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  • georgiaredskin
    georgiaredskin Member Posts: 214
    edited November 2016

    Interesting, BB. I have had no pain in neck or head (except one day a clear migraine). And I usually get neck pain after a long day at work. I will take tingling over pain any day

  • MelsMontie
    MelsMontie Member Posts: 72
    edited November 2016

    I have been an idiot, and I really don't like what I am thinking now.  I have had blood in my urine for a year.  My first thoughts were kidney stones, because I have had the "joy" of that experience over a decade ago.  I went off of Aromasin last January.   I can't believe I just read the symptoms of Ovarian cancer, and ... I have every symptom plus some....  Do I waste time with my OB/GYN or go straight to my oncologist?  I can't tell my best friend. She just lost her dad to Lung cancer.  We have been BFF for almost 30 years. I am not saying anything to my husband until I know.

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited November 2016

    Hi MelsMontie, I would see you Gynae first asap..........he/she will be able to give you a definitive dx and set out a treatment plan should you indeed have Ovarian Cancer.

    Please don't beat yourself up, we all often take time to respond to things we really don't want to face .

    Please let us know what your Gynae says.

    Love n hugs. Chrissy

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2016

    Mel'sMonte you are not an idiot . My sister has a good friend who TEACHES women how to watch for symptoms of ovarian cancer. It's her JOB. She got ovarian cancer after a short spell of ignoring all her own symptoms. Her diagnosis came fast with a bloated stomach finally which she tried to ignore until it was pointed out to her. She was treated and is fine now after rads and surgery. Your symptoms have been around for a long time to be ovarian cancer. I would see a Urologist if I were you to be checked for bladder cancer. Good luck sweetie we are here for you.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited November 2016

    Melsmonte, the symptoms of ovarian cancer are do vagu that they can be from a lot of things. Call your Gyn and get checked

  • MelsMontie
    MelsMontie Member Posts: 72
    edited November 2016

    Well, thank you everybody for your input.  My OB/GYN has moved too far away for me to use.  I called my oncologist and got in the next day with a nurse. They pulled blood, (not from my portacath, because it refused to give) and all the blood work came back normal. Tumor markers were good.  They gave me a CT that day.  Nothing appears on it.  I have already seen my urologist, and it isn't coming from that "system".  My husband was frustrated with me over weight loss and lack of appetite for any food, asked me why I thought I had such a problem.  I asked him if he really wanted to go down that road, and when he did, I told him my thoughts.  I had an Endoscopic Ultrasound and biopsied on my stomach.  I was told I would have the results in 4 working days.  I have never been so frustrated getting results.  One person who answered, said she would pass the message on.  Anyway, finally had my husband and Oncologist call the a-hole... and within minutes, he finally called me back, 3 days after my results were due.  Everything he biopsied came back clear.  So, my oncologist is trying to get me an appointment with another OB/GYN closer to home.  Hopefully quickly.  What "was" spotting, has now turned into bleeding.  I haven't had a period since my first chemo in October 2009.  My pelvis tenderness is all time high.  I have lost 30 pounds per my oncologist, who having been told by the nurse I was seeing,  about me, she came and talked to me.   I have blurry vision frequently.  Besides being so concerned about my current health, I am terrified of what insurance companies are going to do.  If they have a $13,000.oo deductible, I might as well just plan my funeral.  Every year, $13,000.oo deductible... but that is something I just have to let go of.  I am so distraught about it all, I am not getting anything accomplished.  Binge TV watching... mindless games on my ipad.  Trying not to think.  Waiting impatiently for my appointment with an OB/GYN, preferably before the new year, since I have met my deductible this year.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2016

    Still in my prayers....we're here for you. Gentle hugs, sweetie.

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited November 2016

    Good morning all. I'm a little confused about my staging actually. DX with mets to liver and lung July 2016. Did 12 x Etoposide and Cisplatin along with 6 rads to my chest to zap a 7cm tumor on my heart, specifically my supra vena cava which was the jumping off point for the whole DX becuase of major swelling to my upper body. In October my MO said I had a complete response to TX which is wonderful. He then had me meet with the RO to talk about WBR to prevent brain mets. I'm scheduled for December 5 for 10 TX over 2 weeks.

    My question is really side effects from WBR. Long and short term. I've been doing some reading on the brain mets boards but don't feel right chiming in because I presently don't have brain mets. Any comments or advise is greatly appreciated.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2016

    I have never heard of preventative rads! That would have me confused too.

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited November 2016

    I'm being told and also through some reasearch I've done myself that the next stop for mets to present is brain mets with being lung and HER positive. Chemo doesn't break the blood brain barrier so if micro mets are there they wouldn't be wiped out that way. CT scan didn't show any thing and I can't have an MRI right now because I still have my TE in. I was hoping to have already completed by recon by now but all this kicked up in July. So its like should I be grateful that this is an option or what??? I was so bowled over when my MO told me the positive news 3 weeks ago I never thought to ask about staging. Then I met with the RO a week ago. scheduled the mask fitting and rads TX and figured I could get some answers in the meanwhile


  • mara51506
    mara51506 Member Posts: 5,088
    edited November 2016

    I can't specifically speak to the preventative end, except to suspect they may want to do it since lots of us HER2 gals/guys can develop brain mets. I was a brain met only person.

    WBR is doable with a few things added. If you do it, be aware you will lose any hair you may have. You may be put on steroids, though if you do not have brain swelling, you could probably wean off sooner. Biggest SE's are fatigue, nausea while getting. The fatigue will last a couple of months, rest a lot. Get ranitidine for stomach protection.

    Since you are not having neurological issues ie headaches, seizures etc, you should have good results. Normally, those issues can get worse before getting better. I did not have any issues, so treatment was doable. There may be some short term memory loss. My experience a couple months out is that it no different than chemo. Making lists makes all the difference.

    If your onc thinks this is needed, it is worth considering. Better than waiting for lesions to possibly show up and cause neuro issues. FYI, please do visit Brain Mets Sisters. A few of us have had WBR with good results. Good place for any other questions about it.

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited November 2016

    Thanks Mara51506

    I wonder if the dose is low with prevenative vs not.. No mention of Steroids at all or nausea meds either. Yes was advised about the hair loss. Damn and it was just growing back. Hopefully it will again. Edited to add that I did well with the 6 doses I received in July for the heart tumor. Had some fatigue but that was about it for SE's

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2016

    But what are they zapping? There must be something they are aiming for.... I just don't see how radiation now can prevent brain mets later.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2016

    Okay, I've read up (Googled) some cases of "preventative" WBR but am still concerned for you. There see to be issues of cognitive difficulty afterwards, I just can't imagine. I am currently being checked for brain mets and wonder if they offered me wbr if I would even do it without a definite diagnosis! There ARE chemos that cross the blood/brain barrier that must surely be less invasive.

    From what I remember when Frankie had WBR, she only lost her hair where the zaps went. The rest stayed.

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited November 2016

    Barbe1958. Because my lung cancer was small cell carcinoma the next stop is brain mets in all liklihood for me I;m being told. PCI is now the standard of care in preventing or prolonging the DX of brain mets if a patient has had a complete response to TX for SCC. They're could already be micro mets lurking that chemo can't get to because of the blood brain barrier. My HER DX also plays a role in being at a higher risk for mets to the brain.

    I have to say though I'm kind of freaking out thinking about SE's long term but then again if I don't go the PCI route and and DX with brain mets I'll be kicking myself

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited November 2016

    MyLeftBoob - I'm with Barbe. i would definitely get a second opinion. It was my understanding that BC mets usually to go lungs, liver, bones or brain but I haven't heard of preventative rads.

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited November 2016

    I'm going to call my RO in the morning (or his nurse). Would I be correct that if I have PCI that in the event I do somehow get DX with brain mets down the road that I wouldn't be able to have WBR? You can only have radiation in one area one time right?

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited November 2016

    MyLeftBoob - do you have an MO (medical oncologist)? I would guess calling an RO would include discussions about radiation, but you need to discuss other issues too.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2016

    I found a great article, I hope this links: http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/content/5/4...

    It is a very, very small dose daily of max 2 gys up to a total of 25-40. If you consider that I just had 9,500 gys to my chest wall, neck and left axillae, it does seem to be a very small amount. Is it worth it??

    What I understand you saying is that your lung cancer was NOT breast cancer, right? So you have both the risk of lung AND breast cancer mets to brain. Do I have that correct? I'm getting it now....

    The article does say it doesn't help morbidity. In other words, you still have the same death risk, it just delays the final diagnosis. Tough call, sweetie. I'd like a panel to discuss my case, as I'm sure your's has.

    Your hair will not grow back where they zap. My heart goes out to you, gentle hugs.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited November 2016

    MLB, this sounds like a situation where getting expert advice including a second opinion, and individualizing treatment, is essential. One thought, maybe a silly one, but could you choose to have the TE removed in order to get a brain MRI?

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2016

    I'm having the same MRI issue as I have a non-compliant pacemaker and can't get an MRI. They won't change it out unless I had an infection as the surgery to get the leads out is pretty invasive. So I'm getting a cerebral CT angiography on Dec 7th and a 4th CT in February if the Dec one doesn't highlight what we need to see.

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited November 2016

    Minus Two and Barb1958. I did speak to both my MO and the SR MO, the attending MO and my RO and they're all highly recommending it and I do in particular totally respect my MO and the Sr.'s MO's opinions. I also have 2 friends that are stage IV and they said they would do it in a heartbeat. Particuarly one gal who mets to lung, liver and bone where treatment is no longer working for her and she doesn't have this option. So I am reaching out everywhere for opinions and feedback. I read that article Barb1958 among others but I appreciate you sending the link.


    Shetland Pony

    I've actually called my plastic surgeon to see if she could do the swap out in the very near future for that very reason. I was going to have a lift to the good side but I'll just leave that alone. Why bother really.

  • mara51506
    mara51506 Member Posts: 5,088
    edited November 2016

    Glad to hear you have good trust MLB.

    WBR is a fairly hot button topic, there are those of us who support it, those who do not. A lot of articles will say it is heavy handed. My feeling is that not enough good results are reported and there is a great deal of fear. I had the same fear myself, but would have kicked myself as well if I did not do it and got more mets sooner. There are no guarantees on anything.

    You could ask RO about hippocampus sparing radiation and/or taking the alzheimer drug Namenda which is clinically shown to lower the possible cognitive decline with few SE's.

    I think you will have some good questions for you RO/MO, I totally see why they want to do it between the Her2 and the lung cancer. It would be a good chance to lower the odds of mets. Good luck with whatever you decide. I also know that some considerations have to do with what OHIP will cover. Glad you trust your team. I trust my MO as well to know what would be best given the likelihood and risk of future mets based on your dx. Some of the advice offered by others may have added more for you to ask about, that is always good.

    Re the hair not growing back, it can and usually does grow back. See recent picture of SusaninSF on the brain mets thread, link is below. Though there is a small risk of it not coming back full or at all, to say it WON'T grow back simply isn't true.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topics/777599?page=166


  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited November 2016

    Mara

    You read my mind I think. I actually just made a note about hippocampus sparing to ask about that. I'm also going to do some more reading here about WBR, I didn't realize it was a hot button topic. I just came back to BCO a couple of days ago actually so need to spend more time reading through the threads.

  • mara51506
    mara51506 Member Posts: 5,088
    edited November 2016

    No problem. I made it sound like censorship. WBR just elicits strong opinions both pro and con. Glad I was able to help with an extra question to ask. Keep us posted on the brainmets thread what you decide.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2016

    MLF I hope you understand we post out of concern and to gain knowledge. As you said, you wanted feedback. All is not rainbows and unicorns farts here. This is where the rubber hits the road. There are others reading these posts learning off your experience and our questions. It's all good.

    About the comment of permanent hair loss I've only known of 6 or so friends here that had WBR and none had their hair growt back. My underarm hair isn't growing back and my RO told me to not expect it to. Pardon my ignorance.

    I am still confused about your stage 4 friends wanting WBR. I am Stage IV myself and am holding out on something like that as long as possible. And certainly not before mets is confirmed. I do believe it is VERY effective and pray it all works out for you.

  • Myleftboob
    Myleftboob Member Posts: 1,469
    edited November 2016

    Barb

    I do totally want the feedback, good, bad all of it Since I've posted yesterday I've call my RO's nurse with questions and made a further list for today. What my 2 friends eluded to was if PCI was an option for them to prevent brain mets, they said they would do it. I spent a couple of hours reading through the posts on the Brain Mets Sister Thread and I've hardley scratched the surface but I'm going to keep on reading over the weekend.

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    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2016

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  • stephaniegee
    stephaniegee Member Posts: 81
    edited November 2016

    So I found a pea sized lump a little while ago (just next to my implant). Saw my surgical oncologist today and showed it to him. He said if I hadn't shown him he would not have noticed it. He did feel it but said it was very small (size of a pea) and so it probably wouldn't show up on an ultrasound or they wouldn't be able to tell what it was. He said it didnt seem "serious" and could just be a gland, but that's also what he said about my original tumour. He said to just watch it and to go back in 4 months or sooner if it gets any bigger. It wasn't very reassuring but also not negative. Does this sound right?


  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2016

    Very common to take the wait and see approach. He's looking for growth or for it to resolve itself. Also, your period can make a difference too. I think pea sized would show up on ultrasound...how small are the peas where you live? LOL

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