13 years out from stage 3a BC. Its back other side

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Hi everyone;


I have not been here for awhile, but this forum was a life saver to me at one time.

13 years ago in March I was diagnosed with stage 3a BC with ER+PR+ Her- 7 cm tumor, grade 3, 2 lymph nodes. I had mastectomy, chemo and radiation. Then a hysterectomy, oophorectomy and 2 years tamoxifen, 4 years aromasin.

No recurrance since. NED.

Until today. I went for my routine yearly mammogram on my remaining breast. After they took the pictures, they unexpectedly said they wanted to do an ultrasound too. After that, the radiologist came into the room and told me that I had two "nodules" and they looked very worrisome, especially one of them. They booked me for an immediate biopsy this Friday which is quick for Canada.

So I am freaked out. FREAKED OUT. It was a shock and stunner because I have no lumps or changes or nothing.

Anyone else have this experience?


Wendy

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  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited January 2017

    Wendy - so sorry you have to do this again. I had a double mastectomy the first time and supposedly didn't need any chemo or rads. But did have a recurrence to my lymph nodes by my collar bone two years later. Hopefully the scan is just seeing changes in the tissue. I'm sure someone else will post that has a closer diagnosis. Hang in there girl.

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited January 2017

    Hi


    Thanks for replying. I am sorry to hear about your recurrance. Are you NED now?


    I want to believe that it is just tissue changes, but the radiologist was confident it was cancer. I asked him and he said yes. But, I do need biopsy to confirm....

    Thanks.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited January 2017

    Yes, I've been NED now for two years and hope to remain so. Please let us know how after you get the biopsy results. We'll be keeping you in our thoughts.

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited January 2017

    I just got to put my two cents down here.

    I had bilateral masectomy surgery 2005. Yes... 2005 with implant over pec.

    I was scheduled to have tram but PS looked at me and said youve lost to much weight let's do lats with implants.) I was kinda relieved because I never did like the idea of losing AB muscle strength thru a tram)

    I said I am extremely active and don't want to to lose lat Strength. He said ok. NEVER DONE this but I'm trying a implant over your very very scarred radiated breast on top of pec.(I got most radiation sessions anyone can get)

    IT WORKED....we stretched skin so very S L O W like over six months or way longer,it was only a bit tight when he filled TEs so slow. then exchanged with B round size salines.

    Because my surgery was at a university teaching sch I got less than perfect looking boobs from a students first plastic surgery as my PS guided him but I also blame that on that I had a hockey puck size lump growing far into the chestwall and they had to carve away so deeply. They are not pretty but they fill my bra up and at my age that is all I wanted. I could get them done prettier but I have no pain issues now and dont want to stir up things maybe making it worse.

    I have FULL range of motion but do have wear and tear shoulder problems from years before BC not because of implant surgery which I am now dealing with. I exercise my upper body with caution and but live a full active life. My problem is lymphedema which I am very careful to not over exert to cause a flare up and I am on a special weightlifting program called PAL. Life is good with my implant over pecs!

    I often wonder if my PS was the pioneer on this and me being the first patient ever!

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited January 2017

    Sorry girls I had to delete as I posted on wrong thread. Dang

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited January 2017

    So I went for my biopsy today and was told that there are more lesions in my breast than they originally thought and I need an MRI of my whole breast to determine how extensive they are.

    The radiologist did say it is a recurrance, not a new cancer, and that I need a team of cancer specialists because it looks like the cancer is "complex".

    He did biopsy one of the lesions (the one that looked the "most worrisome") and called my family doctor to set the wheels in motion for a treatment plan. My family doctor called me, said he looked at the images, said it looked bad.


    sigh




  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited January 2017

    Without biopsy, they really can't tell too well if it is a recurrence or a new primary; either way it sucks. Hate that you are dealing with this again. Keep us posted

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited January 2017

    Thanks. It does majorally suck that I am dealling with this again. I did not think it would be so emotionally difficult the second time around. I mean, the first time was devastating enough. I did not think it was possible to feel worse than that.


    Sigh again. I will see what unfolds over the next few weeks. Hopefully, it is not as "bad" as they are suggesting.



  • Optimist52
    Optimist52 Member Posts: 302
    edited January 2017

    Hi wallan, so sorry you are dealing with this again. I had a new ILC in same breast as before about 12 years on. The emotional punch was different, worse in some ways, a little better in others as my kids are older now and when they were young I found it very difficult. When I found this website soon after the second diagnosis in 2015, it really improved things for me because I didn't feel so 'alone' anymore. I have learnt so much on these discussion boards and gained strength from others. I've also become immensely more knowledgeable about my type of BC which for me is beneficial. Sending you best wishes for your treatment and recovery. A lot has improved in the last 13 years.

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited January 2017

    Hey thanks for replying.


    I love these boards. The first time around the women here offered so much hope and inspiration it got me thru it.

    That is why I came back.

    How are you now after your second time around?


  • Optimist52
    Optimist52 Member Posts: 302
    edited January 2017

    wallan, I'm pretty good now. It wasn't easy 18 months ago with the second diagnosis (4cm ILC tumour missed for years on annual mammograms and ultrasounds). I'm on letrozole now which I'm tolerating. I'm doing six monthly surveillance with MRI alternating with mammo/US, due for mammo in Feb. I'm now planning to do the Color Genomics genetic testing and if positive for a mutation, I will have a prophylactic mastectomy of right breast. None of this is easy as you know.

    Another big difference the second time was that I told far fewer friends and family because I found the first time that many people are highly insensitive and ignorant about breast cancer! Have not regretted this yet. Hope your biopsy results are going to be as good as possible.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited January 2017

    wallen, this must a very difficult weekend for you. Thinking good thoughts on your biopsy results.

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited January 2017

    Thanks Meow13. It is a very difficult weekend. Very.

    And Optimist52 thanks for letting me know your experiences. How frustrating that the tumors were missed with your imaging. I had that happen to me the first time.

    This time I am not sure what to think. I am trying to be calm for my familys sake, but I must admit, I am freaking terrified.

    It is good to hear of women who are coming out the other side.



  • Kayla250
    Kayla250 Member Posts: 201
    edited January 2017

    wallan, you sound almost identical to my situation. Although, the radiologist didn't talk to me directly after the ultrasound, I think I'm glad he didn't, I wouldn't want to hear the word worrisome from his mouth. My family doc called me in a couple days later and read a very formal report and said that reoccurrence cannot be ruled out. My surgeon is away til the beginning of February. Here's hoping we are both benign.

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited January 2017

    Hey kayla250:

    Well, my pathology came back and it is cancer. IDC very small. I see a surgeon on Tuesday. Also I am getting an MRI on Tuesday too. I had other lesions in my breast that they did not biopsy. 6AM in the morning for the MRI (I know, right?) and then 1:30 PM for the surgeon. The two appts were booked completely independently of each other so I don't know if the surgeon will have the MRI results by the time I get there. I am asking for a mastectomy. I don't want any biopsies of other lumps or no lumps with no biopsies or anything like that. I might as well get a mastectomy and match the other side. (I had a mastectomy last time on the right). I am for the first time thinking I may get reconstruction too.

    I am relieved that I know for sure now and can move forward. My anxieties have lessened because there are appointments. My family is freaking out, but I feel more hopeful than I did. Chatting with ladies on these boards is pure gold.


    Good luck to you kayla250. Let me know what happens with you.

    wallan

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited January 2017

    I am glad you have appointments on the books. I found cancer easier (for the most part) physically the second time around, because I knew what to expect and how to deal with things; I also only had 17 months before mine though. Emotionally it was much harder, because you're not waiting for hte other shoe to drop...it dropped. Moving forward is more challenging, but taking things a day at a time and staying distracted really helps.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited January 2017

    KBee - agreed. It's easier to go forward physically and get the treatment started or completed since we've been there. It's harder to move forward emotionally again since as you say, the shoe has dropped. And now we know it can drop - and drop on us. What are the chances of it not dropping a third time? I still find it hard to make long term plans since my recurrence and two years after active treatment. Even things like planning a vacation in several months is a pain in the neck. One day at a time works for me - or at lease one time commitments. So today I will ignore the dust & not vacuum either.

    Wallen - thinking of you.

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited January 2017

    Kbeee: Thanks for much. You validate my feelings. I am struggling emotionally. I have taken time off work already because I am so upset. My family is upset cancer came back, but their well meaning words now are "whats the big deal... you did it once, you can do it again and it will be fine"

    What they don't get is that I now know the horror of treatment and I am finding it difficult to face having to go thru it again. And the reality that cancer is here again and may be here to stay, meaning ongoing treatment.

    I am though trying to be optimist and hopeful and am gathering strength to move forward. I am acting this way in front of my family because if I am too upset, they freak out. And then that gets me more upset. So, its a roller coaster. As you know :)

    You are right in the distraction and one day at a time. It helps. I just have to remind myself of it. Its early days for me and I do know i will adapt and adjust and move forward . I see you ladies doing it and I know then I can do it too. I really mean it when I say thank god for these boards.

    wallan



  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited January 2017

    Wallan, Feel free to PM me ANYTIME. I do truly understand. I had a few friends that took me out to distract me shortly after I was diagnosed the second time and they were so well meaning and I do so appreciate their effort, but I was a bit down that night and they were like "What's wrong? You can do this!!" There was no doubt I could, but while they were all talking about their plans for spring break, etc, I was thinking about how my kids were going to miss out on that because of my diagnosis. I was thinking about surgery, chemo, etc and what my next year entailed. It was overwhelming. It was very, very hard and it was really hard to explain to people. 3 of us from my Sept 2013 chemo group had recurrences at the same time, and we spent many hours messaging back and forth. They absolutely saved my sanity. I tried to shied my kids my feelings, so when I was down, I went for really long walks. They really helped. I took extra long showers too...great place to cry undetected. I still take my long walks or long showers when I just need me time to gather my thoughts. I can say that once I was in the midst of treatment, it was MUCH better than the time between diagnosis and treatment. I think you're in the hardest phase right now. I also found it much easier to "chunk" things. Other than right beofre treatment, I never looked way ahead at the long picture. I focused on my surgery, then on AC, then on Taxol, then on radiation. I just chunked it and conquered one chunk at a time. This was SO much easier to do and WAY less overwhelming once I knew my whole treatment plan.

    I did also set other goals for my self. I am an avid runner, so I decided I would run and/or walk (or crawl) a few races, I decided on a few craft projects, and I had a couple gardening projects. We also had set up a few weekend trips. Focusing on these allowed me to plan some things and they were fun distractions. It was much more fun researching fun things to do for a weekend away than it was to focus on the other things I was facing.

  • Kayla250
    Kayla250 Member Posts: 201
    edited January 2017

    to: wallan. I'm so sorry...I know that there must be relief from the anxiety of waiting, but the news of recurrence must be horrible. I am torn between the two, unless of course it's good news. I know my first diagnosis was harder on family and friends tha it was on me...I'm not sure why; so hopefully (if) it'll the same way. The speed at which you medical team is going is amazing! Although 6am? wow

    I decided last night (when I couldn't sleep) that if it is malignant I will choose mastectomy both sides. Be strong, know I'm thinking of you. I'll follow your progress.

    Kbeee, it is so nice to know there are people around that know Exactly what we go through.

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited January 2017

    Hey Kayla and Kbeee:..


    Thanks so much for your kind words.

    Thank God there are women like you!


  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited January 2017

    oh my gosh Wendy, I am so sorry you are dealing with this crap again. I wish I could give you a big hug, and take away all of it.

    My only advice is get that boob off and just keep one foot ahead of the other.. Recurrences to the contra lateral breast normally is just that breast, esp given your hx.

    I wish you only good news moving on, and a fast track through this.

    Hugs,

    Linda

  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited January 2017

    Wallan.....wow....so sorry about this.....thinking about you. I really do hope you get the best news possible.

    I know you know this.....but once you get your plan in place things will hopefully get better. Altho no one wants to do this a second time.... I get it.

    Hang in there.

    Jacqueline


  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited January 2017

    Hey Linda and Jacqueline:

    Thanks. I didn't know that recurrances to the other breast were contained normally to the breast. The lesion they biopsed was tiny. But I have other lesions they saw on the ultrasound but did not biopsy. That is why I am having the MRI.

    Its terrifying to think its worse than early stage - I am hanging on to the idea that there is only one tiny spot that is malignant. I am hoping its a new primary and not a recurrance. Although, the radiologist told me it was a recurrance and I need a cancer centre with a team of specialists for treatment because my cancer is "complex". He said they can't treat my cancer at the local hospital. Which was terrifying to hear. But then my family doctor later on told me it was a tiny spot and easily treated. So, I don't know. I want to hang on to that.

    I will know more after the MRI.


  • TwoHobbies
    TwoHobbies Member Posts: 2,118
    edited January 2017

    Wallan I am also a recurrence and understand completely how you feel. I think your radiologists advise to go to a bigger center is good advise because they have more experience and are up on the latest, but dont read too much into his terms. I have had a couple of scenarios where radiologists scared me to death and they were wrong. Hold onto hope that it is contained in the breast- right now you only know you have one small tumor.

    When I would get really down or a lot of anxiety I would go to youtube and look for "healing meditations". They sounded a little corny but it really helped calm me down. The other thing I did is note what you are doing when you feel bad an stop doing it. If you catch a moment when you are feeling OK, note that and do more of that.

    Kbeee is totally right on "chunking it out". What do you have to do the next few weeks, then onto the next step.


  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited January 2017

    Thanks Twohobbies.

    How are u doing now?


  • TwoHobbies
    TwoHobbies Member Posts: 2,118
    edited January 2017

    Wallan I am doing well. I had a scare last summer with an enlarged lymph node under the other opposite arm. It looked scary on ultrasound but was negative. I focus on exercising, eating healthy and trying to be happy and stress free each day, although the stress free part is by no means accomplished yet! I may never feel out of the woods completly but slightly optomistic!

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