One in Six Women Choose Double Mastectomy

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One in Six Women Choose Double Mastectomy
January 18, 2016

Nearly half of women diagnosed with early-stage breast cancer considered having a double mastectomy and about 17% had the surgery, including many women who were a low risk of developing a second breast cancer. Read more...

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  • Maureen1
    Maureen1 Member Posts: 614
    edited January 2017

    Although I appreciate BCO sharing this article I have to say...I am tired of researchers and clinicians saying that women make BMX decisions out of uniformed fear. Most of the women I know who chose to go with BMX did so because they didn't want the asymmetry and frankly...we didn't need the breast anymore? It felt like part of developing a "new normal" and moving past the initial fear, a way of taking what control we can of our life. This article makes it sound like the "professionals" need to enlighten the masses of women who just don't know that BMX doesn't improve survivability and if we just understood we wouldn't do it, which may be true for some but not all? Oh well...hope I haven't offended anyone, enough of my rant...

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited January 2017

    Maureen, that's an interesting and understandable perspective. We'll be happy to share with our editorial team to see if they'd like to amend the article to touch on the points you make.

    Thank you for commenting!

    --The Mods

  • gracie22
    gracie22 Member Posts: 229
    edited January 2017

    Maureen1, totally agree and am also tired of this discussion. Asymmetry is a big thing, especially to women with large breasts. Also a big thing: many BC people cannot abide the thought of ramped up surveillance of "the healthy breast". The anxiety and expense of the tests themselves, the waiting period for results which are sometimes inconclusive and lead to yet more biopsies and stress, all add up to years of nuisance and fear that are also a big component of the choice for BMX, regardless of its impact on future cancer consequences. I agree that patients should be making informed decisions about BMX, and that they should understand whether the procedure is statistically helpful if the goal is simply recurrence prevention in the unaffected breast, but the decision is about way, way more than that. As Maureen says, it is about trying to get back to some semblance of normal in terms of appearance and test reliance. The mammogram/ultrasound/biopsy treadmill is not a fun place. Surveillance is still needed post mast, but it is less fraught and more straightforward.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited January 2017

    I also am so tired of "researchers" being "surprised" that so many women choose this. The women were "younger" and "more educated". The fact that they're younger means they have many more years to have BC (and youger women with BC are statistically at higher risk of adverse outcomes) and the fact that they're more educated means that they likely did a lot of research before making the decision that's the best for THEM...not best for their friend, their neighbor, their doctor, or anyone else. I researched my surgery decision for a long time, told my surgeon my reasoning (I had a lengthy list of reasons) and he agreed with every one of my reasons. My mom who had BC in 1992 had a unilateral mastectomy. They did not do BMX then. She had a new primary last year. You can bet she would have appreciated the opportunity for BMX in 1992.


    Uninformed fear??? Here are just a few of my VERY informed reasons:

    1. Even though I tested negative for BRCA, I have a mom who had BC, an aunt who died of BC, a grandfather who had bladder and liver cancer, a great grandfather who had stomach cancer, and a dad (who was adopted) who had prostate cancer. (As stated above, my mom has since had BC in her contralateral breast)

    2. I was an A cup. That's being generous. If you took the lump, you were taking 90% of the breast. My breasts were tiny and deflated from breastfeeding 3 kids for a year plus each. Mastectomy was the logical choice. To have any chance at having equal "breasts", I would have had to have an implant in the other breast, as well as an implant in the breast that was cancerous. Given my family history, my young age, and the fact that I'd already had multiple biopsies for lumps, I chose BMX. My team was fabulous and I am very happy with the outcome surgically and aesthetically. I feel better about my body now than I did previously. Given the fact that my cancer has not "behaved", I've been told numerous times that BMX was a good choice.

    I am very aware that BMX does not improve my survivability. I knew this from my research adn my doctor and I discussed it when speaking about all options. My decision was well researched and well informed. Those researchers need to get off of their pedestals for a minute and actually SPEAK to the women that made the decision for BMX and perhaps they'll better understand, that the surgical decisions were both well researched and well informed. I believe it is the researchers who are the ignorant ones here; making assumptions that their patients are ill informed and uneducated. I am grateful to have been treated by a surgical team who supported my decisions. Articles like this burn me up every time I read them.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited January 2017

    Yes - Yes - Yes!!! I'm in agreement. I didn't want to deal with asymmetry. I didn't want to worry about on-going testing on the one that was left. I wanted my life to go on and be easier. I wanted to pull my cloths on in the morning & sing about the day ahead. It does matter that they found plenty of DCIS tumors in the "good" breast once they lopped it off - so thank heavens. If doesn't matter that I had a recurrence in a lymph node up by my collar bone. I made an informed decision and I've always been very pleased with my choice.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited January 2017

    Hi!

    As someone who chose a lumpectomy, I would like to applaud the article for recommending that people really take their time in making their decisions about surgery, regardless of what they choose. I remember that when I was first diagnosed, my immediate thought was "Lop them off!" But, I ended up having to do neoadjuvant chemo for five months. During those months, I had the time to really think about my decision about surgery. I also had time to get my BRCA results back, and to research reconstruction. It sounds like others responding to the article did take the time and did have good reasons for choosing BMX. But, I still remember that first sense of panic and my reaction to the cancer news. No one should make a panicked decision!

  • TexJerseyGirl
    TexJerseyGirl Member Posts: 19
    edited January 2017

    Add me to the list of people sick of this garbage. I laughed in disgust when I first read the articles on this topic a couple of years ago. When I got diagnosed I was 49, fit, active and single. Was looking forward to starting to date again. My first reaction upon hearing that I needed a mastectomy was not fear of death or recurrence, but fear of coming out the other end of this thing looking like Frankenstein and spending the rest of my life alone. There was absolutely nothing any doctor could tell me to convince me that they could make the reconstructed breast look like real one...not after spending 4 days looking at pictures of reconstructed breasts online between my BIRADS 5 radiology assessment and first consult with the breast surgeon. She tried to explain to me the statistics about single vs double mastectomy....was having none of it. First consult I had with a plastic surgeon he tried to lecture me about the unethical practice of removing a healthy breast and that he knew colleagues who wouldn't do it. I found a surgeon who would.


    If BCO wants to advocate for breast cancer patients, why not try educating your colleagues to get a clue.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited January 2017

    Hi all -- this is from our Senior Editor:

    Dear Maureen1 and all:

    Thanks for your comments on the bilateral mastectomy Research News story. I'm definitely not offended by your comments and always appreciate input from our site visitors!

    I did try to cover all the other reasons that women might chose double mastectomy in the first sentence of the second to last paragraph: "At Breastcancer.org, we support every woman's right to make treatment decisions based on the characteristics of the cancer she's been diagnosed with, her medical history, her risk of recurrence or a new breast cancer, and her personal preferences."

    I used "personal preferences" as a catch-all for the other reasons a woman might chose double mastectomy. Because asymmetry wasn't reported as a decision-making factor in the study, I feel like I would be misrepresenting the research if I mentioned something so specific. Does that make sense?

    I certainly appreciate your point. I know that there are many good reasons for choosing contralateral double mastectomy that have nothing do do with fear. That said, it is interesting to see how the rates of contralateral double mastectomy have gone up in recent years. Another study suggests that this may be linked to the surgical choices made by celebrities, including Angelina Jolie and Christina Applegate.

    It's also striking that nearly half the women without a genetic mutation reported that their doctor made no recommendation about surgery. It seems like it is part of the doctor's job to talk to a woman about her options and explain each one. Clearly, this isn't happening.

    At Breastcancer.org, we support every woman's right to select the surgery that is right for her unique situation. But we do want her to be aware of all the risks and benefits of each choice and encourage her to talk to her doctor about all of them.

    Again, thank you for your input.
    Jamie DePolo
    Senior Editor

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited January 2017

    A couple of additional things. My understanding is, the studies mentioned only looked at overall survival. In addition to overall survival that is apparently about the same whether you do mastectomy or lumpectomy women also consider how much trouble it is going to be to keep the "healthy" breast that in many cases is not that healthy at all. What many of us are told, is that radiologist can continue monitoring the other side which means mammos/scannings every six months with additional testing quite likely often resulting in more biopsies, etc. and that is pretty much for the rest of your life.

    I would like to see the concept of overall survival and how it is calculated on the referenced studies, explained in details and links to most recent studies related to this subject.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited January 2017

    I did not give a rip what Angelina Jolie or any other celebrity did. Rates of younger women being diagnosed with breast cancer are rising, so it makes sense that bilateral mastectomies are rising. The article also said that these women were more likely to have a family history of breast cancer than other women. DUH. If they have a family history, are diagnosed at a young age, and take the time to educate themselves, it sounds like they made very well informed, sound decisions! Women also did not used to be given the option of BMX, so there's another reason not even mentioned in your research. Did they even consider that????????? Was this just a checklist, or did they actually sit down with women to discuss it? I am sure if they sat down with the women and looked at their individual circumstances, they would find that in the majority of the cases, the reasons were justified. If I was 80 years old, would I have had a BMX? Goodness no (but if someone wants to that's their decision). For me, the risks of infection, etc at that age would have outweighed the potential benefits. Age is a very rational factor to consider.

    My dad had prostate cancer. He had his prostate removed. There are articles that weigh whether men are being over treated for prostate cancer, but the articles always point to the physicians decisions. My dad had a say in his treatment, yet, never is the decision of men in their treatment questioned. Why is it that since we're women, it is okay to question our treatment decisions and say that they are out of "fear" and that they are not "educated" decisions? Why is it ok to assume that we made decisions based on what Angelina Jolie did? Do you know how demeaning and insulting this is???????

    If researchers would take the time to TALK to the women and not just treat us as numbers, percentages, and statistics, then they'd realize that we are educated individuals making decisions based on our unique circumstances. My cancer defied statistics and has not "behaved" as statistics say it should have. Thankfully I have a care team that treats me as a person and not a number/statistic, otherwise I'd probably be a statistic by now.

    One other thing that researchers in cubicles fail to understand. They always point to overall survival. They completely disregard the impact on one's life of new primaries and recurrences. I understand, it can be treated and may not affect overall survival odds, but enduring cancer treatment a second time is not as simple as picking up an Big Mac at a McDonalds drive thru. Just once, I would like to see a researcher acknowledge what enduring cancer treatment a second time entails, before just blowing it off and just considering overall survival.


    I have 2 friends who were recently diagnosed. I spent hours talking over the different surgery options with them. I helped them research different options, and encouraged them to discuss the pros and cons of all options specific to their individual situations, with their surgeons. Both chose lumpectomies and I support their decisions 100%; it was the best decision for them in their circumstance and I would not question it. Why then do researchers like this think it's ok to question the decisions of those who chose BMX?

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited January 2017

    I had no option for lumpectomy in my left breast. I had a doc who was able to get me a contralateral MRI. It revealed both IDC and a positive node that did not show on mammogram. Lumpectomy was not an option for that breast either. Because cancer was found in both breasts, my experience isn't represented in the samples for this article. If I had worse insurance or a less-concerned surgeon, I would have been. And I would have been very concerned about asymmetry and contralateral cancer. By the time it was detectable by mammogram, I would have been stage 3 or 4. Had I decided to have a prophylactic mastectomy, it would have been found at the stage at which I had the MRI.

    Stats are not people. Quality of life matters. Diagnosis is not always complete or accurate. Asymmetry in the best of circumstances is hard to manage. Stress contributes to poor health.


  • gracie22
    gracie22 Member Posts: 229
    edited January 2017

    Jamie, thank you for your response.The survey size was not very big, and that may be why the concerns listed by posters regarding symmetry and issues with ongoing "healthy breast" testing are not well represented. I also feel that patients, myself included (and probably a good amount of docs) take a patient's lack of genetic indicators with a grain of salt, especially when the patient has BC and/or other cancers in the family. BRACA and numerous other genetic mutations now discoverable by testing are likely the tip of the iceberg, so it is unsurprising that negative genetic testing does not have as big a wallop as researchers think it should. With the BC rate ever climbing (somewhat due to better diagnostics, but mostly due to it simply happening more), it is obvious to docs and patients that other things in modern lifestyles are contributing in ways that may never be fully understood. The highly educated patients in particular are very aware of this, so even those with both low/no family history and no obvious genetic indicators don't always take much solace in having no obvious genetic risk.

  • Lisey
    Lisey Member Posts: 1,053
    edited January 2017

    Why in the world would I want breasts that could potentially try to kill me again in the future? My boobs were huge.. they were cystic. They hurt! I'm THRILLED they are gone and I'm ticked doctors seem to think we women need breasts. Hell, I have never felt better now that they are gone. I think more women should consider Mastectomy rather than Lump + Rads. Talk about minimizing the side effects of Radiation.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited January 2017

    I'm on a roll today.....

    Lisey's post made me think again of my mom and it reminded me of a different issue, that no one mentions when deciding on surgery choices. Unlike me, my mom's breasts were huge. Her UMX and wearing a prosthesis for years left her with severe back pain for years and years because of the different "weight" of the two. Even though she looked even in clothes, it was different forces pulling in different ways. Now that she has had the other breast removed due to cancer, her back pain is significantly reduced and she's much, much more comfortable. I never hear mention of back pain when the discussion of what to do with the healthy breast comes up. I guess it's just something we're expected to "live with".

    Additionally, many women choose to keep the healthy breast, but have a reduction or an implant to make the breasts more symmetrical. This is an additional surgery (like removing the healthy breast), which adds risk of infection, etc. The risks of surgery including infection are often called unnecessary when dealing with a contralateral prophylactic mastectomy, but are never criticized when someone with UMX has them. Make no mistake, I am not criticizing UMX and plastic surgery on the healthy breast (or lumpectomy and surgery on the healthy breast). They are absolutely a women's right to have. I just get frustrated when the "risks" of surgery are always given as a reason women should not choose a BMX, but not mentioned in the other situations. I think the educated women do a lot more research that these (and other) researchers give them credit for. Perhaps talking more with them and understanding the real issues would give researchers a better understanding of this complex issue.

  • Lisey
    Lisey Member Posts: 1,053
    edited January 2017

    really great points kbee..

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited January 2017

    Agreed, KBeee.

  • jinmo
    jinmo Member Posts: 82
    edited January 2017

    I just had my BMX less than a week ago, and I am one of those women with DCIS where people say, well, why did you do that? Why not just get a lumpectomy since the survival rates are the same anyway?

    I'll tell you why. Because "not dead" is not the standard I am reaching for here. I don't give a hoot about the fact that mortality rates are similar over time.

    BMX/no recon was my best shot at jumping off the cancer treatment/monitoring/reconstruction merry-go-round, right here, right now, and I was willing to give up my breasts for that chance. A decision made after research and with my eyes open.

    I'm still waiting on pathology, so maybe I won't get to get off this carnival ride after all. We'll see. But I will know that I did the most I could to avoid necessity for future treatment & frightening monitoring for the rest of my life.

    Do I cry? Yes. Do I regret it? No.

    Edited to add: I am aware of my good luck in having this choice and this possibility. I do not have any intention of criticizing someone who makes a different decision. Everybody has to weigh their own options and decide. It is kind of weird, where the most minor diagnosis of DCIS led me down this path to a more major surgery but like I said, it is my one shot at avoidance of further treatment. I truly think that if I had a more significant diagnosis, I might have thought more about lumpectomy because I could not have avoided future treatment no matter what surgery I chose.

    All the best to all of you, these decisions are rough on us all.

  • obsolete
    obsolete Member Posts: 466
    edited March 2017

    Medicine is IMPERFECT.

    Breast imaging is imperfect.

    Surgery is imperfect.

    Pathology is imperfect.

    So mods, why the referenced article in subject on behalf of an IMPERFECT cancer industry? Insulting. Clueless. Condescending. Irrelevant. IMPERFECT.

    Mammograms, ultrasounds, MRI, surgeries and some pathologists missed multi-focal invasions. Only the final BMX surgery "enabled" them to find multiple invasive lesions in both breasts. IMPERFECTION.

  • Cubbie2015
    Cubbie2015 Member Posts: 875
    edited January 2017

    I heartily agree, Kbeee. This is such a personal decision. Like you, despite being negative for genetic factors there was a strong history of breast cancer in my family. I had a doctor at the university point out that there is probably some genetic thing going on that science has just not identified yet. Our rate is 25%, and after talking with my doctor, I realized that my chances of getting a new primary were still 25%. (Well, maybe less, because I'm now on hormonal therapy, but still.). There is no one cancer limit. I felt like we were lucky I had a low Oncotype and a relatively small tumor this time around, and I was concerned about what might happen next. For me my BMX was both treatment and preventative.

    Also, I had very dense breasts, so I was concerned about imaging finding future problems (I didn't like how far this one got before we caught it).

    I wanted to roll my eyes at docs who seemed to assume that if I had another primary 1) we'd catch it early and 2) it would not be aggressive. Like they'd fix me right up, no problem. To their credit, thought, everyone accepted my decision, and I had no problem getting the surgery.

    All that aside, you know what I think a big reason is for the increased rates of BMX? Insurance coverage for reconstruction. Years ago, I think more women opted for lumpectomies because it was the best compromise between treatment and losing your breasts altogether. Now that reconstruction is an option, women can afford to be more aggressive with surgical treatment, because reconstruction isn't just considered cosmetic anymore. And some of those women may feel that BMX is their best option medically.

    I'm going to stop now before I branch out into a rant about poorly designed studies, and insufficient data gathering, and on and on.

  • Angtee15
    Angtee15 Member Posts: 209
    edited January 2017

    Neoadjuvant chemo does have the benefit of giving you time to consider your options carefully. I started out assuming I would go with a lumpectomy. But as chemo wore on, the thought of going through it again along with my skepticism of "cancer math" brought me closer to the BMX decision. While she tried to steer me away from BMX, my BS didn't do a hard sell on the lumpectomy with me and said in the end it was my choice. And her nurse nodded approvingly when I said since my body already demonstrated an ability to grow an aggressive, rare cancer I didn't trust it to not happen again. I honestly didn't care about what stats for overall survival she was citing.I also had a Variant of Unknown Significance on the PTEN gene and have zero clue about my father and his family history. So that factored in a little.

    And then there was the Radiation Oncologist who told me right after diagnosis that a "sliver" of my heart would be in the way and get radiation. No thanks. After AC and rampant congestive heart failure among women on my mom's side (no BC though!) I really wanted to avoid it.

    My surgery and reconstruction has been fairly uneventful. I will be honest about my regrets. There were times during the process when you're just like man, I'd be done right now if I would have just gone with LX and rads! And I'm getting married soon..My old boobs would fill out the dresses so much better!!

    Regardless I did make the right choice for me.

    We are faced with such sh*tty choices either way. You just have to do your best and move on!!!


  • Cubbie2015
    Cubbie2015 Member Posts: 875
    edited January 2017

    Thats good, Anapola. My surgeon wanted me to think on my decision, and I wanted the BRCA testing, so we did that first, figuring the result would influence the surgeon's recommendation, and it would give me time to be sure. We already had some preliminary pathology from my biopsy, so my surgeon felt comfortable waiting for the results of the genetic testing before going to surgery. Everyone should make the choice that is best for them.

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited January 2017

    I very much wanted both breasts removed but both my MO and BS advised against it. My cancer was aggressive and they wanted to focus only on the breast with cancer. They did not want any chance of infection to delay treatment. I understood that and agreed. However, it's been 2 years now and I still would like to have my healthy breast removed. I've had pain in the breast. A mammogram and ultra sound showed no suspicious areas. The radiologist said my breast tissue is very dense. I am to have another mammogram and ultra sound in 6 months. 20 years ago I had an excisional biopsy in the healthy breast that showed ALH. Dense tissue, pain, history of ALH, lobular cancer in the other breast and the stress of undergoing testing and yet my MO says Medicare will not pay to remove a healthy breast. Really? I certainly can't afford to pay for a mastectomy on my own.

    I have to say that reading this report just made me wish I was given an option. I wasn't.

  • Cubbie2015
    Cubbie2015 Member Posts: 875
    edited January 2017

    KayaRose, I tried to find some information about Medicare and prophylactic mastectomies (and can I take a moment to say that Medicare's website and many of its guides are terrible?). The best information I found was this discussion right here on BCO.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/113/topic...

    And I'd also like to take a moment to say that this is a crappy situation, and a good example of why the idea of national healthcare in the US scares me more than our ridiculously expensive private system.

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited January 2017

    Cubbie, thanks for your efforts. I read the link you posted and it's pretty much what I've encountered. I will say this in defense of Medicare, all my treatments have been covered without question. Even Prolia was approved without a problem and I've read on this board that some private insurance companies are refusing to pay for it. That said, it is a government program and is sometimes difficult to make heads or tails out of coverage and why one thing is covered and another is not. They will pay for reconstruction (which I'm not interested in pursuing) but won't pay for a mastectomy of what I consider a high risk breast.

    As the link posted states, my own hope lies in my breast surgeon's abilities to get the procedure approved. At my next appointment with her, I'll try to get her on my side. She's a very compassionate and caring woman and will hopefully take up my cause.

  • BlueKoala
    BlueKoala Member Posts: 190
    edited January 2017

    I have only had a single mastectomy so far. However, I will be having the other side removed as well. My breast surgeon has told me that symmetry is a valid reason for removing a healthy breast, but she wants me to wait until I am recovered from the first round of surgery. Better to wait than to add extra risk of infection.
    My surgeon said from the outset that eventually I should be getting a double mastectomy to reduce my risk of a second primary, and I have been keen on it from the outset, mostly for symmetry. I don't want to be lopsided for the next thirty or forty years!
  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited January 2017

    Medicare paid for my BMX, removing my prophylactic breast w/o a biopsy. Pathology showed it was full of DCIS & some good sized tumors after the surgery. Maybe it was the MO who wrote the orders, but maybe the BS since she is a woman. There was never any question as far I knew. Good thing since that's the side where IDC recurrence popped up 2 years later in my lymph node. Medicare is also paying for my Prolia. In fact so far (knock wood) not one thing has been denied except a second Dexa scan before 2 years was up to see if I should go ahead with the Prolia. Medicare told me to have the doc resubmit noting I was a high risk patient and they paid that too. That said - I have traditional Medicare and not a Medicare Avantage (HMO) plan. I don't know if that makes a difference.

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited January 2017

    I have traditional Medicare, too. I haven't had any treatment denied either. I know one thing, this next mammogram and ultra sound is the last one I plan on going through. Can't take the stress anymore. I want the breast removed and my surgeon won't do it, I'll look for one that will. It really helps hearing everyone's experiences. Thanks.

  • Bluebirdgirl
    Bluebirdgirl Member Posts: 115
    edited January 2017

    yes!!!!! i couldn't agree more with all the comments made. I'm sick and tired of hearing why did you get a BMX? You were stage zero. Well, I'm young, family history, dense breasts, grade 3 with comedo necrosis, that's why! And I didn't want to deal with the stress of mammos and biopsies and fear. Screw that. But why should I have to explain it? My sister's husband said there is no way my surgeon recommended a BMX. Well, guess what, he did! And I had already made up my mind that's what I wanted anyway. I feel almost discriminated against sometimes for my choice. I do not regret it one bit. All the focus is on survival. There's more toit than that. There is quality of life. This really hit a nerve with me and I'm so happy to read the responses from everyone.

  • Jiffrig
    Jiffrig Member Posts: 232
    edited January 2017

    I cannot believe that number is not much higher. With insurance paying for everything, it seems amazing more women do not opt for bmx. The doctors insist lumpectomies are just as good with radiation, but what about the other breast? You see so many women on these boards that have lumpectomy and then mastectomy. I guess fear of surgery. I could not leave with fear that I did not do everything possible to avoid reoccurance

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited January 2017

    There are a lot of really good reasons women opt for lumpectomies, and they're very appropriate in many cases, but doctors and researchersshould not be criticizing women who opt for BMX.

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