Marijuana prevents breast cancer metastasis?

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  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited December 2016

    Claire - one way to get the right dose for your diagnosis (ERPR+ MBC) and goal (sleep) is to get a consultation with an experienced cannabis practitioner. Aunt Zelda is one option.

    FWIW, I have ERPR+ HER2- cancer and I take 10mg -20mg of THC at night primarily to sleep. It works really well for me. I am glad it works for you as it is very important to sleep. It takes 100mg-300mg+ of cannabinoids to treat cancer. I don't think 10-20mg makes much difference for the cancer. I think you can continue on that dose, but I would find an experienced practitioner to tweak the protocol. Many people use cannabis to treat ERPR+ MBC.

    >Z<

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2016

    Thank you zarovka, for the helpful suggestions. I am emailing with my ND and asked for a consult with the NO that the office works with, too. Aunt Zeldas--I checked the link; would I need to go to Phoenix for that? I am 3 hours away, one way, from Phoenix, but if it is that helpful I can consider it for sure.

    Treating bc and trying to keep it from coming back is a full time researcher job, for sure.

    Claire in AZ

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited December 2016

    Aunt Zelda's does online skype consultations. Many of the cannabis practitioners do.

    >Z<

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2016

    Just for a bit of levity:

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  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited December 2016

    Hahaha that's a good one thanks for sharing Momine

  • sarahrae
    sarahrae Member Posts: 86
    edited December 2016

    zarovka~

    Can you tell me if you are using indica or sativa? I have been trying to use cannabis oil for treatment, but have struggled with the effects, i get anxious. Anyway, I am using a mg of cbd oil daily which delivers 240mg of cbd. Sure wish I lived in a mj state!

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited December 2016

    those kinds of psychological affects pass with time

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited December 2016

    sara - i can't advise on strains. it's complicated. spend the $100 to $300 to consult with an experience practitioner. IMO, the advice that goes out on the boards is hit and miss. It depends on your diagnosis and what you are trying to accomplish. no one can advise on dosage in this setting.

    >Z<

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited December 2016

    There is a great thread on Facebook "fighting breast cancer with cannibus" Alis is the name of the moderator you need to join the group to properly check it out. However there is some good info there. I find a lot of info I hear from "paid professionals" is also conflicting. Depending a lot on which state they are from etc. Good luck

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited December 2016

    My partner is a consulting engineer in the MM industry. One of his lab guys provides me with vape products. He has a MA in Chemistry and has been working in a MM lab for about 5 years. I trust the lab boy on the strains yet I was the one who cautioned him on using THC in estrogen-positive cancer.

    While promising, I have never seen any longitudinal research on the efficacy of MM on cancer tumors. Of course, this is due to the fact that there are federal roadblocks in place. I would gladly be a research subject as long as Big Pharma wasn't involved.


  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited December 2016

    I was once told that the indica variety was "indicated" for health issues, and subsequently noticed that the indica varieties tend to have more cbd in them

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited December 2016

    Wendy -

    Recommendations from "Paid Professionals" can be as random as the forums. In the absence of clinical trials, what you want are Experienced Practitioners with 1000+ clients specifically in cancer and preferably with breast cancer. Aunt Zelda's is one option; however, I am still researching their doctor. Dr. Joe Goldstrich doesn't have an direct oncology training. I am not sure generalist can treat cancer when oncologists struggle. He is still worth looking into as Aunt Zelda may have more experience with cannabis and cancer than any other group.

    I love Alis and read her forum but I couldn't put together a treatment protocol for myself from that group. And I have the most common form of cancer. How much, how long, what strain, what CBD:THC ratio, how do you ramp up. Since I will spend 1000's on cannabis, I want to talk someone trained in oncology with direct experience with a lot of people.

    Always a pleasure to discuss things with you as you are one of the most thoughtful commentators on the boards. It has been a pleasure to get to know you through the various sites we post on. Wishing you a merry xmas and complete healing in 2017.

    >Z<

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited December 2016

    Z thank you so much for your kind words and the feelings are reciprocated. Happy New year to you too😊 .

    Have any of you read Fighting cancer with Nutrition' just started it and it's so interesting. Very positive stuff and I thrive on the positive

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited December 2016

    And I thrive on your positivity ... will look into the book.

    >Z<

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited January 2017

    I belong to that group on Facebook, but I'm a little skittish about posting, I usually just read. I would like to know how much someone with my diagnosis should take. Can I use the CBD infused olive oil? Do I need to use the THC at all? It just became legal for medical here in Florida and I doubt we have any doctors who I could consult with.

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited January 2017

    Homemom - There are several good doctors that will consult with you by Skype. I've considered Aunt Zelda, but haven't used them because their doctor is not actually an oncologist. Dr. Brian Lawanda may be an option or may be able to refer you. I know he is bullish on Cannabis as a cancer treatment and I have great respect for him.

    I monitored that facebook page closely for a month and I have great respect for many people on there, but I was never able to extract an actionable treatment plan of any sort from the conversation. It's really important to treat any complementary treatment as you would a prescription drug and work with a trained and experienced practitioner.

    >Z<


  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited January 2017

    Thank you zarovka I haven't spoken to my Oncologist yet about this, maybe she can refer me to someone . If not I'll check out Dr Lawanda - I've book marked his page

  • wandason
    wandason Member Posts: 1
    edited February 2017

    I was just told I have Stage 4 breast cancer.  I have been sick to my tummy.  I want to find out if any of the types of pot is available in Texas.

  • bareclaws
    bareclaws Member Posts: 345
    edited February 2017
  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited June 2017

    Greeting.

    I am new to this thread-but 5 years in the groups. I finally agreed to a MM card about 18 months ago. On the third day of using Charlotte's Web I had 1 hour of total pain free bliss. That has not happened again-but my life has improved and continues to improve. If those on the thread are not familiar with CW-please google the TED Talks with The Stanley Brothers and CW. I use it three times a day. Additionally, I have pure CBD Bhang bars, CBD/THC 60/60 Bhang Bars, 200mg Indica Bhang Bars, and I keep a hybrid Bhang bar also. I cannot remember the last time I took a narcotic (which didn't work anyway).

    A major university offers an associate degree and certification in CBD/THC management that I am strongly considering taking. Anyone on this list have experience in this area or suggestions?

    Looking forward.


  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited August 2017

    HI Susan What are Bhang bars?

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited August 2017

    Hi HomeMom. Bhang Bars are a brand of medicinal marajuana in a chocolate bar. The chocolate comes in several flavors. Price (where I am) ranges from $15.50-$25.00 per bar. Each bar has 8 rectangles and a bar lasts me about 10 to 12 days. There may be other brands.

    I met with my consultant a couple weeks ago and added a liquid indica called Dankazine. It tastes horrid. Really really horrid. But-works faster than the bars-even when I am patient and allow the chocolate to melt under my tongue. I also started a THC tincture to hopefully help with some nausea. Started with a very small amount (0.25 ml) slowly increasing to hit the right dose.

    Best of luck. Hopefully this is available for you also.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2017

    I stopped using MM, sadly, because I was so highly ER+ and THC seems to drive estrogen. I am not worried (much) about metastasis, but used it for sleep and it worked really well. I suffer from generalized anxiety disorder and the Bhang bars really helped me sleep and the higher non-indica gummy bears helped with anxiety.

    CBD oil did nothing to help me sleep, unfortunately.

    Back to square 1. Still am not sure whether I'll let my MM card lapse or not. Renewal comes soon.

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited August 2017

    Claire - I belong to a Facebook group Fighting Breast Cancer with Cannibis - they have research on THC and er+ breast cancer. Low amounts are permissable

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2017

    Claire~ I am in the same boat as you, but could not give it up.

    I am compromising by using a vape with 50/50 THC/CBD. It's working for my anxiety and sleep , yet not as well as the more powerful stuff.

    I also love Valerian, and have grown it for many years. But had to stop drinking it bcause it interacts with Tamoxifen.

    To find a medicine that works and then have to give it up? Just not fair at all.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2017

    I got my NP to rx propanolol, which treats anxiety without the somewhat addictive properties of Xanax. My problem is that I can't stay asleep--wake up at 3 a.m. consistently. When I do, my mind tries to take over and create anxiety. If I can treat the anxiety I can get back to sleep. There also seems to be some interesting research that propanolol (a beta blocker) may prevent recurrence of some cancers, perhaps b.c. I'm researching that too.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2017

    Lavender oil on my blankets helps me relax more. And a natural melatonin. I am using raw hemp oil w cbd / cbda. Between Xeloda cycles. I chose that because I am not in a legal state. Raw is powerful and has both.

    Good info on here.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2017

    I like the lavender oil suggestion, thank you! My problem is that I can fall asleep usually pretty quickly. I have struggled for years with staying asleep, and wake up consistently at 3 a.m. a lot. I've had just enough sleep not to feel tired or groggy, my mind and anxiety kicks in, and I'm out of the gate so to speak and can't fall back asleep for another hour or so.

    I have determined though that I'm good with 7 hours sleep--don't feel sleepy during the day or need naps. So if my normal bedtime is 9 and I wake up at 3, I've had six hours, which isn't quite enough.

    Claire in AZ

  • Lita19901
    Lita19901 Member Posts: 211
    edited August 2017

    claireinaz - Hope you don't mind my jumping in here, but early morning wakening is a classic sign of depression. I experienced that many, many years ago with the death of one of my premature twins and had no clue that what I was experiencing was depression. I also had the anxiety you speak of. I thought depression meant crying, feeling sad and sleeping all the time.After a year of escalating problems I was started on a tricyclic antidepressant and I responded very quickly to treatment. Anti-anxiety medication and sleeping pills hit the symptoms but didn't address the underlying problem.

    I know some people have a problem with the idea of antidepressants but it made a huge difference in the quality of my life.

  • jagT
    jagT Member Posts: 3
    edited September 2017

    where to find the cannabis oil?

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