Dense Breasts Hike Risk of Aggressive Cancer
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I thought so too. It seems sometimes that without insurance you get discounts which can help for certain things such as this.
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Even in 2007 they were discussing Dense Breasts and mammograms failing to find cancer in a large number of women. I'm beginning to think we've been lead to believe that mammograms are the "Gold Standard" yet they are more like "Fool's Gold". We have made no progress that I am aware of with insurance companies allowing additional scans. Maybe for women who feel a lump that does not present on the mammogram are allowed to get other scanning modalities. Is it really an issue with the Doctors not following through to ask for additional scans? Is it about finding the "right" doctor to go one step further to write you that script? There are many Radiology services who are under contracts with insurance companies and will NOT accept direct patient payment.
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Help! You can do this! The FDA hearing (Nov 4 2011) on dense breast tissue and mammograms was a huge success. I received an email from JoAnn (Density advocate) tonight.
Please consider sending quick note to your congressperson (easy to do following the link) and ask for their support of Federal Bill HR3012 (The Breast Density and Mammography Reporting Act of 2011) https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
Email from JoAnn: UPDATE:Wonderful news! You were kind enough to voice your support of an amendment to federal requirements for the inclusion of breast density in the letter sent to women after their mammograms. Last week Are You Dense Advocacy testified before the FDA’s Mammography Quality Standards Act Advisory Committee. Testifying were patients, researchers, practicing radiologists and national advocacy groups (Komen Advocacy Alliance, among them) who all voiced their strong support of inclusion of density in the patient letter. The FDA official in charge of the meeting commented on “all those letters” received in favor from around the country. The result? The FDA Advisory Panel concurred that density information SHOULD be included in letter sent to patient. The FDA has asked Are You Dense Advocacy to submit suggested language as they contemplate a final recommendation. We remain optimistic this will continue its forward movement. PLEASE KNOW THAT YOU WERE PART OF THE IMPETUS FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION. INDEED, IT PROVES THE POWER OF ONE. As a regulatory solution may yet take time, we will continue with legislative efforts on both the state and federal level. So, one more favor to ask. Can you please contact your congressperson: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml and ask for their support of Federal Bill HR3102 (The Breast Density and Mammography Reporting Act of 2011). Congressional members have – literally – hundreds of bills sitting in their computers, sometimes all it takes is for ONE constituent to show interest in something, for them to support/cosponsor it. -
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I had a die cast MRI after I was diagnosed with ADH and FEA. The doctor was concerned, because I ALSO have dense breasts. The doctor ordered the MRI. The results came back with various sections of my breasts that were lit up or highlighted, (not sure how to describe this), in both breasts. The sections are so lit up, they cannot say I don't have cancer. The doctor said I also have very 'busy breasts' the doctor is giving me the option of double mastectomy, with the explanation of the things I could go through makes me want to, but it does seem drastic. The worst is breast cancer runs in the family I was first diagnosed the same age as my older sister was. I was diagnosed first at 47, I turned 49 two weeks ago. I am scared.
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They can only be sure with a biopsy. No other tests will definitively diagnose. I had stage II with 20 years of normal mammograms. Good luck.
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Hi everyone. Another one with dense breasts. MRI is the best tool to screen them. I was schedules for a lumpectomy before a preoperative MRI revealed a second malignancy. Docs don't like to order them because they are expensive and there can be false positives which then lead to biopsies. That being said it is still the screening tool of choice for dense breasts. We need to be our own advocates and speak up. Good luck to all....
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Actually now there is a new screening tool for dense breasts . I just had it last week. It's called a full breast ultrasound. Completely noninvasive but it hurts like hell . It's also not a particularly effective tool for mass screening. It took an hour and twenty minutes. I hate to see the bill
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I too was told I now have extremely dense breasts from being just hetergenously dense. My annual and 6 month checkup showed nothing with mammogram. I have had issues past 3 years, from learning I have scherling adenosis, and I had a precancer lumpectomy removed 2 years ago, all has been good but calcifications in right breast being watched, a year later, all look the same and after testing every 6 months for years I am told all stable and return in one year. I am happy about it until I read the report and it said extremely dense, I am like what? They were hetergenously dense in January. I wonder if the person reading these films decide the density? Every time I go, a different doctor reads the report. I see my breast doctor next week, I pray I don't have to go in 6 months because of the density. BTW I have zero family history. Last ultrasound I had, insurarance refused to pay.Everything is not necessary in their eyes! I hope they pay now since I am extremely dense. Now do I have to worry for the rest of my life about this??? Always hanging over my head.
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I am so sorry you're going through, Petitegal. I hope everything works out in your favor. Praying to God asking if it be His will, to completely heal your situation. I am hoping for myself too. I wish breast cancer was non existent
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Dense breast tissue is something I have been aware of since my mother had breast cancer the first time 28 years ago. She was told at the age of 50 that she had "young breast tissue" that did not reveal tumors with mammograms. Young tissue or dense tissue shows up white and the tumor show up white, so there is no way to differentiate. The best they have now to detect for dense tissue is the 3D mammograms. Mine was no different than a normal mammogram and was paid for by BCBS after the prior mammogram and the US revealed suspicious areas. I asked my breast surgeon to show me both mammograms and the MRI results. The MRI shows many false positive lumps, but it shows everything. The 3D mammogram was more diagnostically significant. But as was said earlier, only a biopsy can say for sure whether you have cancer. I am on a mission to tell everyone I can about dense breast tissue and the need for 3D mammograms. The BIRADS score you are given is intended to tell you the level of density. Tell your doctors you want 3D if you have lumpy breasts all of the time. If they say insurance won't pay, call your insurance company and tell them your BIRADS score and ask if they would rather pay for your cancer treatments. In some areas the cost of 3D is the same as the cost of digital. One day they will be giving everyone 3D just as everyone now gets digital mammograms.
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I've posted here before that there is a new tool used to image dense breast tissue. It's a full breast ultrasound used specifically for those of us with dense breasts. It's non invasive and take over an hour to complete. I found it extremely painful but it may be a good option if you have breast density
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Ddw,
I am currently researching the full breast ultrasound. Although it sounds painful, it could not be worse than a 2-3 hour full breast ultrasound. My breast are Extremely dense (severe) and noted to have very little adipose tissue. I asked what my Birad score was for density and they said "off the chart" or close to 99% dense tissue. This along with 150ish measured cysts and about a dozen Fibroadenomas make imaging difficult to say the least.
I have had 6 biopsies, and currently have areas in both breasts that need further investigation. I am considered high risk. My largest cyst is 3cm, complex and very painful. I am going to a University Breast Cancer Clinic next week, hoping for answers. These bags of marbles hurt everyday! I would take 1 hour of pain over 2-3 hours not including Mammo time any day.
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That's exactly what I had .... Full breast US. It took 1 1/4 hours in my case. I suppose it couldtake longer or shorter depending on breast size or topography.
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I am so glad that this thread exists and that many are beginning to discuss dense breasts. I had ultrasounds, digital mammograms and biopsies. All were considered normal. Then a great NP found a lump and she demanded it be biopsied. Found a 2.2 cm IDC. I was seeing a well known breast surgeon who did not find the IDC. You cannot see through dense breasts. Spread the word!
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I am interested in the concept of the full breast ultrasound for dense breasts. It seems like a great idea. I also agree with VanillaPudding that it could not be worse than a mammo! Especially for dense breast people. When they did the US following my mammo before my diagonosis even The untrained eye could see the difference between the cancerous areas and the non cancerous tissues. The shape of the cancers was very unique. I have examined the MRI, the mammo both digital and 3D and it isn't as easy to see. Still at the end of the day the only thing that is certain is biopsy. It is for this reason that I opted for the bilateral mastectomy when the cancer was found in one breast. The cancerous breast had three sizable IDC tumors and uncountable DCISs. That is frightening for a person who has had annual mammos for over 28 years, including digital mammos since they were available.
Appropriate diagnostic testing for women with dense breasts is a major issue. We represent more than 50% of all breast cancers and the insurance cos and medical professionals still seem reluctant to agree that different testing is required. We also represent a very large percentage of breast cancers in premenopausal women. This is something we need to advocate for in every forum - contact your state legislators, members of Congress and your state insurance commissioners. Tell them your stories. Read all of the studies and all statistics on dense breast cancers to be prepared. It is VERY likely that your representatives themselves or their wives or daughters have dense breast tissue. Even though it is not a topic people talk much about, they all recognize it. Everyone is afraid of cancer for both themselves and their loved ones. If they knew our stories they would feel a concerned about this issue as we are.
When I found out I had cancer and the multiple doctors appointments began I sent a note to all of the people I worked with in my company and others and told them my story. I told them the cancer had not been found by mammograms and that this was a problem for all women with dense breast tissue. I urged them all to be diligent in advocating for themselves and their loved ones with their doctors for appropriate testing for any cancer. I also urged them not to be appeased if they felt their was something wrong. No one felt a lump on my breast, I just noticed a small change in the shape of my breast caused by an indentation that my doctor couldn't see. I made the appointment to have it checked out and my doctor believed me and sent me for the diagnostic mammo. Nearly everyone who heard my story wrote me personally to thank me for the warning and agreed to urge loved ones to get checked with 3D mammos. Many spread the word to others and and now the message has reached many more people than I could have imagined. I work in the insurance industry as an advocate for companies and I understand the reluctance to take on excessive charges for unnecessary testing, but this is not such a situation. The insurance companies prefer prevention and early detection to paying for very expensive cancer treatments. They just need to validate the accuracy of the process.
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I agree that it is very important to alert women to added dangers of dense breasts. Having recently been through the full breast US for dense breasts I do not agree that it couldn't " be worse" than mammography. At least in my case I would describe it as a Mammogram on steroids. It hurts much , much more than any type of mammogram that I've ever had over the last forty years. I will definitely premedicate if I ever do this . It is a shocking / searing pain lasting at least an hour.no comparison in my experinc
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For me the Mammograms, while painful, are tolerable. The bilateral, full breast standard Ultrasound for 2-3 hours is what hurts the most. With 150 plus cysts and other masses, there is never a spot that is not painful when scanned with the wand. I can't imagine what pain it would be having the whole breast scanned at once. It does sound very painful.
I have a Bilateral Mammogram, and Ultrasound on Monday. That is a great idea to premedicate, I will try that. My breast are so dense, I just always wonder what is missed after imaging. The last Ultrasound I had, the tech sighed seeing my name and face. She admitted she was only going to do a quick "looksee" and just focus on the larger problematic cysts. I am getting pretty good at watching my Ultrasounds and knowing what looks normal and not. To me, I am not worried about the obvious large cysts, whether simple or complex, those are easy to see. Especially when they are over 2cm and bigger. I wonder about all the smaller ones that are skimmed over, especially if they are solid, or not clearly a simple cysts. I am tired of reading "Probably Benign" again and again and again on each report. 10 times at my last imaging.
I am so confused about what to do. I have asked for masses to be biopsied on one hand, and have refused biopsies on the other hand. With so many findings bilaterally, the Radiologist herself is not sure where to start. I am excited and nervous about my first appointment at a University Breast Cancer Center next week. I plan on asking a lot of questions about density, and what that does to my risk.
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I wanted to share my story with dense breasts as it was very eye awakening for me. I just received in the mail the history of my breast cancer treatment including my lumpectomy 12 years ago with atypical cells. One comment that I kept reading about with my mammogram results was the radiologist mentioning "seeing clips" but nothing else. I had my annual mammogram in Oct 2015 and again mention of clips. I found a lump in April. When they did the biopsy they placed more clips in and did another baseline mammogram. Guess what they couldn't see? The tumor. When I went in for surgery they did the wire tracer (I think that's what it is called) and before surgery had another baseline mammogram with the wire and again no sign of the tumor.
MO has recommended no more regular mammograms for me; 3D and MRI moving forward. I do tell you this is pretty scary thinking of all the things that could have been hidden. I did have a MRI and all was clear! That's my story, so anyone with dense breasts please don't rely on regular mammograms.
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I have waited 8 days to post this. I had an appointment at a University Breast Cancer Center to discuss my breast health. I have what they call busy breasts. I have had 6 biopsies in 5 years, along with many Mammos/US/ and MRI's. My results are always Extremely Dense. My MRI further states Extremely Dense (Severe). I was told I have very little adipose tissue.
My "Specialist" at the Breast Cancer clinic was an OB/Gyn. He immediately brushed me off saying everything appears benign after I had a Mammo and then US. He told me all about the guidelines he writes stating Mammograms should be reserved for women after the age of 50. I am 45. He then told me Density is not a risk factor, and family history is only important if you have a 1st degree relative with clinically diagnosed invasive cancer or have tested positive for the BRCA gene. When I asked if he could answer questions, or pull up my Mammo or US from that morning he said it was not necessary. He then left the room when I started getting mad and teary eyed. After a few minutes, he came back, and I told him to sit down because I was not done with my questions. I started asking about the Whole Breast Ultrasound, and he told me the only screening I should have is an annual Mammogram. When I asked why I have had 2 MRI's, and so many other test for issues, he stated it was a waste for dense breasts and everything would show in a Mammogram, possibly a 3D Mammo if warranted. SO frustrated.
On a side note, I just filled out my patient satisfaction survey. Wondering if I will hear from anyone.........
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My mammogram of Sept. 2015 says I had 'extremely dense' breasts. On Jan 17 this year I had a wellness exam at my doctor's office and he did not felt anything. On July 15, I already felt a 1.7 cm lump, which turns out to be cancerous.
At 66, I have been working out strenuously (7 hours a week) for 40 years. That explains my extremely dense breasts. They feel lumpy. Perhaps this is why neither my doctor or I could feel the lump.
By the way. I came from a family with longevity and no cancer history. I have a very healthy life style which all my friends call exemplary.
I did not take hormone treatment. Not even b control pills. For 40 years I never saw a doctor except for wellness exams.
So, what risk factors do I have? Being childless. Late menopause (56). Thyroid pills (for my hypothyroidism). But the BIGGEST reason probably is my DENSE breasts.
If you know other BC patients with similar risk factors as I, please let me know.
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Thank you all for this site. I too have very dense breasts and cystic as well. My sister was diagnosed with Ovarian cancer at 40. She tested positive for BRCA 1 mutation. So high risk. I have a 50% chance of having it too. So at 39 i had my first Mammogram. I was called later that day asking me to come the next day for another Mammo and and ultrasound on my left breast. I spent the rest of that day and night in complete panic mode. I has the tests done and was informed that my Dr. would have results that day. He never called. The next day I called and was assured everything was ok. I saw my Dr. that evening. He told me my breasts are very dence and very cystic. I asked about MRI and he said they don't use MRI on breasts. Just Mammo and ultrasound. He assured my if I had cancer it would be detected. I am not convinced and I don't have much faith in him after a few miss diagnosises with other medical issues I have had. The problem is, there are currently no doctors in my area or on the outskirts accepting new patients. So I am stuck relying on him. I feel absolutely powerless. When I do come to him with an issue he brushes it off. It took him a month to send a referral in to a genetic counseler. It is so hard to tell with the breast exams which bumps are abnormal, some hurt, some are round, some are oval, some big some small. So I wait....... I'm glad i'm not alone, but I don't understand after so many women have been misdiagnosed that they are not doing more to screen us!!
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Maybe the Drs in your area don't use MRI for breast exams but it is absolutely routine elsewhere. My MRI found a 1cm DCIS that had been missed by the mammogram. Don't let him brush you off. Advocate for yourself and do whatever it takes to get proper care - even if it means getting on an airplane to go to a breast specialist.
Where are you with your genetic testing? Do you know yet if you have any mutations? Are you considering prophylactic mastectomies? That can be a hard decision but it's better than letting cancer develop if you're at high risk - unless you're ok with frequent testing and have faith in you dr

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Hey Lucknumber!
Sorry I just saw your reply.
I did manage to get a new doctor. She is GREAT!!! I have had some nipple bleeding (in my right breast) and she immediately got me in for a breast Ultrasound. It showed a dialated duct, possibly a papilloma? Or could be cancer. I will be booked for a Ductogram, just waiting for the call. I am also scheduled for an ultrasound to check my ovaries this week ( i am currently having some issues down there as well). I meet with genetic counsellor on March 1st. Then i can be tested for the BRCA 1 mutation. My parents meet with a Genetic counsellor tomorrow. I'm hoping they get their results before i get my testing done. Everything seems to be happening at once. But I feel better knowing i'm in good hands. If I am BRCA 1 positive, or if this turns out to be cancer. I will elect to have double mastectomy. Still on the fence about recon....but i will discuss it if it comes to that. I am no longer panicing. Just taking everything as it comes. I guess my biggest fears about getting cancer and the gene mutation is my kids. My baby is almost 14 and my only girl, and my boys are, twins 15 (one is Autistic) and my oldest is 20 (down syndrome and still living at home). I fear i passed it on to them, aslo, if i am sick, they will still need someone to look after them. I'm working on teching them more independance.
So for now i carry my positive outlook around....
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