Yes, It's possible that drinking juice would fill you up and you wouldn't eat as much of the "bad" stuff. I get that way if I try to get as many juices in during the day as I'm supposed to. But usually I end up feeling "off" after a couple of days of just juice. There seems to be just as many opinions out there that suggest having bone broth or liver (from a clean grass fed cow of course) is the way to a healthy body. They still want you to get the green juice too.

My friend asked me to check out glutathione and immunocal. What I learned was that glutathione as a supplement doesn't get absorbed and immunocal is a "specially processed" whey protein isolate that our bodies use to make glutathione. This is of interest because there is a lot of science on whey protein isolates due to the body building industry. I found a 90% pure whey protein isolate on Amazon for about $20. It's important to not get just whey protein. It has to be the isolate. I also wanted no additives or sugar. If this works, it would be a good way to boost the immune system along with a high dose vitamin C regime.

The money is tight so I'm frugal but cautious about the quality. I spend more time actually checking out the companies that are producing the supplement. Sometimes even the CEO's facebook page So I was happy to find a company in Tennessee that seems pretty good and they produce a modified citrus pectin. They do the manufacturing also. Some nutritional supplement companies purchase from a lab in bulk and repackage with their brand. Their mcp is packaged as a powder in a 16 oz container which, according to the protocol of 5 grams 3 times a day, should last a month. It's around $70. That's a huge savings over the one that I was getting. So I'll give it a try.  https://www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=7612 .

Once you open your eyes to the science of real food, you begin to understand why we are all so sick. I can't ever go back to not knowing the difference. There are so many fruits, vegetables, and spices. Honestly, eating real food is not boring. It's just a little more work because there aren't a lot of prepackaged foods that are done right. I have to say that I have been pleasantly surprised with the recent increase in the organic options at Sam's club and Publix. Even Walmart has the big tubs of organic greens now.

Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving weekend--count your blessings!

If dairy is implicated in breast cancer, it’s only ER+ cancer—and conventional dairy, from cows treated with bovine growth hormone & antibiotics. Organic is fine*—just don’t overdo the amount since it has calories and naturally-occurring sugar (lactose—even lactose-free milk does have a different sugar in it). But grown humans (over age 2) do not need to consume milk or milk products. (My son’s pediatrician liked to say that cow’s milk is meant for baby cows).

*this from the Cancer Survivorship doctor and nutritionist at our local cancer wellness center.

There have been several studies that show DIM may be effective in the treatment of breast cancer. I take DIM and Tamoxifen. The University of Arizona recently completed a study to see if DIM made Tamoxifen more effective, results aren't yet in, but since they are measuring its effectiveness, not its safety, with Tamoxifen, I'd say that worse case it does nothing.

" Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a metabolite of Indole-3-carbinol (I3C), a compound found in cruciferous vegetables including broccoli, cabbage and cauliflower. It is the most studied of all I3C metabolites and is thought to be superior to IC3 as a chemoprotective compound for breast cancer and prostate cancer (3).

DIM demonstrated anti-inflammatory (16) (17), antiproliferative (16) and chemopreventive (18) effects in vitro and in animal models. It was also shown to increase bone mass (19), which may have implications for patients with osteoporosis.

Limited clinical data indicate that daily supplementation with DIM leads to changes in estrogen metabolism in post menopausal women with a history of early stage breast cancer (4), and may benefit patients with castration-resistant prostate cancer by inhibiting androgen receptor (20). But DIM supplementation did not exert any positive effects in women with cervical cell abnormalities (13) although conflicting evidence indicates that it may help reverse cervical intraepithelial neoplasia (21). Additional studies are needed."

from: https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integrative-medicine/herbs/diindolylmethane Sloan Kettering Cancer Center/ section for healthcare providers

After I was first diagnosed, I noticed that after eating dairy or chicken, I got little sore/tender/inflamed bumps along the side of my breast (coming from original lump). Not there when I did not eat dairy/chicken. So I stopped eating it. Then I read Jane Plant's book "Your life in your hands", and totally quit dairy (and chicken, and cut way down on other meats). Also continued my research. Next was the China Study and it's studies on cassein (the protein in dairy that seemed to 'turn cancers on and off') Some sites your may be interested in to help you make your own decisions:

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Library/notmilk6....

https://www.cancertutor.com/china-study/

http://freefromharm.org/health-nutrition/21-expert...

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

http://nomilk.com/

I am glad that someone else is trying DIM instead of Tamoxifen. I talked to my oncologist but he doesn't know much about supplements. He uses the same websites as the rest of us to look things up when I throw a new one into the mix. I had agreed to try the tamoxifen but when I went home and read the side effect info that they give you from the pharmacy, I put the pills in the cabinet and continued with the DIM and other supplements. I'm going back to talk to him next week and I'd like to be able to find the U of M study results to give him. If you know of something and can post a link that would be great. I'm trying to avoid having drastic surgery until I'm sure that nothing else will work.

I know a friend, she is DX three years ago with stage 2A. no nodes involved. ER+, PR+, HER2-.

After surgery, she refused all the other adjuvant treatments. She just maintains a regular base workout, eat healthy, travel around the country and enjoy the life. So far she is doing great.

But if you asked me, I will not do same thing. I will follow the conventional treatment and then do the rest of other things she does.

is the DIM an OTC supplement or a prescription

Hello, ladies. I'm so glad I discovered this forum! I was feeling like my situation was so unique that my girlfriends couldn't provide me with any feedback that felt "connected". After reading many of these posts, I already get the sense that many of you will understand and empathize.

After three years on Tamoxifen, I ditched it. I was scared about this decision, but was more afraid of what could happen if I stayed on it (prescribing Onco had me down for 7 more years). 7 years.... that's a long time. When I told her about my decision, she was polite but not very supportive. And that's okay. I've come to realize that my journey of healing is not about the opinion of one doctor or one "expert", and like many of you, needed to get proactive about my health and care. It's only been four months since I started DIM + I3C, but I already feel much more balanced and alive. I started with DIM but eventually switched to a combo supplement. I'm still worried about recurrence, of course, so with my ER+ breast cancer I'm seeking ways to further balance my estrogen. I'm also taking Vitamin D and a host of other supplements. dtad, what other steps are you taking besides the DIM? createdonpurpose, blessings to you, too. I'm completely with you on taking control of our own health. It feels comforting to know others have made similar decisions.

Wishing you all well.

Thanks for the reply, dtad. I appreciate it. So great to hear that you are doing well. Progress of any kind always inspires me. I'm still amazed at the potential of our body's healing abilities when given the tools. DIM and Vit D are in my arsenal; will look into melatonin and berberine. Take care.

the estrogen in fennel which I'd been juicing for a year got me into this fix. breast began hurting a lot but I didn't know why until I finally got a laptop and googled fennel. I stoped immediately but it was too late. pomegranet also is very rich in estrogen

Just curious, anyone know if the AI's eliminate the xenoestrogens as well as natural estrogen? I declined the hormonal tx (and chemo). I just passed the 5 year mark NED. The tumor was 95% ER and 80%ish PR. My logic is that peri menopause caused a total imbalance of estro-proges and caused my BC???, a fibroadenoma gone bad.

I'm sure there are many of us er pr+ that can't blame hormones for our cancer but who? The drs just throw us all in to the same basket standard of care. They just don't know.

chef, I've wondered the same about AIs. I get that they block aromatase from converting bodyfat into estrogen, but do they have any effect on other estrogen sources? For that reason I've felt a little more secure with tamoxifen, assuming that it bypasses any estrogen that might attach to a BC cell and "breaks the lock". I'm not yet officially post-menopausal but will ask my MO when I make the switch.

In the meantime, I'm eating lots of cruciferous/brassica vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts) ... Not only are they delicious and low-carb substitutes for starchy, high-glycemiccarbs, but I've read more than one source explaining that their fiber "sweep aways" excess estrogen. I also eat beans often, and I think their fiber acts similarly.

gemini4: --I haven't been feeling quite so good lately, getting over bronchitis and realized I haven't been eating those beans everyday so thanks for the reminder--fiber is a really, really important factor in controlling those estrogen levels.