Mom Recently DX But Treated for TN
Hello All and HAPPY NEW YEARS!
I've been a lurker for a couple weeks now reading the amazing advice and support you all have for each other. I'm so grateful for this community.
My mom has been recently dx with IDC on her left breast. Her tumor is about 3 cm (CT scan says roughly 2.8 cm but I guess the BS rounded it). Her BS was also grew suspicious because her left armpit seemed to have a large lymph node. She did an ultrasound on the lymph node and it was inconclusive. She did a biopsy and results came back benign on the enlarged lymph node but the CT scan results said "left lymph node is prominent than the right side." So they can't determine if it's cancerous or if she's stage 2 or 3 which is quite frustrating because the survival percentage depend on the stage. CT scan results just stated that the tumor was in the left breast. Her test results also shown she tested negative for hormone receptive and positive for ER. Her ER was only 5% and her KI-67 is 67% so the oncologist said she is going to treat her cancer as she would with a triple negative patient. My mom has been pretty depressed about and so has the rest of our family. My mom initially didn't want to do chemo and just wanted the surgery but based on her results, the oncologist says that chemo is her best option and recommends her doing chemo first before the surgery and radiation. Oncologist mentioned with just surgery and radiation, the cancer will be likely to return by 50%.
I've read some scary things about TN...how it's more aggressive, harder to treat, and higher chance of reoccurence within 3 years. However, reading many of your posts have given hopes. Chemo sounds sooo scary but I've many of your posts and some made it seem it is doable and/or didn't experience too many side effects. I passed that info to my mom and she feels much better doing chemo. She will have a port a cath put in next week. I think she's worried of that because Feb 2015 she had a heart attack and had to have a stent put in. She's hoping that the port a cath and chemo won't be affected but I guess that's always a possibly.
Anyone having similar experiences to my mom's? Any advice as to how to prepare for chemo or any other helpful info that I can pass along to my mom? Reading y'alls survival stories has given me high hopes!! You ALL are awesome and brave!!!
Thanks so much in advance! Have a Happy New Years and celebrate!!!!!!
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plum - You didn't mention your Mom's age or the kind of chemo they are considering. Some are harder on the heart than others, but rest assured the MO will be monitoring. I had regular Echocardiograms. It really is wonderful to read the stories of people who had neo-adjuvant chemo (before surgery) and the tumors either shrank significantly or were no longer seen on the scans. Even though I didn't have a pCR (complete response) before surgery, the chemo before made things much easier.
If you haven't talked to anyone about the port yet, tell her to draw a line with a magic marker where her bra & strap usually sit so they can try to put the port outside that area. I loved my Port. It was a "smart port", so they could do all the blood tests & contrast for scans that way. It made things so easy. If your Mom is going to start chemo the day after the port, be sure they leave the "dangles" for the connection so the infusion center doesn't have to access again right away. And get some Emla cream (lidocane) to rub on the skin over the port each time so she won't feel the access needles.
I'll dig out the tips for chemo thread & post it, but you probably don't want to share that with your Mother until you know more about here chemo drugs.
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Plum - here's the link for the thread on 'tips for chemo'. Don't let it scare you. It can be done. You might consider joining one of the current chemo threads (starting in January) or even reading through the December thread. it's easier to manage when you're talking to others in the same boat. Good luck.
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Thanks for your response MinusTwo!
My mom is 56 years old. The onc has not told her which chemo she'll be on. I'm guessing she's waiting until this Friday to tell her since that is her start date. My mom is a pharm tech so of course she wants to know now so she can research it. My mom had her port put it this morning and it was successful! My dad said she's doing fine just drowsy. I heard that essential oils are good for minimizing side effects. I went ahead and bought some: franckinsense, rosemary, and lemongrass along with a diffuser. Have any of y'all used essential oils during your treatment? If so, did it help any?
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Hi Plum- I'm fairly similar to your mom. KI67 was 90% for me, ER and HER2 -, PR was 15%. I too did chemo first (drugs below) and I'm now awaiting surgery. I was shocked at first as it seemed like the typical routine was surgery first, however, I was actually happy they could get the drugs in and start "killing" anything floating outside of my breast. From what I'm hearing (hopefully) I've got the worst part behind me. It's doable!
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Hi ajbclan! Thanks for your response. I've seen a lot of post of people being that chemo is doable. Those are the things I go back and tell my mom to calm down nerves and remain positive. Did you have any serious side effects from the chemo?
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plum - absolutely everyone is different. That's the only universal with breast cancer. Everyone on this site has shared some side effects, but they usually effect each person a bit differently. And many have none of the things that others talk about but come up with something totally different. For example - side effects of chemo are diarrhea, or constipation (the exact opposite - duh), or you may have no change in bowel habits. Another example - nausea & vomiting is a side effect of most chemo drugs. I never had even one small twinge of either. It's good to be prepared, but not scared to death before you even start the process. If you look at ongoing chemo threads by month or season, you'll see discussions of most of the side effects. Many people who have no major problems, never post here after tx so you can figure there are LOTS of success stories.
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everyone is different. I am relatively young and had terrible side effects from chemo. Many of the women who were at my cancer center were 30-40 years older than me ands ailed through chemo with minimal side effects. Just take it one day and one treatment at a time and continue to communicate with your oncologist about side effects. Your mom can do this! Chemo can make a dramatic difference in TNBC patients
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Hi plum
I'm the same age as your mum and had my chemo first - see my regime below. I know there are lots of scare stories about SE but I honestly found chemo doable. The EC was ok , tax and carbo a bit harder but I think the effects are cumulative and I got a chest infection near the end. I recommend eatIng well, keeping hydrated and getting a little exercise each day ( just a short walk) all of which helped me. I also achieved a complete pathological response (pCR) to chemo which was confirmed when it had my lumpectomy. So TN does respond v well to chemo.
Hugs to you and your mum
Chris
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Hi Plum I also found chemo. mostly OK, I was tired, but carried on working from home most days and only had a few issues. It does build up over each cycle but overall I felt it was well worth it. I also had a complete response. TNBC is scary, but treatable. I agree with the advice above, and would add icing of hands and feet during Taxol to reduce the risk of neuropathy which can be nasty and occasionally permanent. Best of luck!
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Hi ascot bi
Hi Scot bird, I'm in the UK too ( near Manchester) . Good to hear from a fellow brit😊. How did you find your radiotherapy? I've yet to start that , probably end jan. Were you able to work at the same time?
Chris
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Hi yes I worked from home. Radiotherapy was physically fine but emotionally I found it quite hard going to hospital daily and it's very undignified so be prepared! I felt tired for about 3 months after it finished (in August) and am now almost back to normal. Just need to build somestrength again in my muscles: I do feel as though I have aged a lot in one year but am improving all the time and am confident that in another year this will just be a distant memory. Good luck with yours. X
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Thank you all for your responses! And I'm glad that you're all doing well and returning back to your normal lives! My mom just had her first chemo this morning. So far so good but she know the SE will kick in soon. I bought some things like vitamins, energy add-ins for her water, unscented lotions, diffusers with essential oils to help with her energy levels and possible side effects. Your stories and positivity is making my mom remain positive!!
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Plumsunflower what a lovely daughter you are. Your Mom is so lucky to have you to help her and I know she will do fine with herchemo. Do look at the monthly thread for January chemo starters there will be lots of advice and support there from others who are at the same stage. X
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Hi plum sunflower
Hope your mum had relatively few SE from her first treatment. I thought I would mention that whilst I was having chemo my onc told me not to take vitamin supplements as he said they could reduce the effectiveness of the drugs. It may be worth checking
Chris xx
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Hi Scot bird
Thanks for that info. I haven't worked throughout my treatment as I'm a nurse and worried about the infection risk but I do intend to go back once radiotherapy is finished. I guess I will just have to be mindful that the tiredness will kick in and May last for a few months
Take care
Chris xx
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plumsunflower - I will second what ChrisAsh said. My oncologist reviewed my vitamins & supplements very carefully and I had to stop taking several of them for the duration of chemo. They counter act the benefits of chemo, in come cases stimulating cells to grow while the purpose of chemo is to kill them. I would check with your doc.
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I'm going to add my voice to the others--definitely clear any vitamins, supplements, etc. with her MO before beginning them.
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Oh wow! That's good to know about taking vitamins during chemo. I had actually bought my mom some multivitamins to help build her immune system but since she has her first check up tomorrow, I'll be sure to tell her to tell her oncologist if it's okay to take them. So far, she hasn't really experienced much SE besides the fatigue and a little bone pain here and there. Her oncologist said however she feels now is how she'll feel throughout her treatment but I've always heard the SE gradually increases during each round. Idk if she's just saying that or if it's true. She was still able to go to work. She said she has been feeling some tingly feeling in her left breast (where the tumor is). She's wondering if that's the medicine doing something to the tumor but I'm sure that's something she'd tell her doctor.
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I'm trying to do some research as to how reduce the chances of recurrence? I seen some women who changed their diet and increased exercise and are 5+ years while that did the same regime, still had the cancer come back. I noticed that other breast cancers have hormonal meds to take after they're done with treatment to help reduce the chances of recurrence. It seems like triple negative gals have to play the wait and see approach after treatments are over. Are there any survivor stories...I haven't seen too many stories?
Update on my mom...she is doing well. She will be going in for round #2 this coming Friday. So far she's been experiencing fatigue. She did mention that her breast had a tingly feeling. She asked the oncologist and she wasn't too sure. She said some patients have complained of the same thing or have said that their breast(s) feels warmer than usual. She think it just may be the chemo working it's magic shrinking the tumor. She currently has mouth sores so she's having a hard time with eating. Any ideas or suggestions from experience?
I hope you all are having a wonderful day!!!!!!
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plumsunflower - I'm not a fan of researching odds, but there are loads of threads on here that get very technical. And some very intelligent women who can interpret the reports. Since there is no "cure" for breast cancer, the best result is NED (no evidence of disease). I had a recurrence in 2 years. Some women on BCO are 23 years out w/no recurrence or mets. I think it's more important to determine what treatment you want to throw at your specific disease and once that is done, try to move on with your life and don't worry about it. Easier said than done!!! I heard something the other day I thought was relevant - the best way to know if you're cured is when you die at age 85 of something else.
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Being TN is difficult. Since it's a diagnosis of exclusion, meaning it's identified by what it's lacking rather than by what's fueling it, there are no known hard-and-fast rules for what can be done to help prevent recurrence or mets. Just as breast cancer is an umbrella term for several diseases which are malignancies of the breast, TN is also an umbrella term. There have been at least 6 subtypes identified of TN and it's likely that there are more. I feel that the term "Triple Negative" will one day be an outdated concept/name. Partly because I hope that the "trigger" for these tumors can be determined, but also because it's almost certain that there are at least several other receptors, growth factors, etc that will be identified as playing a role in the development of breast cancer. We already know of the roles played by Estrogen Receptor (ER), Progesterone Receptor (PR), and the growth factor protein ERBB2 (HER2), but research is ongoing regarding other receptors and growth factors such as Prolactin Receptor (PRL), Androgen Receptor (AR), Insulin Receptor (IR), the rest of the HER family: (HER1, HER3, and HER4), as well as others that I have not mentioned. Once the role, if any, that these play is elucidated, researchers will have more ways to classify breast cancers and the term "Triple Negative" won't apply. When that time comes, we will also have more tailored treatments because doctors will know what is fueling the tumor, and thus have a chance to develop ways to counter that process.
TN is scary, I won't sugar coat it, but there are a lot of survivors. Searching this board will take you to many, many posts of women--and men--who have survived TN, myself included. There is also a Triple Negative Breast Cancer Foundation which has an online support community, though it's not nearly as active as these boards. It might be a good idea to check that out as well for some more TN-specific knowledge, discussion, research, etc.
For now, the best thing she can do is to finish the prescribed treatment and then do the general purpose stuff like following a healthy diet and getting lots of exercise, which hasn't been shown to have a direct, measurable effect, but it certainly can't hurt. There's also been ongoing research for years on whether low Vitamin D plays a role in TN. Many TN women monitor their Vitamin D levels just in case it has an effect.
Best wishes to you, your mom, and your family.
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