Extracapsular extension HELP

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Cocoredrose
Cocoredrose Member Posts: 12

Hi!

Just got my pathology report after surgery. 0% of mitosis, no LVI but 6 lymph nodes removed and 2 were positiv with extracapsular extension. The surgeon told me it didnt matter. The most important fact was that my cancer was totally removed. My onc. told me that it depends on the number of nodes. More than 4 extracapsular is taken seriously.

Anyone experienced this situation ? Im so scared.

I had first chemo with a reduction of my lump than surgery and now Im on herceptin. and in two days I will start rads.

Im so scared and especially because i have shortness of breath. And I keep on thinking the cells went to my lungs. My muga is ok, my X-ray chest made one month ago is ok, my markers are very low ... but anxiety still makes me feel bad.

Can anyone help me? Thank you very much.

ps: I was stage 2 and now stage 1 with 2/6 nodes

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  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited January 2017

    I know it's hard, but try to hold on to the fact your X-ray and muga were ok, which I is great. anxiety can definitely affect your breathing patterns. If you are unable to relax, please speak to your doctor.

    I know the fear of mets we'll,in the early days I was terrified.

    It's now almost 12 years later from a stage IIIC with 12 positive nodes, some extra capsular and 2 totally replaced by tumor and I am well today.

    rads were easy for me, just tiring.

    Check these boards, the are many many women doing fine .

    I wish you a gentle road

  • ShannaM
    ShannaM Member Posts: 22
    edited February 2017

    Ikc, your dx is very close to mine. It gives me hope that you've been Ned for so long. Did you by chance have your ovaries removed, or a hysterectomy? That's my next big decision, I start rads tomorrow.

  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited February 2017

    hi Shanna, I was hormone negative, not Brca positive , and also I am older so I did not have additional surgery., otherwise I would of gone for it

  • Cocoredrose
    Cocoredrose Member Posts: 12
    edited February 2017

    Hi, thank you so much for your answers and your support. My onc. explained me everything. Because the surgeon didn't do it and our rendez vous was very fast. Just like she had a lot to do. Anyway, I have a very good psychotherapist. She's specialized in post traumatic stress disorder. So we worked together the last few days on "fighting" fear. Her methods is an american one. Well known in the world and called : emdr. Its originator is Francine Shapiro (Ph.D). She developped this psychological therapy in San Francisco in the 80's and treated first with success a lot of veterans.

    This method is now used in France for victims of terrorism and people suffering from cancer and other disease.

    I really recommand this method because it works. I was feeling good and ready to believe the testimonials of some of you who had extracapsular and survived and are feeling well today.

    Looking forward to read you all, thank you very much once again and have a good evening. (here in France it's 9 pm)

  • carmstr835
    carmstr835 Member Posts: 388
    edited May 2017

    Hi,

    I too have IDC with extra-nodal extension. I read this with much interest because I still do not know what the plan is. I have bilateral IDC diagnosed March 1st. I have had Bilateral mastectomies on March 28th with sentinel nodes as well as lymph node dissection of all level 1 and 2 nodes on the right. Nodes on the left, all 4 of them were negative. Only 2 on the right were positive and 1 was extra-nodal extension, the other positive node was NOT a sentinel node. The extra-nodal extension (ETE) was huge. This lymph node tumor was bigger than both the original tumors and it grew very fast. March 13th there seemed to be zero lymph involvement when they did the needle core biopsy, nothing clinical through palpation or ultrasound. Then on March 22, it was huge and palpable and visible on an MRI as highly suspicious as cancer. Only 9 days and it grew this big. At that point I was put on Arimidex.

    I know arimidex works because the pathology from my surgery, 2 weeks later was much different than the needle core biopsy. My issue is, my Drs seem to be looking only at the surgical pathology when describing my tumor type. I believe the prognosis and treatment plans in most clinical trials are all developed with pathology before hormone treatment. The onotypeDX score of 17 and 19 is assuming an advantage after chemo/radiation with adding the hormone treatments. If they use my post Arimidex numbers, then the values are invalid. I was told my right breast is Luminal A type. The less aggressive cancer, but when you look at the biopsy Ki-67 score of 15-20%, it would place it in the Luminal B category. Remembering that the lymphnode grew to 2.6 cm in 9 days. That does seem to agree with the higher Ki-67 score. As well as the fact my biopsy was HER-2 Positive for the right breast and oncotype DX is not valid with HER-2+.

    Another concern I have is the fact that I cannot continue on the Arimidex, it has raised my cholesterol LDL up 76 points and lowered my HDL by 2. That isn't sustainable for 5 years unless I take statins and I really don't want to do that, neither does my oncologist. It also raised my BP to 190/110 so I am currently on BP medication that causes insomnia, so now I take it in the morning. That is doable for the current time. But not my Cholesterol up 76pts for 5 years taking to above 300. I am also concerned about the value of chemo while on arimidex if it slows the growth of the tumors, then the chemo isn't attacking the cancer. I also believe there is value in stopping the arimidex during radiation therapy to allow the maximum benefit by damaging the fastest growing cells. Anyone have any info regarding neoadjuvant hormone therapy followed by chemo or radiation? Did your cancer come back? Was there still value in chemo and radiation?

    I asked my oncologist these questions and told him my concerns and he said they are very good questions, but we just don't know the answers to them.

    If I can't continue on the drug that has proven useful so far, I am pretty sure I want something else that will attack this cancer systemically. I think I will ask for Chemo even though losing my hair is devastating to me. I told him, if I do all I can to keep this from coming back and it still returns, then I did all I could, but if I don't and it comes back, I will always wonder what if. However, we need to do something very soon, it has been 7 weeks since my surgery. Anyone have any input or suggestions on a plan?

    Right breast prior to Arimidex: (path from biopsy)
    Stromal inflammation is mild
    Estrogen receptor 100% positive
    Progesterone receptor 1-5% weak
    MIB-1 (ki-67) 15-20% positive and strong intensity
    Her-2/neu oncogene protein Positive +3
    (The equivocal FISH is noted)

    Right breast after Arimidex: (path from surgery)
    Estrogen receptor 97.5 positive
    Progesterone Negative .02%
    Ki-67 Low 5.2%
    Her-2 IHC Negative

    Left Breast prior to Arimidex (path from biopsy)
    Estrogen receptor 100%
    Progesterone receptor 60-70%
    MIB-1 (ki-67) 1-5%
    Her-2/ Negative (FISH)

    Left Breast after Arimidex (path from surgery)
    Estrogen 98.2% Positive
    Progesterone 4.8% Positive
    Ki-67 Low .6%
    Her-2 Equivical (IHC)
    FISH at NeoGenomic Labs- Negative

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited May 2017

    If you are Her2+ then herceptin and perjeta are absolutely needed! I had them every 3 weeks for a year. This is the standard of care at Sloan Kettering. I also had suegery, chemo and radiation. Love, Jean

  • carmstr835
    carmstr835 Member Posts: 388
    edited June 2017

    Well, still no Her2+ treatment. I am hoping soon. They redid the path and again it came out Her2+ but for some reason my oncologist isnt trusting this diagnosis and doesnt want to believe this. They are going to put it before the tumor board this week, I do believe. Did you get a port for Herceptina and perjeta?

  • carmstr835
    carmstr835 Member Posts: 388
    edited June 2017

    The tumor board supports herceptin and perjeta treatment to start on tuesday. I am very relieved. Thank you Jean for your info.

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