Markers, oncotype and other MOquestions
I am currently a patient at MSK. the doctors don't seem to think it's important to get it Ian oncotype type test. I did have a grade 3 tumor. I thought to be grade 2 but then after the mastectomy the pathogy showed grade 3. I asked her about The oncotype and Two doctors said it didn't matter because I was going to get chemo anyway. I asked him about K I 67 test they said they don't do those and I asked them about markers in blood tests and they said they had found that those can provide to many false positive so what does all this mean and why do other centers do it and not mine?
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With only one positive node and both er and pr positive I would think getting an oncodx test is worth it. I wouldn't let the grade make the decision.
I would think any additional information would be a good thing. I would not take chemo so lightly. AI drugs are proven very effective against hormone positive cancer.
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yeah that's what I thought. But they won't do it. It's Sloan so what do I do. They said with an aggressive cancer they would always say chemo
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See someone else. These decisions should not be taken lightly. You are the one in charge not them.
You can contact these places directly and ask, I know I was considering the symphony-test which was more genetic gene testing. But for me the tumors were too old.
Here is the eligibility note 1 to 3 positive nodes and post menopausal
http://breast-cancer.oncotypedx.com/en-GB/Patient-...
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Hi scaredashell:
I posted some information about ki-67 in another thread yesterday:
. . . Ki-67 is a protein that is a marker of cell proliferation or cell growth (a higher percentage suggests more dividing tumor cells).
In general, rapidly dividing cells may be more responsive to chemotherapy. The 2015 St. Gallen panel commented:
"There can be little doubt that Ki-67 scores carry robust prognostic information [24], and that high values predict the benefit of addition of cytotoxic chemotherapy [25], but definition of a single useful cut point has proved elusive both because Ki-67 displays a continuous distribution [26], and as a result of analytic and preanalytic barriers to standardized assessment [27]."
In other words, despite the results of studies which report some prognostic and predictive value, there are technical issues with determination of ki-67 percentages by standard IHC methods, including interobserver variability (different results when different people perform the test on the same sample) and lack of reproducibility across laboratories, as explained in detail here:
Polley (2013): "An International Ki67 Reproducibility Study"
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/105/24/1897.full
(Free PDF available via link)
Also, different studies use different values as cut points or cut-offs between what is considered "low" or "high" ki-67.
All of this makes it difficult to rely on the results of clinical studies in which ki-67 was determined in other labs and to interpret the clinical significance of a ki-67 test result based on such studies. Accordingly, some institutions no longer perform ki-67 testing (at this time), and clinical consensus guidelines (e.g., from ASCO) do not generally support the broad use of ki-67 protein (determined by standard IHC) to guide adjuvant chemotherapy decisions.
BarredOwl
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Thanks, BarredOwl. Your explanation of the testing and why different centers might make different choices was very helpful. Scaredashell07, can you get a second opinion? You sound uncomfortable with thei MSK decision. Have you had a good rapport with your MO until this point?
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thanks barred- I got a second opinion from another center bit they're not a NCI center. I do trust my mo just have all these questions and seems centerSdo their own thing
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