Coffee and estrogen
I read elsewhere on this site recently someone claiming that coffee increases estrogen production in women. I did further checking since I'm highly ER+ and was estrogen-dominant before dx. Since I'm a coffee drinker, I freaked out when reading that it might increase my estrogen, but got good confirmation I can still drink it from the research below.
It seems that Asian women's estrogen increases when they drink coffee as well as AA women but white women's levels dropped.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25691730
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I just read the study as well and I think this is good news all round for all coffee lovers!
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I vowed after my pregnancy with dd that I would never give up coffee again, and I haven't. I was pregnant in '92, when some study had concluded that pregnant women shouldn't drink coffee. I gave up cigarettes and alcohol no problem, but giving up my morning coffee was absolutely dreadful. Then when dd was a few years old, they did another study and concluded that moderate during pregnancy was just fine. Grrrrrrrr!
Glad to know that it is ok for ER+ as well.
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gary null has said many times that coffee is extremely acidic. I've had three cups of it in almost 10 years. still crave it sometimes but never get around to making or getting any lately. a cup of st dalfour's organic darjeeling tea occasionally satisfies too.
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Where is Mr. Null's evidence? I think the above referenced research provides evidence that moderate coffee drinking, up to 4 cups a day is not a problem,
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Coffee also seems to protect livers against liver disease--not that I'm worried--but I figure my liver, b/c of chemo and all the RX drugs I took by mouth during tx--plus my seemingly lifelong commitment to taking Exemestane--could use a bit of added protection.
I drink half full caffeinated organic coffee and half decaf organic--grind my own beans. It works for me since I've suffered with on again, off-again generalized anxiety disorder for about 20 years now.
I am so highly estrogenic that the study was a good thing for me to read.
I agree with Momine: not giving up coffee. Coffee is such a lovely thing, and a final aside--I've tried drinking green tea, but it really, really upsets my stomach. Talk about acidic. I've cut so far back on drinking wine, also bad for ILCrs like me, that coffee is what I really look forward to now.
Claire
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PS: who is Gary Null?
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gary null. progressive radio network noon est m - f
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wiki is notorious for castigating anything alternative, at age 71 Gary Null runs marathons.
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Excellent on the marathons, but that speaks little to evidence based research on his theories.
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he never says anything without studies to mention, he reads the medical journals and reports on them pretty much exclusively
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I surrender!
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so listen. the health stuff these days is very short fifteen minutes about, the rest politics, sometimes interesting. progressive radio network m - f noon est
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I guess the above posts from 24 hours ago till now are talking about Gary Null's claim that coffee produces acidic reactions in the body? And I would agree with that. Don't even need his proof.
However, acidity is a different issue from my original post, which was that coffee, for certain ethnicities of women, lowers estrogen...which made me happy, and that's why I posted the original link.
Claire in AZ
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Interesting topic, Claire. The abstract lists so many benefits of benefits of coffee. I notice that the women in the study were all Swedish, and I wonder if the results would hold true for other women of European descent. You mentioned Asian women -- is that from another study? The literature seems to be mixed and I wonder if there are different genotypes that respond differently to coffee. (It could be the case with soy as well. My former onc showed me a study that said soy is safe, but the study population was all Chinese women.)
In my case, all my adult life until bc treatment, coffee and chocolate caused my cyclical (hormonal) breast tenderness to worsen. I have fibrocystic breasts, and was told to avoid caffeine and chocolate. Sometimes I did and sometimes I didn't. On tamoxifen I did not experience the soreness, presumably because the drug was blocking estrogen in the breast tissue. (No soreness now either with permanent chemopause/menopause). Therefore, I think that maybe caffeine and chocolate are not good for me because they might stimulate the breast cancer cells, which are after all, my breast cells gone awry. I asked the oncology nutritionist about my idea and she had not thought of it, but said it was an interesting question. Any thoughts? That said, I do have coffee, caffeinated green tea, or chocolate occasionally, because darn it, I want them!
I'm not arguing any particular position here, just interested in the discussion.
The site http://foodforbreastcancer.com/foods/coffee
has a long list of studies regarding breast cancer and coffee. The article discusses genotype, fibrocystic breast condition, and other factors and concludes:
The Bottom Line
Based on the available evidence, women with benign breast disease should avoid coffee consumption. Moderate coffee consumption appears to be safe for most postmenopausal women, including breast cancer survivors. Drinking coffee may be beneficial for those undergoing treatment with tamoxifen. The potential risks of heavy coffee consumption appear to outweigh the potential benefits for most premenopausal women and it would appear prudent for them to limit coffee consumption. Coffee should not be consumed during chemotherapy.
We present these tentative conclusions for the many coffee drinkers who cannot wait until more definitive studies are published to decide whether to drink coffee. However, more research is needed to clarify the association between coffee drinking and breast cancer risk and prognosis.
Additional comments
Organic coffee is a better choice than non-organic coffee since coffee is often grown using high levels of pesticides.
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Lenamir,
It is only 'good news all around' if you're white.
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Ditto for MsLatte's comment. Benefits only help those who are white/Anglo, Western Euro ethnicity.Asian and African ethnicities don't benefit.
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As an Asian woman and coffee lover, I'm highly concerned now 🙁. Claire you mention Asian women and increasing estrogen in drinking coffee, but I didn't see mention of that in the article, maybe I missed it? Where did you find that?
Thanks Claire so much for posting this!
PB
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I don't care. I've given up sugar and dairy and gluten and all prepared foods with artificial ingredients. I use only organic and safe beauty, personal care and cleaning products. I take a drug that gives me hot flashes and makes me constipated and rather miserable in a general kind of way. I am so NOT giving up my java. They can pry my coffee cup out of my cold dead hands!
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LOL, labelle! I have always had a generally healthy diet and lifestyle, though not compulsive. I believe that pleasure and enjoyment in ones life is good medicine, so in that spirit, I raise my cup of coffee to you ☕️ !
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Ok I found my answer here, I think it's from a separate study not related to breast cancer, but about coffee and estrogen levels.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/240894.ph...
Sadly...it does say that 2 cups of coffee a day for Asians increases their estrogen levels, and I am highly estrogen positive. With 3 young kids at home, I feel like I need to do all I can to rid estrogen from my body...I will do some more research about this to see if I can find out more, but for now bye bye coffee 🙁.
Have an extra cup for me ladies 🙂, and thanks again Claire for bringing this to my attention!
PB
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pboi,
See if you can find out specifically in which region of Asia the test subjects originated . Asia is a big place. Asian-glow, for instance, (a toxic reaction to alcohol) affects primarily Koreans and Japanese. Maybe there's hope!
FYI, autocorrect changes pboi to oboist. If you see a post addressed to oboist, you should probably read it
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It is just one study...small sample 250, with young participants 18-44. So keep that in mind...
That being said...for me I'm choosing to give up coffee for now...until I can find out whether it is beneficial or harmful to me.
PB
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I think a lot of these food-cancer studies are not that meaningful. Since we know genetics plays a huge role on how we metabolize our drugs, I imagine the same is said for the food we eat. That and each of us has a different gut flora that contributes to what the body does.
I know women alcoholics who never got cancer (and are now in their late 70s). I had patients that ate "perfectly" and landed in our cardiac care and patients who were sent to us to "clean up their eating" and they never got heart disease...even with extremely high cholesterol. I've also known women who did HRT and have no cancer, and women like me, who got it before the issue even became important.
One study I read when I worked for a wellness doc stuck in my mind...A group of people who ate "what they were supposed to" and did not enjoy it but ate it anyway, "for health," ended up not getting nearly the benefits that were expected (according to labs). People who were followed eating what they enjoyed, even if it was not "optimum" health food, saw better health. Of course, bags of chips and poundage of burgers and pizza is not the answer, but there's something to be said for quality of life. Our bodies may know more than we think they do.
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Always a voice of reason, Wallycat!
I figure that, since coffee also relieves mild depression, if I gave it up I would probably sink into a deep depression (wink) which would be bad for me, and my stress levels, and therefore my body. I figure with my half decaf/half full caffeine blend of coffee I drink maybe 2 cups a day. Which doesn't seem egregious to me.
http://www.prevention.com/mind-body/emotional-heal...
Like Iabelle, I've made so many lifestyle changes since dx that I am hell NO not giving up my morning coffee. At least it's organic.
I'm sticking by what the report I linked claims, small sample or not. There are more research reports out there that make similar claims--coffee lowers estrogen in some women based on ethnicity. I just linked one.
Claire in AZ
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hi claire...i think you misunderstood me, the small sample i was referring to was about asians and african americans potentially having higher estrogen levels due to coffee consumption, not the study you had linked which actually has quite a large sample.
From what I've seen so far I agree with you, that unless you are of Asian or African American ancestry, organic coffee does seem to have a multitude of health benefits. Good news I believe for most of you.
It's just for me as an Asian woman, more of a gray area. I enjoy my coffee, but its not that important to me. Thx again! 🙂
PB
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Hi PB, you're right, I rather misunderstood, but thanks for the kind note. I appreciate it, and if I were you, I'd feel the same way for the time being (until better research is released saying it's okay for everyone to drink some coffee).
Claire
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