Vent about Permanent Neuropathy

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2016

    So weird BB. My neuropathy in my feet is so much better on cold days! I really only notice, now, when, I hike over an hour in warmish weather. I use to have to stand on egg crate material if I even stood on cement floors. They use to burn when I put my feet up (going to bed at night). I saw improvement up to 3 years out of chemo AND religious use of Garden of Life Vitamin B12 Organic Spray.

    I also had it in my fingertips, but the only thing I seem to have left from that is dropping things a lot. I don't feel like it impedes my dexterity, otherwise.

    There is hope, but if I don't use the B12 spray, the symptoms become much more apparent.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited December 2016

    BB and Quinn: Why do you use B-12?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2016

    I use it, too. It helps with neuropathy. Some chemo meds will deplete B12. The neuropathy I had with Taxol is gone, but I continue to take it. From their experience, I may not stop.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2016

    My neurologist told me to take B-12 (1000mcg) and B-6 (100mg) for neuropathy. I'd be afraid to quit taking them. My fingertips have mostly resolved. They are occasionally numb but it's not a problem except for swiping a smart phone. Lucky I still have a flip phone. My feet are still mostly dead like blocks of ice from the arches to the toes. Most of the time I can feel my calves & heels now - woo hoo. Since I'm 3 years post taxotere & adriamycin, and 2-1/2 years post Herceptin, I can't imagine it will get any better. I'll go see the neurologist again sometime next year for a work up.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited December 2016

    Good to know.I'm on it!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2016

    gardengypsy - my PCP told me to use the spray I mentioned above. She is a holistic doctor. It was not my MO who told me. I do not know why - honestly, but IT HELPS!!!

    I ran out of it once, for 3 weeks as I kept forgetting to buy, and my neuropathy definitely got worse. And then it got better when I resumed my daily dose of the spray (sublingual, but I just spray into my mouth). It was not my imagination. It helps me.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited December 2016

    well my nueropathy seems better lately, but I just had surgery for hydrocephelus and that has changed lots of things of late. I do take nuerontin and feel that helps my feet

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited December 2016

    Thanks! I will ask my onc about this. I'd do anything to get off the Gabapentin. I think it's making my chemo brain much worse.

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited December 2016

    Gardengypsy - I have painful neuropathy that gabapentin only helped a little. My doctor prescribed Cymbalta and the pain was gone almost immediately. Now I'm considering weaning off Gabapentin just to see if I even need it now. I also know someone who takes Lyrica for neuropathy.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited December 2016

    I would much more advocate for the topical sprays and B-12 supplement use than the Rxs that change your brain chemistry. Every drug taken to try to escape the symptoms of CIPN has it's own consequences. The prescription drugs really should be a last resort.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited December 2016

    Bosum~ Damn! My onc says it was safe on the liver!

    Blownaway~ Thanks! I am seeing a neurologist this week and will be asking about the Cymbalta. One thing the Gabapentin is known for is its effectiveness with hot flashes. I've had very little, even thought I am taking Tamoxifen.

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited December 2016

    I actually take the generic Cymbala - duloxetine. Did you wean off gabapentin or just stop taking it.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited December 2016

    Hi all. I also have neuropathy from an autoimmune disease. Cymbalta helped me much more than the neuropathy drugs did. Good luck to all navigating this disease....

  • mltdd
    mltdd Member Posts: 87
    edited December 2016

    blownaway- I weaned off the gabapentin since I started by stepping up from 300-900. I did it over about a month.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited December 2016

    My neuropsych eval at Brigham Women's is tomorrow. I'm hoping for some clarity.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited December 2016

    best of luck and hope for some help

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2016

    Garden - yes, good luck. We'll be waiting for your report.

    So Bosum are you taking anything? I can't remember if you have severe neuropathy pain or mostly numbness.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited December 2016
  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited December 2016

    Bosum~ I had one of my worst neuropathy days ever also. Holiday stress and work? I went to bed with Ibuprofen last night.

    I attributed it to the fact that I didn't wear supportive shoes in the house yesterday.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited December 2016

    HI ladies!

    I hope you don't mind if I jump in here with some questions. I've had on going pain problems since treatment ended. Mostly in my legs, knees, and now feet. The pain over the last few months has gotten much worse and I'm really at my end here.

    I'm beginning to wonder if the foot pain is CIPN. The best way to describe the pain is constant ache and I have to wear socks/slippers because the cold is too much. I can hardly walk and when I do the bottom of my feet feel bruised and horrible. Standing for dishes or cooking is miserable. I've noticed the last few days that my pinky toe is throbbing shooting pain.

    Sorry for the long post, but does this sound like neuropathy? I thought it was Femara, but I stopped that for a few weeks and the foot pain is not getting better.

    Please help, I'm really getting depressed. Thx

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited December 2016

    tangandChris - I haven't heard of it appearing as far after taxotere as your are, but one never knows with this darn cancer & side effects of the disease & the cures... Can you send your MO questions via secure email? My MO sent me to a neurologist. She offered several drugs but those only help pain, not the condition. Another place to start might be a podiatrist. Both my PCP and my derm doc told me recently I might do better with particular shoes &/or orthotics recommended by a doc.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited December 2016

    tang, i went to a podiatrist, they did 2 things. One they set me up with custom orthotics. Nice but expensive. Second they did the nerve study test. I have had that done now by 3 dif docs with dif results but no solution.

    II will tell you I recently had surgery for hydrocephelus and while I do not in any way suggest that, lo and behold my foot pain is less,

    Maybe it is caused by a dif Issue?

    I do take nuerontin morn and night and feel that helps

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited December 2016

    Two basic divisions of CIPN: those with pain, and those with numbness; and o.k. a third if you have both, but for my comment, this third group would be lumped in with the pain group.

    If you CIPN gives you pain, yes, the SSRIs and SNRIs do seem to offer relief to many CIPN sufferers. Numb group, you are outta luck.

    Two other basic divisions: If you strictly have only CIPN, or if you have OTHER mitigating factors that might actually be causing your symptoms (or, at least, adding to them.) Obviously, seeing a doc may help IF they can actually determine that your pain is from something else that there is a cure, therapy or drug for. If you are strictly CIPN, again you are outta luck but the docs will take your money all the same. The best you can really get from them is an Rx IF pain is your problem.

    Some PT can be money well spent, if it can help with balance issues, etc.; and I won't make a blanket statement about that because I have read here that some of you do benefit.

    What I just wrote is what I think, but I want you all to realize that I have come to this view by what ALL OF YOU have posted on here so far. I am only summarizing.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited January 2017

    it is a tough and confusing problem

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited January 2017

    Thx for responding ☺

    I'm just not sure if my symptoms match up with neuropathy or what. I've been reading online on and off today and from what I've seen there are some that start having problems with it months after chemo. I did have some trouble during chemo but it seemed to get better after up until the last few months.

    I just want to know what is happening to me. I feel like my body has really betrayed me. I can't be in denial about this anymore, something is wrong. :(

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited January 2017

    tangandchris.....Unfortunately your symptoms do sound like neuropathy. There are several drugs you can try to treat it. Good luck and keep us posted.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited January 2017

    Bosum~

    I, too, look for correlation and it doesn't always make sense either. Strangely enough, Ibuprofen works well for me. And I know that can't be good for you...

    I have never heard of the Benfotiamine!

    Do you have a naturopath in your area who specializes in cancer? Or how about an herbalist? I believe that there are some experts out there who can guide us and know what they are doing. The part about being estrogen+ is super frustrating to me concerning supps, but I am not going to complain because it is also highly treatable in other ways.

    I am about to make some appointments with alternative practitioners and will let you know what I learn.

    For the neuropathy, my PT just gave me an exercise she calls "flossing" the nerves. It's impossible to describe here, but basically you are lying down on your side and holding your bent leg behind you. You gently move your leg back and forth.

    I rescheduled the neuro eval for next week. We'll see what the experts say...

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited January 2017

    tangandchris~~ Yes, it is totally not fair that we are getting SEs long after we begin the healing from treatment.

    I truly believe that Big Pharma can do better with the side effects aspect of chemo treatment. A university pharmacist recently explained to me that it's the carrying agents, not the life-saving drugs themselves that do the damage.

  • Meadow
    Meadow Member Posts: 2,007
    edited January 2017

    Hi everyone, popping in to ask, does anyone see improvement after taking vitamin D3? I have been taking it to raise my D3 levels, and I do believe it helps with neuropathy. I take 5000 u daily, this is a mega dose, but not a BIG mega dose, know what I mean? Sorry if this has been covered recently on the thread, I went back and bit to see, thought I would ask. Tanga, you might ask your team about adding it to your diet, my hubby takes it too, he is a nurse and on his feet for long periods, has chronic foot pain. It has helped him. Our family doctor recommended it to him before I had cancer, I did not start it till I had chemo induced neuropathy. Thanks for your replies, and Happy New Year!

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited January 2017

    Meadow - I have taken extra Vit D for years and ramped it up to 5000 IU last March when I broke my arm on the recommendation of my orthopedic doc. After almost a year on 5000 IU, I see no difference in the neuropathy in my feet. Glad it seems to work for you.

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