40 yo, newly diagnosed, initially DCIS, now IDC HER-2 positive

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kmk40
kmk40 Member Posts: 42

Hello there, I'm new to this community, diagnosed on 10/13/16 with DCIS. I've found your posts helpful, and I thought I'd see if anyone else had/has HER-2 positive IDC. The pathologist found two (only two) foci of 0.4 mm outside of the duct from my lumpectomy tumor (which was 4 cm). I met with RO and MO this week and was shockedthat MO wants me to have chemo (taxol) and Herceptin. I've been reading about the Onco tests on here, and my MO didn't discuss this at all. Anyone have HER-2 positive IDC and able to avoid Taxol? It sounds silly, but I don't know if I can mentally handle the hair loss, knowing the invasive portion is literally microscopic.

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  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited November 2016

    Hmm, was your DCIS/IDC Grade 3? HER2+ is a very aggressive form of breast cancer; fortunately, due to targeted therapies (like Herceptin and Perjeta), outcomes for HER2+ have improved in recent years. The Oncotype test is only for hormone positive/HER2- cancer, so no, your MO wouldn't order that.

    Since the invasive portion of your cancer is small (less than 1 cm.), the standard treatment is Taxol + Herceptin, which is gentler than the treatments for HER2+ cancer that is larger than 1 cm. (As you can see from my signature, I ended up getting AC + THP.) Some women have been able to get Herceptin alone, but typically the initial infusions of Herceptin are given with a taxane (either Taxol or its harsher cousin Taxotere). Alas, yes, Taxol does lead to hair loss, but at least it's not associated with a very very small chance of permanent hair loss like Taxotere. You could ask your MO about Herceptin alone, and you could seek second opinions from others. But, MO is just suggesting the standard treatment; there's nothing all that unusual about her recommendation.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited November 2016

    Hi Kmk40-

    Welcome to the community! We're sorry for the circumstances that have brought you here, but we hope you find support and advice when you need it.

    Have you checked out our IDC forum? Lots of good info and knowledgeable members who may be able to answer your questions: https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/96.

    The Mods

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited November 2016

    kmk,

    If you do chemo check out cold caps. There are some threads with people that saved their hair during chemo.

  • kmk40
    kmk40 Member Posts: 42
    edited November 2016

    Thank you for the recommendations! I will check out cold caps and IDC forum. ElaineTherese, I appreciate your perspective, as you've been through a similar course. I don't have the details on the newest pathology from the invasive portion. The DCIS was Grade 3, but it was also ER+/PG+ and HER2 negative, but the invasive portion was ER-/PG+ and HER2 positive. The MO explained how this can differ. I was just shocked because my surgeon from the beginning said No chemo, we caught it early, so it was not what I expected. But I've learned in the last month, never say never. And be thankful it was caught early. I don't look forward to explaining all of this to my young children.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited November 2016

    Yes, it is hard to explain cancer to young children. I believe there are some books out there (Help, fellow BCO members???) that are useful in that regard. My daughter was 15, and her brothers have autism so I only had to really explain things to my daughter. (The boys were freaked out by the wig, and have a new appreciation for my natural hair since it grew back!) Surgeons are not experts on chemo; oncologists are. Your surgeon (believing you had DCIS) meant well, but no one knows whether DCIS is invasive until the surgery and pathology report. ((Hugs))

  • Lvbugs
    Lvbugs Member Posts: 64
    edited November 2016

    I was hoping I would have been able to skip chemo to, but MO really pushed for it. Can't get around it with Her2+. Looked into cold caps, but couldn't commit to the regimen. Thought my hair wouldn't look good after not being able to wash it so what was the point to keep it. Yes, it was horrible to lose the hair, but if it didn't happen I would have never known how short hair actually looks good on me. A little silver lining. The chemo is doable. I would have really regretted not doing it and have a recurrence. Hugs to you

  • SpringerMom
    SpringerMom Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2016

    My dx was the same as yours, and my oncologist felt that I didn't need Herceptin because the area was so tiny. I didn't push for it, even though as a nurse I felt I should. A year and a half later the cancer was back, in the same spot and an additional spot. Because I had already had a lumpectomy and radiation, I had to have a mastectomy. I went ahead and did both. Please go for the most aggressive treatment your doctor recommends.

    As for hair loss, I have alopecia universalis, so I didn't have hair anyway. I get compliments daily on how gorgeous my hair is, and it's a 14. wig from China! It's all in the attitude!!

  • kmk40
    kmk40 Member Posts: 42
    edited November 2016

    Thanks so much, Springermom. I truly appreciate your perspective and experience. I've been through highs and lows over the last week, but have finally come to the conclusion that I will do what I have to do to decrease my recurrence risk.

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