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  • MelsMontie
    MelsMontie Member Posts: 72
    edited December 2016

    Thanks Mara, and I still wait.  Today has been a crying spree.  A LOT of crying. 

    If you have uterine cancer after going through breast cancer, is that considered mets?  I know BC  usually goes to the bones, liver, and brain, but I don't know about uterus, or ovarian.  I just wonder if it is cancer, if it is caused by the hormones they put me on... Not that it matters, it is just another fight to get on with... 

    guess I am on a jag, if it is cancer I need to clear out some of the overwhelming junk around this house.  I am getting rid of about 1/3 of the clothes in my closet... it is bad.. I still have some clothes from college.  I haven't fit in them... well... since college 35 years ago.  Those are actually in the attic.  But all pants that don't have pockets, are going.  Finally following my FIL's advise, if you haven't worn it in the past year, you probably won't, get rid of it.  Heck, I still have some of my Mom's clothes - and she has been gone for 31 years. She was much smaller than me, I will never fit in them.   I hate being a clothes hoarder.  But I am.  8 years ago, when we moved here, I had 61 lawn bags full of clothes to give to charity.  Laughing... at least I finally found the tote box I had put all my sweat pants in last spring.  I don't work, so my life consists of horses and house.  I have shorts or sweats... a few pair of jeans I never wear.  North Mississippi, it is either cold, or hot... not much in between. 

    I am still so on edge.  My daughter (the one who lives here) called earlier, and I immediately feared it was the doctor calling with the results... wanting them, but not wanting them. My best friend texted and she is going to come down tomorrow for my birthday.  She said she would help me clean out, but I text back that cleaning house on my birthday is the last thing I want to do. If I haven't heard yet, maybe she will help me decorate the house for Christmas. 

    Wish I had more Xanax.  Sometimes, I wish I could drink... I wasn't a drinker before chemo, but now after... even a small sip burns.  I smoked pot in my younger years, but I am actually mildly allergic to it. My sinus cavities swell and gives me a wicked headache. no vices for this girl.

    As everyone knows... us more than most... CANCER SUCKS 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited December 2016

    Melsmontie, did he do a PAP smear or a biopsy? He wouldn't have seen anything either way when he told you to set up an appointment. Docs never give results over the phone. Glad you like him, that's so important.

    As for cancer, if it's breast cancer cells then that is a recurrence but of its ovarian cancer it's not a recurrence it's a new cancer.

    You were NOT given hormones for your treatment, you actually had hormones stopped for treatment so don't add that fear into the mix. As you get older all sorts of new issues arise that aren't cancer related so glad to see your onc is looking out for you. Please let us know the results and let me be the first to wish you happy birthday for tomorrow!!!

  • MelsMontie
    MelsMontie Member Posts: 72
    edited December 2016

    Thanks Barbe, Well, I called, and let's not all faint... they immediately called me back... biopsies are benign.   PTL  Thank you God.  I don't think he did a pap smear, but yes, he did do biopsy, or several,  but I thought maybe they might have seen something on the endoscopic ultrasound they did down there.  I am in such relief mentally.  Physically, still bleeding and hurting, but the soul is happy, and yes... Thank You for a good birthday tomorrow.  I have cried all day... so glad I can stop that now.  Now, to bundle up, go clean stalls, and let my horses up.  They will be getting big relief hugs.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited December 2016

    Thank God is right! So very truly happy for you sweetie and thanks for letting us know. Like I said, we like to get good news.

  • jpr143
    jpr143 Member Posts: 26
    edited December 2016

    What are symptoms of brain mets? I've been having some strange headaches and I normally don't have headaches except for sinus related.

    Also, why do some doctors say that it doesn't do any good to find a a recurrence early? If you have mets somewhere, wouldn't it be better to find them before they spread to several places/organs/bones?


  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited December 2016

    jpr153 - If you are worried about brain mets, get a scan. Headaches could be anything, but with your history of HER2+ cancer, get a scan. Get a full body scan, not just the brain.

    I don't know any doctors who say it doesn't matter if you catch the mets early. Perhaps these are the doctors who have written off metastatic breast cancer patients entirely. These are not the doctors we listen to.

    The truth is you want to catch mets early. If you have limited mets, you have better treatment options.

    Let us know how it goes.

    >Z<

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited December 2016

    jpr, what you may have heard is that docs don't routinely scan for mets without symptoms, which isn't quite the same as not wanting to find mets early. The logic behind not scanning in the absence of symptoms is two-fold... first that repeated scanning carries its own risk, as well as being costly; and secondly that questionable scan results often lead to unnecessary biopsies. Routine scanning to check for mets might find something a bit sooner, but the constant anxiety would be far worse than finding something a bit later.

    In general, a good rule of thumb is to allow 3 weeks to see if odd symptoms or pain goes away. Most of the time it will. And while headaches can always be something serious, things like visual disturbances and/or balance issues seem to come up as concerning for brain mets more often.

    Hopefully, your headaches are from something entirely unrelated to mets, but do keep us posted! Hugs, Deanna

  • jpr143
    jpr143 Member Posts: 26
    edited December 2016

    zarovka and dlb823:

    Thank you for your replies. My GP thinks my headaches may be sinus related but without congestion, I am skeptical. I will take the antibiotics he prescribed but will pursue a CT scan if I am still having these symptoms in 3 weeks.

    My first oncologist was the one that made that comment. I didn't feel like he had my best interest at heart.I have since fired him and found another that I can trust. 😌 I just wish I hadn't put up with the first one so long!

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited December 2016

    I apologize for whining in advance. And I truly apologize for those of you who have much much bigger issues as I sit here and whine about what is probably a proverbial hang nail. With all of that being said...I am still having extraordinary level of fatigue. I know I've been through a lot but in al honesty I haven't really. I didn't have chemo or rads and I'm no longer on tamoxifen. I had the BMX is June and I didn't haven't this level of fatigue. I just feel like I'm tanking for no reason. I'm 43 and was in pretty good health. All of my bloodwork is great. No signs of any issues. But just to give you an example, I went shopping with my daughter for a few hours on Saturday and yesterday I wasn't able to do anything at all. My husband said he was a little scared because I was walking like I was drunk and he could see the effort I had to put in to even move my body. I couldn't even form a complete sentence. I have the same symptoms as my mother who is 79 with multi system failure. This is crazy. The reason this is so concerning is that I was fine in September and now I'm tankin but all my labs are perfect. Any idea

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited December 2016

    Mom2four+, not sure why you are posting on this thread. Are you worried you may be Stage IV? Doesn't look like you are at high risk for that.

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited December 2016

    sorry, wrong thread

  • many
    many Member Posts: 254
    edited December 2016

    My wife has spinal mets and is on Femera & Zometa .the mets are scleroticmy wife that Radiation to spine from D12 to L3 as she was having unbearable pain in that area .she took -5 sessions that ended on 6thDecember -16.Now even after 2 weeks she would have pain in radiated area if she bends or exerts her spine or sits for longer periods.what would be reason for this pain ?PLZ HEL

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited December 2016

    Hi many. Even though your wife has had the radiation it can take a few weeks to be fully effective plus there is damage to the bone from the mets which will take time to heal. She needs to try to avoid things that cause her discomfort for the time being with the hope that it will improve as time goes by. Rads are not necessarily an instant fix but they do help.

    Love n hugs. Chrissy

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Member Posts: 633
    edited January 2017
  • DancingElizabeth
    DancingElizabeth Member Posts: 415
    edited January 2017

    Hi Mommato3 - I am a Stage IIIer but Very high risk - so I am constantly looking for information on this very subject. And, am (also) on Arimidex.

    I read somewhere that AIs can potentially raise ALP levels...but I am definitely not an expert. I have achy knees - too. (Have had bad knees for the past 10 years - so nothing new) But - I do feel they are a little more achy since starting Arimidex about 6 or 7 weeks ago...

    From what I understand...mets are VERY unlikely to go to the knees (much less start there!)

    It's great news that your other labs are normal and your left breast came back benign!!! That must have been very stressful to endure.... I don't know if stress raises ALP - but would NOT be surprised!!!

    I sometimes wonder - if lab values - normally fluctuate - but we would NEVER know this - if it weren't for the constant monitoring of our lab values...

    Anyway...I am glad your MO ordered the scan... For what it's worth - mine was completely normal but my MO wants to do another one - one year from that one....anyhow!

  • livingwithit
    livingwithit Member Posts: 39
    edited January 2017

    Hello all,

    Hope everyone will have an energetic, pain free and worry free weekend. What a blessing that would be for all of us!

    I have a question about lumps and bumps. My cancer was in the left breast but I opted for a bilateral mastectomy, no reconstruction. At my last MO appt in December 16 the doc noted a hard, smaller than pea sized lump, along the incision line on right side. She said it felt like q stitch. Since then the lump is now large pea sized. I know this could be an undisolved stitch- which amazes me 2 1/2 years post mastectomy. Possibly a cyst or possibly fat necrosis. But possibly a new met.

    If my MO is still unconcerned at my January 18 appt what type of further testing should I push for? Just need confirmation it's notching to worry about, ya know?

    Another concern I have is the pain from bone mets in humerus and shoulder is back 16 months post-radiation. I understand that radiation doesn't necessarily mean progression, esp since my last bone scan in October showee no new mets. Kind of worried though that the pain is back at same time my lump along incision seems to be growing.

    Any insight, personal experiences with the lump/bump thing will be much appreciated as well as any tests I should request in case MO still not concerned.

    Thanks so much!!

  • mjrst396
    mjrst396 Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2017

    Hello, I am new to this board. I was diagnosed with multifocal invasive ductal carcinoma grade 2, ER+ PR+ Her- in July 2016. I underwent a single mastectomy with DIEP flap reconstruction in August and are believed to be Stage 1. My mammaprint came back high recurrence rate so I started chemo in October 2016. I completed 4 rounds of dose dense A&C and just finished my 2nd of 12 weekly Taxol treatments. I ended up in the ER a few weeks ago for breathing issues and something showed up on my CT scan. After a bone scan and MRI of thoracic spine they found a 1.2cm lesion on my right T11 vertebrae. I am now waiting for a bone biopsy to be scheduled.

    I don't know for sure if I have mets to the spine but I saw this forum. Has anyone ever heard of a spine lesion in a person with breast cancer being benign or are they all typically cancer? My doctor tells me the fact that I have no pain and that there is just one is a good sign it may not be cancer. I know it is wishful thinking but I am totally scared out of my mind. I am 38 years with 4 young kids. We told our kids we caught this early and I would be fine because that is what we were told. The waiting piece is always the hardest part of all of this. I don't know how to relax and not think about this until I know.

    Thanks, for your help.

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited January 2017

    Hi mjrst, welcome to BCO. Sorry you need to be here but really glad you found us.

    I understand just how worried you are right now and while it is a possibility that the scans showed a met it is also a good possibility that what it showed is something totally benign. Please try to take a deep breath and let the worry go as you are really only upsetting yourself on a possibility.

    Should your biopsy be possitive, and I'm not saying it will, please be reassured that it is possible to get to NED (No Evidence of active Disease) as a stage IV. I am living proof, seven and a half years with mets to bone, six of those years NED.

    Hang in there lovely, just take one day at a time and try not to project the possibilities just wait for the biopsy answers and go from there.

    Keep coming back if you have more questions/concerns and please let us know how you get on.

    Love n hugs. Chrissy

  • Christina313
    Christina313 Member Posts: 27
    edited January 2017

    hi Chrissy,

    My name's Christina. My mom who's 57 was just diagnosed with breast cancer liver Mets in September. She's doing really well with her chemo. Her first chemo they did a very weak one because her blood was so bad. It reduced the tumors by 40 percent. They were very shocked at the immediate response. Now they can no longer feel the tumors. I have hope and I pray.

    My question to you is are there any supplements or foods that you believe have helped you remain Ned?

    We have been giving her beet juice and I also juice carrot juice mixed with apples. I also have been giving her cabbage juice. Which she may or may not enjoy. Lol

    Any recommendations would be appreciated.


    Christina

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited January 2017

    Hi, Christina. You might like the book Anti-Cancer: A New Way of Life by David Servan Schreiber. It has a lot of info about food. According to Schreiber, cruciferae (including cabbage) and alliums are some of the best. Be cautious about supplements during chemo and keep the oncologist in the loop. Other things that may help are exercise, sleeping in a very dark room, de-stressing (meditation, laughter, nature, etc.), having social support, and avoiding toxins and xenoestrogens.

  • Iwrite
    Iwrite Member Posts: 870
    edited January 2017

    Hi Christina,

    Talk with your Mom. Listen when she needs to talk, give her a hug...laugh together, repeat. It's a lonely, scary illness and my daughters' friendship has been the single most influential factor in me feeling life is worth living. It's a lot for you to handle so find some others who are in a similar situation and get some support for yourself, too!

    And exercise and eating well. These have a daily impact on whether I feel well during treatment. The book recommended by Shetland has been my manual for living.

    Warm wishes!!


  • Almasi
    Almasi Member Posts: 39
    edited January 2017

    Hi there. My mom was diagnosed with HER2+ IDC almost 7 years ago. She had a single mastectomy, radiation and chemo. She had a recurrence 4 years later as stage 4 with mets to the chest, neck, jaw and lymph nodes. She had chemo again and was NED for almost a year and a half.

    Now her scan shows new small nodules in her lungs since April of 2016. They have not changed in size but her onc recommended she resume herceptin because he is nervous about the nodules. As of now the nodules are the same size. He theorizes that the herceptin has kept them at bay. On the other hand I am wondering if the nodules are benign. She is tired of treatment but scared of mets. Anyone had experience with this?

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited January 2017

    Almasi, your Mom can always ask that they be biopsied to stop the speculation and give her and her doc a clearer picture on which to make decisions.

    Hopibg they truly are benign nodules.

    Love n hugs. Chrissy

  • Christina313
    Christina313 Member Posts: 27
    edited January 2017

    Thanks for the recommendations. I never even thought about sleeping in a dark room. Yes I will pick up a copy of the book. Between myself and her grandchild, we try to keep her busy and share some laughs. Thanks for your help. Bless you all


    Christina

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited January 2017

    Oh, a grandchild is very good medicine, indeed. For anyone reading who wondered about the dark room, it is to allow natural melatonin production and a normal circadian rhythm, which may be anti-cancer.

  • jenjenl
    jenjenl Member Posts: 948
    edited January 2017

    Morning ladies,

    On 12/28 the pain started in my upper abdominal area. above the belly button to the right but below the ribs. The pain is not constant/all day but frequent occurrences through the day. I have not observed any patterns such as pain occurring after eating, or sleeping on one side or with activity or when pressing down on the area. The pain is a little harder for me to describe – some times a sharp ache and sometimes it feels like pulling. I had a chest scan early September so not sure how far down the chest it goes to see the liver area. The only thing it said "small hiatal hernia is present. The visualized upper abdominal organs show nothing significant."

    I saw my onc mid December and labs seemed good or they didn't say anything:

    August labs ALT = 26 / AST 26

    December labs ALT 38 / AST 31

    I saw my oncologist yesterday and he wants to proceed with a scan to be safe - it's scheduled tomorrow at 9 am. I was curious if there were others that could describe their liver pain. I am not freaking out yet as the pain isn't there all day and the frequency isn't increasing day over day. I'm over here hoping for a busted gallbladder or something :)

    Any feedback is welcomed!

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited January 2017

    Hi jenjenl, I'm no doc but your mention of a small hiatus hernia made me think that the pain you feel is from that rather than mets but I'm really glad that your onc is checking it out just in case. Good luck with your scan.

    Love n hugs. Chrissy

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited January 2017

    I can only address the issue of supplements, which I have experience with, as I have not had liver pain and do not deal with her2+.

    I began taking supplements several months *after* chemo, surgery and radiation. I cannot say for sure that they keep me stable, but I feel proactive taking them. I consider them complimentary treatment to what I already had and to go along with the Arimidex I take daily and the zometa iv I get every three months. The arimidex is what I attribute stability the most.

    Here is a photo of the supplements I take. The vitamin D I get on Amazon. The others I get onlineat Vitacost. Combined, they cost less than $150 for a year's worth.

    Also, I agree with Shetland. The Anticancer book is great reading. Your mom is blessed to have a caring daughter in you. Best wishes for both of you.

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  • jenjenl
    jenjenl Member Posts: 948
    edited January 2017

    Chrissy, we did discuss this and he mentioned the pain would be in the mid chest area.

  • jenjenl
    jenjenl Member Posts: 948
    edited January 2017

    Chrissy,

    Scan went fine, called for results today (24 hr turn around). No cancer. They think it's the hernia but are a little perplexed that i don't feel the pain around my belly button but further to the right. The oncologist didn't have a desire to explore further since it was not cancer related. They scheduled me an appointment with a general surgeon for Tuesday for her to look at the scan further and confirm it's from the hernia. So, I'm obviously pretty pumped. xo

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