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Dafne
Dafne Member Posts: 104

Greetings, sisters.

I hope you all had a nice Christmas time, and may the New Year find you in good health and spirits.

I have like a couple of weeks left before starting the journey to my bilateral mastectomy with tissue expanders. I was diagnosed 1st of November, after I got a bilateral lumpectomy (three lumpectomies actually, two on my left breast and one on my right), with no SNLB unfortunately. Wish my first surgeon had done that during the lumpectomy surgery, but he did not. Anyway, during those 3 past months, my whole life turned upside down, but I guess you all know the feeling too well.

Some background story: I'm a 41 year young Greek gal, newly and happily wed. My marriage was on 16th of April, and it was one of the happiest days of my life. Both me and my DH were anxious to start trying for a family, since time was somehow against me. I knew I had a uterus fibroid which I was monitoring for years, and lately it got bigger, so the route was find a good surgeon to perform a laparoscopic surgery to remove it, then wait about 6 months and then try for a baby. Little did I know about what the future had in store for me. While waiting for the gyn surgeon to find an opening on his busy schedule for my operation, I found a lump on my right breast. Was not that worried at first. I had all my screening tests done (ultra sound, mammogram, magnified mammogram to check more a finding on my right breast and finally a breast MRI), just one year ago, and everything was ok. I knew I had dense breasts, I knew I had some fibroadenomas, but nothing to worry. I called a good friend who works as an ultrasound technician in a hospital and made an appointment. Either way it was time for my routine screening. She was pretty confident that it would be nothing serious, maybe a cyst or something. We run the tests. Ultrasound, then mammogram, then a CESM mammogram all on the same day. My friend and her team was kind of worried about the lump so we scheduled an appointment with a breast surgeon that very same evening. Everybody proposed to remove the suspicious tumor so we scheduled the lumpectomy. The surgeon proposed to operate on my other breast too, cause although he was pretty sure the other findings were benign (fibroadenomas), he preferred to do it as a precaution. I said yes.

And then, a few days later, the biopsy results took us all by surprise. I had cancer in both my breasts. Primary synchronous bilateral cancer, a rare clinical entity as the studies name it.The reported incidence ranges between 0.3% and 12%. Both were Grade 1 (don't know the stage yet, or how to find it.. does it have to to with the lymphs involved?), IDC with DCIS around the tumors. Both are ES and PR positive, HER2 negative, one had no clear margins and the other had really small margins (1mm). The ki-67 showed the cancer type was not aggressive and it was slow growing.

At first, my surgeon proposed to go for re-excision to try to get clear margins, and then I should start radio plus tamoxifene. But later on, he changed his mind and proposed a bilateral mastectomy.

I totally freaked out. In less than 20 days, and while i was still sore and in pain from the 3 lumpectomies, they were asking me to decide on a mastectomy. I did not have enough time to realize I had cancer! I was so angry and frustrated and I just wanted to scream. Hold your horses, guys! Some respect please! It's a woman's breast you are talking about, not some wooden chair. And it's her wish and ability to have a baby one day. How would you expect a woman to make up her mind in a week's time? Especially about the fertility issue, I still can't get over how insensitive my surgeon was. Well, scratch that. I was being too polite. How chauvinist he was. He gave a small lecture on "how women today want to have it all, to finish their studies, and chase their careers, and travel around the world, and live their life and have several sexual partners, and then as they reach towards 40 they remember they want a family and then it's too late as cancer is knocking at their door". He even went on telling me that even if I did not have cancer, I would probably not be able to have a "normal" child cause of my age. Dear God, he did use the word "normal"... He went on saying I could adopt and he does not get why people insist so much in having their own baby.

Please, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against adopting, actually I wish I could adopt, but the law here is very strict and our financial situation won't ever allow me to adopt a child...

I just could not work with this doc. I disliked him, I did not trust him enough, I was not comfortable around him. So I searched for second and third opinions. Saw 2 other breast surgeons, talked with one more over the phone and sent my biopsy papers to a lady friend doc in England. Everybody agreed on the bilateral mastectomy, mainly due to the DCIS present on both my breasts. Why risk it? was the conclusion on their trail of thoughts.

The last doc I saw was a plastic surgeon. He proposed reconstruction with tissue expanders and he promised he will find me a surgeon on his hospital to to perform the mastectomy. We somehow agreed I would contact him again after the New Year.

So here I am.

If I'm ready? I certainly am not. Plain and simple, I don't want to do it. It does not have to do with vanity and I never really thought I was so attached to my breasts, till the time I had to face the possibility of losing them. They are not perfect, they are rather small and a little saggy, but they are mine. They 've been with me all my life, they marked my entering to puberty and womanhood, they made me feel sexy, they gave me pleasure and I hoped they would nurse my baby. And they are mine. I hate to lose them. I hate my husband will lose them too. And all that for the possibility my DCIS might wake up one day. And don't get me wrong, I do admire all the women that took this decision while they had DCIS or the BRCA test positive. I wish I had a fraction of their strength and courage. I might be just a coward, don't know who I am anymore.

My dear husband supports me all the way. He says again and again that he'll stick around no matter what, that we'll pass everything together, that he's gonna love me and want me with or without boobs, that he did not marry me for my boobs, or at least not just for them, and I adore him for this and he's been my rock and strength, but the truth is I'm scared and frightened of everything. The surgery, the pain after, the pain during the expander's fillings, the outcome of the reconstruction, the chance (no matter how small) of reccurance.

What most freaks me out though is the thought of losing all sense and feeling on them. How do you cope with this? How is it truly?

Will it feel like... i don't know... dead?

Will I brush people as I pass by and not even knowing? Is there a chance my blouse strap will slip and I'll be boob-flashing without realizing it? Will i be able to feel the sun's warmth on them? Will i be able to feel the water on the sea? Will they always feel like two cold stones in my chest? If I hug someone what would I feel? Is it as scary as it seems in my mind?

Girls, sorry for all the rant... and sorry if all that seems somehow vain, believe me it's not. I 've read everything I could, saw many youtube videos, read the studies, talked a couple of times with breast cancer survivors and used the phone support line we have here, read real life stories of many courageous and marvelous ladies that have been in my shoes, and I am grateful I have a chance to fight this ugly thing, I know I 'm more than lucky to caught it early, I know many women would be happy to be on my stage and prognosis, but at the end of the day, it hurts. I hurt.

Most of the time I 'm doing all right. There are times my thinking is clear and I find the strength I need and I can breath deep and calm, and I'm feeling loved and all. But during the nights things don't go so smoothly. I feel scared and have small panic attacks and end up crying and feeling sorry for myself which I hate.

It's not fair. Not fair at all.



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  • msphil
    msphil Member Posts: 1,536
    edited December 2016

    Hello sweetie its ok yo feel sorry for yourself i did also i was diagnosed while we were making wedding plans our 2nd marriage i cried most nights yhen had 2 get meds to sleep i didnt want to go into a new marriage with one breast i opted for mastectomy. But bu Grace of God i am a 22yr Survivor Praise God so hold on. msphil idc stage2 0\3 nodes Lmast chemo and rads and.5yrs on tamoxifen. Blessed Healthy New Year to All.

  • OrcaPorkka
    OrcaPorkka Member Posts: 61
    edited December 2016

    Dafne- I hear you. I so, so, so hear you. I worried about all of those things. Some of your worries are probably exaggerated but some are true. The loss of all feeling is the worst for me - worse than the surgeries, by far. My husband is a good man, he says all the right things, he is kind and thoughtful and we *both* miss my old breasts. Like you, I wasn't ready to get rid of them, but my DCIS was high grade and I am triple negative, so they went.

    I haven't rubbed my breasts against strangers that I know of, but I did get some scratches during the TE phase when I didn't realize how far out they stuck when I was closing the shower door on my breast... I am also 41, though finished with having kids. That would be a new worry, I am sure. My "finished" breasts (I am only 6 weeks past the exchange) look good. I am pleased with them, aestheticly, but now that it is winter, they are cold! I am wearing at least two more layers on top than I would have last winter (but I am further north than you).

    Anyway, you are not vain, you are human and woman and it is totally reasonable to feel this way. There will be ups and downs emotionally and physically on this journey. So sorry you are joining us in it, but you will do great.

  • Ann-sg
    Ann-sg Member Posts: 17
    edited December 2016

    Dafne, I feel scared and often wake up in the middle of the nights too. I cried a lot too.

    Upon diagnosis, we have to make tough decisions on the treatment options, none of them appealing.

    Perhaps you may want to have a discussion with the surgeon recommended by the PS? Meanwhile, do more research on the options and discuss them with your husband. You have to work with a team that you trust

    We can all go through this!

  • Dafne
    Dafne Member Posts: 104
    edited December 2016

    msphil, thank you for your words of encouragement. 22 years survivor, you are an inspiration and a very lucky lady. Wish you all the best for the New Year!

  • Dafne
    Dafne Member Posts: 104
    edited December 2016

    OrcaPorkka, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, as for the shower door incident... ouch, girl! It's great to have your husband by your side though, and you've been so lucky that you had the time to have your kids. I just wish I had met my husband a couple of years earlier, but on the other hand I feel blessed I met him anyway.

    Sometimes I think that the cancer came to my life due to extreme stress and almost 5 years full of anxiety, sadness and loss. 5 years back I lost my father, while at the same time I had to struggle each and every day to survive on a very toxic and competitive job as a PR manager for a law firm. I was fired a year later due to "economic crisis" (in reality because I said no to their proposal to keep on working for them with half the salary and at least a couple of hours extra everyday). Financial insecurity hit me hard, although I had a second job as a translator and in time it affected my relationship with my ex fiance and finally we broke up after 8 years of living together. A few months later, I lost my beloved godfather with whom I was extremely close and he had played a very important role in my life while I was growing up. He was the ideal father figure to me, and I miss him dearly...

    That was when I thought I touched bottom. It was 3 years back, I could see no light at the end of the tunnel and if somebody back then was telling me I would meet someone special and fall in love again, I would only laugh. My financial situation was worse than ever (even while I was studying and working things were better), I had a house and myself to support and I was more alone than ever.

    But life is full of surprises and time heals if you give it a chance. I met my husband through a mutual friend, we started out as friends, we became close, we feel in love, we got married, we still struggle financially but things are getting better (or I learned how to appreciate more what is really important), I still have my mom around, my feline kids, good friends and family that loves and supports me, and I know I'm blessed.

    And that's what I try to keep on reminding myself. I just try. There are times that my head clears up and I feel calm and I see things clearly, and I get a tiny bit of power, just enough to help me through the day, and then there are times I just lose it.

    But I try, and I think that's how things will go. I just hope an wish one day I 'll get a feeling of "normality" again, or at least adopt to the "new" normal, whatever that may be.

    Bless you all, sisters.


  • Dafne
    Dafne Member Posts: 104
    edited December 2016

    Ann-sg, I plan on having a discussion with the surgeon that the PS will find for me. Maybe another oncologist too, if I can afford it.

    Sometimes I think that the worse thing is waiting, that awful limbo. Maybe when things will take their course it will be better.. I don't know.

  • OrcaPorkka
    OrcaPorkka Member Posts: 61
    edited January 2017

    I think waiting was definitely hard. The new normal is also tough, but there is a feeling of relief. Hope you had a good New Years Day. Thinking of you..

  • TarheelMichelle
    TarheelMichelle Member Posts: 871
    edited January 2017

    dafne, I'm so sorry you were rushed into making a decision. Please remember that YOU are the boss of your body. Even if your surgeon recommends a mastectomy, it is not wrong for you to say, "no, I will NOT have my breasts removed." You can keep your breasts. Your doctor can't force you They have already told you that your cancer is slow growing.

    "why risk it?" they say. I will tell you why. *Because mastectomy is not always best decision. Your breast cancer can come back even if you have your breasts removed. *Because your breasts are a special part of your body. You have a new husband, and you both love your breasts. You deserve to be happy, not crying and worried. You deserve to try and have a baby. If I were you, I would keep my breasts. If cancer spreads, they will not remove your breasts. It is possible to keep your breasts, no Tamoxifen, have a baby, and you stay cancer free, with your breasts. Your breasts do not have cancer in them after the lumpectomy. Your breasts are not dangerous.

    I kept my breasts. Only lumpectomy. I have the slow-growing kind, too. My cancer spread 4 years later. It did not spread in my breasts, just in my lungs and bones. Other women have suffered through reconstruction and terrible discomfort with implants. Not me. I still have my breasts.

    Please message me if I can help. I can show you research that proves lumpectomy is better than mastectomy. Do not let old-fashioned doctors make you feel bad about wanting to keep your breasts.

  • Dafne
    Dafne Member Posts: 104
    edited January 2017

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