for 10 years.

    As for symptoms, well there really aren't any, but that is the case for most cancers until you find a lump or it is found by screening. With your family history, perhaps you need to consult a good doctor and start from there. Best wishes.

  • Kaylay775
    Kaylay775 Member Posts: 5
    edited February 2017

    I started having mammograms just recently I am 25. I have spoke to my OB/GYN about ILC he said it would show on an ultrasound but I have read in this group and online it does not show up like that, MRI is an excellent tool for diagnosing. It's frustrating for a dr to tell me I'm too young to worry about BC, but I am not. My family history proves otherwise. I was hoping someone on here could help. Thanks for your reply.

  • melmcbee
    melmcbee Member Posts: 1,119
    edited February 2017

    Hi Kaylay. I was on vacation and notice a pain in my breast. I didnt pay attention at first but i eventually rubbed the area and i felt this strange thickening. I wirk in radiology and when I went back to work I had several mammo techs examining it. They called the breast center and git me an appointment for mammo, us, and biopsy. I went to work two weeks later and printed out my pathology report. ILC. Take care and know what your breast should feel like. I didnt and i had like a 3.5. cm mass that I was also told had probably been growing fir 10 years too

  • Freya244117
    Freya244117 Member Posts: 603
    edited February 2017

    Kayla, I wish we could help more. If your doctor is not being helpful or proactive, I would find one that is, you might need to try quite a few until you do.

  • Kaylay775
    Kaylay775 Member Posts: 5
    edited February 2017

    Thank you. I appreciate your reply.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited February 2017

    Kaylay - Freya is right. And I would inquire about genetic testing since you know your Mother died of BC. It certainly seems relevant. Good luck. By the way, you probably want to stay away from "dr google". There is old information out there, in addition to incorrect info & plain old scare stories.

  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited February 2017

    Hi Kayley - You are smart to be asking questions and to be proactive for yourself. You'll read a lot that ILC is seen in older women but there are plenty of not so old women on the boards who were diagnosed with ILC. Still, 28 is young to have BC of any kind. Has your doctor spoken with you about genetic testing? If not, I would ask him/her about it, especially BRCA 1 and 2 testing. If I were you, I would look for a doctor at a breast center. You can usually find them at teaching hospitals but at some private hospitals too. If you need help finding one, send me a private message.

  • djmammo
    djmammo Member Posts: 2,939
    edited February 2017

    Kaylay

    This is a long one so finish your coffee before reading ;-)

    In addition to arising from two different breast tissues, IDC and ILC differ in appearance on imaging. The appearance of IDC on a mammogram is the classic focal spiculated mass, something that looks distinctly different from the background tissue pattern and will feel like a hard lump on physical exam. This is in part due to your body's reaction to the tumor.

    ILC spreads along the tissue planes within the breast in a random pattern, not forming a discrete mass and not causing a great deal of reaction by the body. Although not as obvious as IDC on a mammogram, it is first detected as a new asymmetric density (a phrase you have all heard many times) in one or both breasts.

    For example when comparing new and old mammograms, one might notice that there is now an area of otherwise normal appearing breast tissue density where, on last year's exam, there was an area of fat. This can be very subtle and this is what prompts all those additional views and spot compression images for an assym density everyone has had to endure, and ILC is why. If it spreads out on compression then it is soft normal breast tissue. If it persists and does not change in appearance, we become suspicious and go to US next.

    You have all seen the US images of IDC, the little round ball with the jagged edges and dark shadowing behind it. ILC does not have that appearance. Rather than looking for a discrete mass we look for a disturbance in the overall pattern of the breast tissue. An analogy might be looking closely at a piece of silk for imperfections with a magnifying glass when you suddenly run into something that looks like flannel. It can be very subtle but not altogether impossible if you know what you are looking for and have a high enough index of suspicion.

    Am I assuming correctly that you currently have no symptoms? MRI is the best method of detecting ILC and it will depend on your insurance company and your state laws regarding breast density whether or not they will reimburse for such a screening exam.

  • melmcbee
    melmcbee Member Posts: 1,119
    edited February 2017

    Kaylay, I forgot to tell you I was 42 at diagnosi

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited February 2017

    Kaylay....so sorry you lost your mother so young. IMO between your age and screening for ILC mammos are useless. Your breasts are too dense. An ultrasound is better but the best screening tool for your age and for ILC is a MRI. The hereditary factor is also important. Make sure you find a doc that is interested in all mentioned. Also would like to mention that being treated at a major university teaching hospital is very important. Good luck to all navigating this complicated disease.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2017

    Kaylay, you should be working with and being screened through a high risk breast clinic at a major university medical center who can determine exactly a schedule and types of screening for you and at what ages. You should probably have genetic counseling.

    Also, even if you have a genetic predisposition to breast cancer, don't get hung up on it just being ILC. Because you have an inherited dispostion doesn't mean you would get the exact same kind of cancer your mom did. You would probably be at least, if not more likely, to develop IDC.

  • Jkay775
    Jkay775 Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2017

    Wowzers that was alot. Thank you so much for all the great information? Would you say mammos are useless at my age? And I should just skip right over to Ultrasounds and MRI? I live in California so getting my insurance to cover Ultrasouns and MRI is not easy.

  • djmammo
    djmammo Member Posts: 2,939
    edited February 2017

    Jules

    Not useless. Even with dense breasts abnormal calcifications can usually be seen which really cannot be seen on any other test and can help direct the ultrasound. Although in general younger women have denser breasts they don't always, and at least one view of each breast should be obtained somewhere along the way in your workup.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited February 2017

    Hi guys. Would like to clarify that what I meant was mammos are useless if that is the only screening tool. Sorry for the confusion...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2017

    My oncologist claims that about 80% of bc is caught by mammos and 20% by ultra sound. But that's a generalization in terms for bc. I found mine myself after just getting a clear mammo, ack....I felt so protected but who knows how long it was there, hiding? I found it through a breast self-exam, because I was skinny enough to feel it and it was nearly on my ribs, in the tissue under my arm.

    As it was I had 5 "clear" mammos before I found it; the last mammo finally reported dense breasts which hide ILC because of the different way it grows. I wish I had known earlier that dense breasts hide bad things. I would have demanded an US or an MRI.

    Finally, as for rarity of ILC--it's the second most common form of breast cancer, which kind of flips the rare designation on its head, doesn't it?

    Everything the above posters have written is good advice. Genetic testing is the way to go, and then I think you can more easily ask for better screening than a mammo.

    Claire

  • Obee
    Obee Member Posts: 4
    edited February 2017

    all very interesting , I'm in NZ . thanks Claire

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited March 2017

    Jkay,

    My breast cancer was found because of something suspicious which resulted in an ultrasound. Then biopsy and MRI and another biopsy. I had several mammograms in a row before the breast cancer was found. I asked a radiation oncologist about just skipped mammograms and going right to ultrasound or MRI. He told me that ultrasound is much more useful and helpful after a mammogram. He also said that MRIs result in false positives. The new digital mammograms are much improved.

    I agree with the others. Find a breast specialist in high risk for breast cancer and potential hereditary breast cancer. Push for genetic testing. There are now many more markers than just BRCA 1 and 2.

    Kare

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited March 2017

    Mammograms don´t seem to show ILC very well, if at all (did not in my case despite a diagnosis of Stage 3 ILC cáncer just 6 weeks after a "normal" mammogram) so mammograms are pretty pointless as they are not so accurate on dense Young breasts either!

    I agree with others, go to a specialisy high risk centre and insist on regular MRI´s, mine did not show on US either...

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