Just Diagnosed--ILC

EastcoastTS
EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864

First off, THANKS to all who post here, because I've acquired a semester's worth of unwanted breast cancer knowledge in the past 8 days (since dx). And it's really helped me somewhat determine what I should do and how to manage this storm I find myself in. Educate thy self. Apologies in advance for the long post and if it seems as if I am rambling. Would love feedback on areas where you can contribute. I'm appreciative!

*I don't have a signature yet -- but will complete once I figure out how to do that!*

My details:

49, ILC, Left, Grade 2 (Nottingham: 6/9, mitotic 1), MRI sizing: 11x11x8mm, ER+ (99%), PR+ (99%), HER2- (FISH). Due to being on low-estrogen birth control for control of peri-M symptoms, I have no idea if I'm pre/post. No periods in a few years.

Diagnosed after I found a bb- or pea-sized lump. I was getting diagnostic mammograms every year due to mom (dx @ 73, ILC, triple negative BRCA-). I directed the technician via US to the spot. MRI a week following. I met with a BS today at a middling-ranked cancer hospital and other appts scheduled there next week (genetics, MO, plastics). Not teaching hospital. However, my 2nd set of appts is with MD Anderson week of 23rd. I'm just not messing around with this. Due to some BS comments today, I will probably do surgery at Anderson. I am, according to this BS, candidate for lump or mast. Nipple/skin-saving is cool if I go that route.

My concerns at the present:

  • MRI found nothing else tumor-wise (clear right breast) BUT it did find "in left axilla, a lymph node which appears to be increased in cortical thickness -- up to 5mm -- indeterminate".
    • The BS looked at films and said she expects this to not be anything but reactionary but wants US on this area + maybe biopsy. My breast did go kinda haywire from the biopsy. Not painful at all for those who have one coming up someday for first time (!) but like it turned electric. Zip, zap. The original US found nothing in nodes on that side, btw.
    • I just read something on this forum about not doing biopsy to somehow possibly avoid axillary. But not sure about that.
  • MRI: "Posterior margin of the mass is in direct contact with pectoralis muscle without intervening fat plane -- however, no evidence of abnormal area of pec to suggest invasion."
    • BS also thinks no biggie here and will have to just take a little muscle maybe at most. I guess you really don't know what you have until surgery. (Tiny yikes due to stage going up if involved in chest wall.)
  • BS said -- and I know this is going to steam a bunch of you -- "We treat ILC like we treat IDC". Not kidding you. My husband wrote this down and put !!! next to the statement because we have been reading on this like mad since last week. So -- that did not sit well with me though her treatment plan was pretty much what I've come to believe I may be headed for from research. (Surgery, rad, hormone if no node involvement)
  • I asked what post-plan for surveillance is. She said that it's mammogram at 6 months out, then she and OM switch off: every 6-months with one of them. I questioned this because: guess what? My mammos have been "occult" to date. Meaning, they didn't catch this tumor with mammo in 9 yrs including the most recent, and would likely not have caught even with the US if I had not directed them to the spot. She told me this. I am VERY small-chested (AA or A) and that's the only reason I caught it. My mother's post plan in Myrtle Beach, SC was better than this. Is that typical? She said MRIs catch things and add to more biopsy but yes, they also catch cancer!

Sorry for length but I waited until I had info to post. I would be very interested in anyone who is small-chested (private message fine, too) on how things went. I don't want larger. But understand even with lump may have reconstruction. For those of you who have gone flat and loved it, I've always been perky/flat and quite happy! Perfect boobs for snowboarding. ;)

T

Comments

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited January 2017

    Well my situation was similar, I had two 1cm tumors one ILC and one IDC, nottingham 5 & 6 respectively. My mitotic rate was 1 in each case. I also was told treat IDC same as ILC. I was post menopausal. Er 95% and Pr less than 1% her2 negative. My oncodx was 34, but I chose no chemo and did a mastectomy no radiation and AI drugs.

    Five years out doing ok, AI drugs I believe helped keep the cancer away. I had a DIEP reconstruction looks good matches my real side. I did not have skin sparing mx because tumors were close to the surface.

    Good luck to you

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited January 2017

    Thanks, Meow13. I discussed Oncotype with the BS today (although I believe it's MO discussion) and understand this could have implications based on score. And also briefly discussed ovarian ablation then heading into AI as option maybe (which I don't know that/that much about but would certainly consider if MO felt good plan).

    SO many decisions to make coming up...

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited January 2017

    Are you asking for genetic counseling? A diagnosis so young (under age 50!) should qualify, especially with family history. Depending on when your mom's BRCA assessment was done, there may need to be further analysis such as rearrangement testing or use of a broader panel to see if some other mutation can be found.

    That information could inflence the lump vs mastectomy and ovarian removal decisions as well as help consider whether radiation should be avoided. When DNA repair genes are defective, the tissue damage that occurs is potentially more serious since cells cannot fix themselves which sets the stage for local recurrence to develop.

    You are certainly doing a fabulous job on educating yourself. How great to have hubby along as note taker at appointments. My personal inclination might be to choose MD Anderson due to their excellent reputation. Don't be overwhelmed by the big campus/large institutional environment. I switched from a local community hospital to an academic medical center because of surgical expertise. It's good if you can select the best health care available.

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited January 2017

    I'm sorry you are here. Until pathology and surgery are done, I would not assume anything the surgeon or the diagnostic equipment told you is correct till "it is in the dish" and examined. Can't tell you how many of us were told one thing only to have it be something else entirely. Once you know what you're dealing with, it is easier to make decisions. You are going to great surgical/hospital facilities and hopefully someone there understands that ILC and IDC are nothing alike.

    OnctotypeDX or mammoprint or any of hte others are just more information in your arsenal to make decisions. THey guide you but don't necessarily force you to do anything than what your doctors have discussed ...at this point.

    i wish you luck on this horrible journey. The trip no one wishes to take.

    As you can see by my stats, I was a month shy of 50, so also 49. My BRCA came back negative even though my dad was Ashkenazi Jewish. No cancer in my family. I was told my tumor would be 7mm and it ended up being 1.8cm. I was also told mine would not be cancer, but it was. They don't know till they know and get in there so try not to plan too much until you know what you're planning for/with.

    Best to you!

  • sgreenarch
    sgreenarch Member Posts: 528
    edited January 2017

    HI, just chiming in to give you a breather. I was also 49 at dx. Seems like a common age. Also no family hx (though Ashkenazi Jewish on both sides,) and BRCA negative. Mine was found on a routine mammogram. Had an MRI which showed a second smaller tumor in same breast. Had unimastectomy and ended up never doing reconstruction and I'm ok with this. (Had mx because the tumors were remote to each other and would've left not much breast.) Had oncotype, 17, so no chemo. Took tamoxifen for 2.5 years, then had oopherectomy and switched to an AI, Lestrozole. Also took bisphosphinates IV twice a year for first three years. I was OK on tamoxifen and am fine on AI. New plan is to be on hormonal treatment for 10 years in total. I changed my diet to be much healthier, swim and walk a lot, try not to sweat the small stuff and have a good quality of life. I do think that this is a big part of the whole picture as we can only do the best we can and it feels good to do that which is within our control.

    That first year is rough. Don't read too much online as you can torment yourself with half knowledge. Learn enough and then find a Dr and a center that you trust. They have a lot more experience in treating BC than you do. It's ok.

    Wishing you good luck. Hang in and pm for moral support if you need.

  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited January 2017

    Thanks for the support! I really appreciate it because...no one can understand this except someone who has gone through it. Sorry to say.

    Vlnrph: I'm asking for EVERYTHING on the consult side! LOL I am getting genetics done or at least have the appt scheduled. Guessing this will not be an issue -- and I don't mind pushing if it is. ;) My mother has also contacted her office to get more testing on her tumor from 2009. They have it but this will not be swift. But at least we'll have more info at some point from her side -- maybe not in time for my surgery decision though. I'm at Anderson next week and will have more to discuss then. My local BS was just all lump (which I may do) without really looking at my individual situation, whatever that may be. I felt.

    Wallycat: Agree. My mom's BS told me to expect it to be 1.5cm. So they often know (I bet) that it's going to be larger.

    Sgreenarch: I'm sticking strictly to this site pretty much. And medical texts. Trying to turn from negative info right now.

    My biggest stress today (once I learn more, seems biggest stress of the day changes) is: that I won't have good follow-up care. Idk why I feel this way. Or that I'll have to FIGHT for good follow-up care. Bloodwork, etc., etc. I don't even know what this will mean. Maybe cause the local BS was like: oh, mammos every year is fine. When I'm sorry, this will not be fine for me if I chose lump. But I'm great at pushing if I have to. But I hope I won't have to, you know?

    THANKS again for chiming in! Hope you are all doing well! I'm actually doing pretty good overall. I'm a happy camper usually -- but C does put a dent in that. I plan to return the favor for newbies when I can. And my team just won the national championship (Clemson) so there are sunny spots in this mess. My only real fear (real) is due to having a 9-year-old son. I know you guys get that one. Hope my darn signature works! I set it up.

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited January 2017

    Don't presume your tumor will be larger. Some gals actually ended up with smaller masses.

    I'm sad to say, "follow up" varies a great deal. We have had quite a few posts here with ladies asking what is being done.

    My oncologist doesn't believe in tumor markers (too many false results). I have no boobs to scan and even though I've suggested ultrasound, I remind myself that ultrasound never picked up my cancer when it was still in my body. Talk to the people at MD Anderson and then create a team you can trust. I dumped my first oncologist in WI because he treated me like a child and when I brought up scientific articles, he never heard of them. Bye-bye to him.

    I'm sorry you have a small son to add to your concerns. I was fortunate not to have kids, which was/is one less worry in that area.

    And your emotions will go up and down and around and round.....It is great to hear you have a strong support at home, the ability to travel for good care...and then like all of us, we sit and cross fingers and wait.

    Best to you!

  • tapwhite
    tapwhite Member Posts: 16
    edited January 2017

    I have a similar situation, diagnosed 12/20/16 with ILC Stage 1 at age 49. Had 2 Nodes removed 1\6\17 that came back clean on my 50th bday. Although I am relieved it is only Stage 1 with 0 nodes, I am still aware of the recurrence chance and how "sneaky" this type of BC is. I am the one that found the small mass and am told the only reason I was probably able to find it so early is because I have implants that makes my breasts firmer and my ILC was not deep. I'm worried I won't be so lucky if it comes back or if the other breast is really clear or is there something that's not being seen on imaging, so I am considering BMX but feel like doc's are thinking I'm overreacting. Àny thoughts?

  • Hokster
    Hokster Member Posts: 53
    edited January 2017

    I'm in a similar situation. My ILC was missed by a mammogram and MRI, and picked up by the ultrasound technician only because I insisted they hadn't found it and pointed them to the area. I had to perform acrobatic maneuvers for them to finally find it. Given this and the fact that I have very dense breasts, I also questioned a mastectomy and my surgeon was adamant that this would be a mistake and that a lumpectomy with radiation is as effective in minimizing recurrence. I requested a second opinion and he concurred. They were both categoric about it.

    Hope this helps!

  • Chriisstina
    Chriisstina Member Posts: 13
    edited January 2017

    Hello dear beautiful ladies

    I want to know some answers about the questions I have in my had.

    My mum is diagnosed with ILC 2.5 cm gade 2 with 12 nodes positive , now she is having chemo ...but I am so worried anxious about those positive nodes , do you know any survivors with so many positive nodes involved. Thank you , I wish you all happines and looong life ❤️


  • EastcoastTS
    EastcoastTS Member Posts: 864
    edited January 2017

    Similar situation to how mine was found: I found because (I think) I have very small breasts. I directed the US tech to the spot. BS admitted my mammo was occult -- and she may have even implied that without my direction, US would have missed! Then she turned around and said mammos for life! Ha ha. So -- I have more appts next week and have to make the call. I'm being told now that I have choice of either. I DON'T want a mast. Not because I'm attached to my breasts but because it is major surgery. But I don't want to make the wrong call, either. They ask you: if it came back, would you be appreciative of the extra time with your breasts? Um...hell no! ;)

    Good luck to all facing these challenges and thanks to those supporting us.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2017

    Chriisstina,

    Here's a link you might find helpful.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/67/topics...

  • VickiRides
    VickiRides Member Posts: 211
    edited January 2017

    I have alternating mammograms and MRIs as followup. I do each one yearly, but alternate every 6 months. I pushed for the MRIs because my yearly mammograms and ultrasounds did not find my tumors (dense breasts).

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