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  • b2alicia
    b2alicia Member Posts: 64
    edited November 2016

    Hi Brave Warriors! So my 2nd infusion was last Thursday, 11/17/16. And today is 11/21/16, so ... 4 days? This discussion forum is turning out to be a great archive of symptoms and when they occur and subside. By Day 4 last time, I was already having MOUTH symptoms and the beginning of diarrhea. So far this time, nothing but fatigue. But I am being very careful about taking the PROBIOTICS, and the L- GLUTAMINE, which work well for me. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed, and hope that you all do okay with your side effects also.

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  • Abracadabra
    Abracadabra Member Posts: 1,369
    edited November 2016

    Hi everyone ... I'm back. Welcome to new folks, and hugs to all. I finally got through my chemo #3 (AC) today, and it was fine. I'll have to wait to see if any SEs come knocking on my door. But something new came up today, for which I am seeking your advice.

    Those who know me may remember that after my last chemo, I developed neutropenia and an abdomen infection which landed me in the hospital. They gave me a shot of Neulasta, which raised my neutrophils very well. Based on this experience, my MO told me that she wants to include this type of shot into my regular AC chemo sessions. But here's the problem: I don't have private insurance (I'm covered by government insurance instead), and so I'm going to get Neupogen instead of Neulasta.

    Unlike Neulasta (which is given as a single shot the day after chemo), Neupogen is a series of 5 daily injections, which start the day after chemo. The injection is in the BELLY. And I'm supposed to inject MYSELF!! I'm having a hard time getting myself psyched up for this.

    And so, I would love to hear from anyone who has done this (or even just heard of ANYONE ever doing this!) for advice, support, or commiseration. The syringes will be delivered to me tonight, so I will start tomorrow morning. GAAAAAAAA ........

    Barb (trying to be a brave warrior, but feeling more like the cowardly lion right now!)


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  • lidabit
    lidabit Member Posts: 26
    edited November 2016

    julesbabe55 And those with anemia problems

    There are Two types of iron that you can eat in your diet: Heme and non-heme. Heme will give you the biggest boost and is best absorbed with vitamin C foods. Do not eat dairy with heme foods as it blocks absorption.

    Heme iron: animal sources and nuts and seeds and nut butters:

    • bone broth
    • Red meat/steak
    • Ground beef
    • Hamburger
    • Meatballs
    • Poultry
    • Fish
    • Etc

    Non Heme: plant sources

    • Spinach
    • Kale
    • Broccoli
    • Beans
    • Raisins
    • Lentils
    • Egg yolks
    • Whole grains
    • Fortified cereal
    Vitamin C:
    • Citrus fruits
    • Mango
    • Strawberry
    • Pineapple
    • Etc.

    Example of a good iron boosting meal- whole wheat tortilla (non heme) with spinach (non heme and vitamin C) and ground beef (heme) and bell peppers (vitamin C) and black beans (non-heme) Berries or oranges (vitamin C) on the side.

    You can also cook in a cast iron skillet and you will increase the iron you absorb.

    Sorry for so much information, it is the nurse in me

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  • Miles
    Miles Member Posts: 62
    edited November 2016

    Hello everyone. I have been MIA for a bit. I ended up with a cold and it has wiped me out. I am getting better. I am scheduled for Chemo # 3 on the 29th.

    (((hugs))) to all of you.

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  • Ella22
    Ella22 Member Posts: 39
    edited November 2016

    Betty- Happy #2 is going easier! I wished my infusion center had the beautiful view that yours does.! Hug

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  • Miles
    Miles Member Posts: 62
    edited November 2016

    Barb- Ahhhh! Have your husband or son give you the shot. I haven"t had to give myself the exact shot that you have to give yourself. I have given myself other shots and found that the harder I pinch myself before and during the shot the easier it is. No fun! That fact that you are going to take the shot is the brave part. Courage is feeling the fear and doing it anyway. In my book you are Super Woman!

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  • Daisy777
    Daisy777 Member Posts: 23
    edited November 2016

    Abracadabra-I haven't given myself neupogen shots, but many years ago had to do some needles in the belly. The thought of doing it was actually worse than doing it..I felt like you did...and I actually preferred giving the needles to myself rather than having someone else doing it. The first time will be the worst... mentally anyway. Hopefully they explained how to do it??..it's easier than you think. Good luck, I'm cheering for you!

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  • Ella22
    Ella22 Member Posts: 39
    edited November 2016

    Barb- I think Daisy777 said it perfect! The thought of doing it is actually worse than doing it! I know you can do it and you will get through it! You are stronger than you think! Hugs and Prayers...

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  • Abracadabra
    Abracadabra Member Posts: 1,369
    edited November 2016

    I love you guys! Your responses were just what I needed to hear. I know I'm going to do this ... like many other things we go through, the waiting and anticipating is often the worst part. It's just that that's where my head is stuck right now ... you are absolutely right, tomorrow the worst will be past.

    Your words of support bring good tears to my eyes, and I feel calmer. If you all think I can do this, well I guess I can do this! Thank you so much!!

    Barb

    (My son and husband are completely useless for this kind of thing ... not even an issue!)

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  • lidabit
    lidabit Member Posts: 26
    edited November 2016

    Barb,

    You will do so great! You are such a strong women this is just another way to demonstrate that. A little tip, take the medication out of the fridge about 30 minutes prior to giving so it is room temperature when you give it, if they tell you to store it in the fridge. Take a slow deep breath and inject slowly. I have to give myself the same shot due to my hospitalization and insurance too. It really isn't too bad. It doesn't burn. I didn't have any bleeding after I give them. Pinch the skin. If you pinch too hard you might bruise, but don't worry if you do bruise. The first time I have it to myself I bruised too because I was so nervous. You got this. Sending hugs and support. Message me anytime if you have any questions. I am a nurse and gave this shot a lot before I had to give it to myself.


    Elizabeth

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  • Abracadabra
    Abracadabra Member Posts: 1,369
    edited November 2016

    Thanks, Elizabeth ... I appreciate your post because you listed a number of things my nurse told me today (during my chemo infusion), but that I didn't write down! I'm going to use your post tomorrow as my instruction guide, and just walk through the steps until it is done. I'll follow up with you if I run into trouble ... but what could possibly go wrong?!

    Loopy

    Barb

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  • Melindawv
    Melindawv Member Posts: 19
    edited November 2016

    Barb. You got this! I know exactly how you are feeling. My insurance made me give myself the Nuelesta shot and I agree with everyone. Your mind makes it a lot worse then it actually is. I was told I could give it to myself in stomach, back of arm or thigh. And the recommendations from everyone is spot on. Just think you are fighting cancer this really is nothing compared to what you are already doing.

    Terry. I Love the pictures of Galveston my company sends me down there about 5 times a year and we always stay down in Galveston. Your pictures make me happy and sad. I miss being down there. I love walking in the beach. And would move down there if possible. Also love the food. Hope you enjoyed good seafood. And you like Ike's marvelous in the scarf you did an excellent job tiying especially if it didn't move in that wind down along the beach great job!!!

    Miles. Glad to see you back. Keep warm and hope you start feeling better soon

    Welcome all new posters hope you gain insight and strength from these awesome ladies

    I was suppose to have chemo3 but since my 21 days put it on Thanksgivig they decided to push it back an entire week. Wasn't thrilled with that at first but I am learning to roll with the punches and decided that I would be able to eat and enjoy this holiday so there is a silver lining

    Everyone take care

    Melinda

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  • VLH
    VLH Member Posts: 1,258
    edited November 2016

    Lisa / Daisy,

    I'm sorry to hear about your reaction to the AC. I tend to think of pain as being related to Neulasta rather than AC, but I ended up in the ER after my 3rd infusion. I got winded walking through my small house and became flushed with labored breathing from something as undemanding as standing at the stove for a few minutes scrambling eggs. The only thing the tests showed is that my port catheter had retracted 3 cm and had a loop in it, which wouldn't explain my symptoms. What did your oncologist say?

    ~~~~~~

    I'm concerned about my hand and arm swelling. I told the ER nurse my left arm was a lymphedema risk. She asked whether If had a mastectomy and I said no, but two lumpectomies and she put the IV in that arm. My swelling wasn't that obvious before although my watch band was uncomfortably tight, but now it's apparent. :-(

    Lyn


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  • Connie1230
    Connie1230 Member Posts: 192
    edited November 2016

    I had my 4th and last AC today. It's nice to think I've made it through the first phase of treatment at least. Now on to the next.

    I have what I'm assuming is a dumb question. When all of you talk about taking taxol, is that the same thing as paclitaxel? Ok, I am editing to add that I answered my own question by seeing in my treatments that I entered on here that yes, they re the same....duh. That and carboplatin are my next 2 chemos taken at the same infusion time for twelve weeks starting in 2 weeks. Is anyone else having the carboplatin?

    With the next two chemos, there will be no neulasta, no Emend and no dexamethasone. Since the oncologist has said the AC is the strongest chemo out there, I am choosing to believe that the risk of nausea is less. I will still have my 3 other nausea meds to take on an as needed status. She did say that my exhaustion should lessen in 3-4 weeks as the AC works it's way out of my system. I choose to believe this will really happen. I know everyone's reaction seems to be different but until I have it, I am choosing to think positive.

    I've been reading all of the posts and please know, I love reading them and anxiously await positive updates on those who have negative side effects. Unless I think I have something beneficial to add, I don't comment on many but you are all in my thoughts and prayers. Frankly, I have enough trouble concentrating to comment because I would have to do a post on each one. I don't seem to have the wherewithal to assumeI'm getting all the names straight to put them in one post.

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  • Nfullblume
    Nfullblume Member Posts: 171
    edited November 2016

    Hey hey sexy October ladies!! I'm out of the fog on treatment number 2. SEs were virtually the same. Wahoo! I have a question for the dose dense ladies..one of the November ladies has been having her Neulasta on body shot placed on her abdomen versus her arm. My worst side effect is insane headaches in my skull, jaw, and teeth. I attribute this to the Neulasta, since it's showed up about 24 hours after that shot each time. Mine has been attached to my arm. I'm wondering if I move the placement to my abdomen if I might can prevent some of the head pain. Do any of you place it on your belly and have not had headaches? I had a herniated cervical disc about 18 months ago and I feel like the pain and pressure is centered there.

    Let me know if you think moving t may be worth a try.

    Been having fun with some hats! The hair thing is pretty laughable. Cheers to a good sense of humor!image

    Love you ladies!!💕

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  • kshorten
    kshorten Member Posts: 102
    edited November 2016

    I'm on TC and get the Neulasta shot on my arm, my SE's from it are lower back pain but not headaches and it starts about 4 days after the shot. I would be afraid I would knock it off if it was on my stomach. And I love the hat and the big smile!

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  • chickdudefood
    chickdudefood Member Posts: 51
    edited November 2016

    Nfullblume, I knocked the Neulasta off my belly after chemo #1. If you do choose to put it there, ask them to tape it down with extra tape. (I do this on my arm, too.) The adhesive that comes with the Neulesta pod is really easy to dislodge, especially if you are half awake and pulling up your pants. So after chemo #1 I had to go into the office the next day for the shot. I get headaches too, even though the first shot in the hospital was in my belly and the second on my arm--so I don't know if location matters.

    Barb, I have to give myself a shot of B12 every month, a consequence of emergency bowel resection in 1998 because wayward endometrial tissue was causing a blockage. The part of the intestine that they removed is the part that metabolizes B12, so oral B12 isn't absorbed by my body. The first time was a little scary, and from time to time I give myself a bruise, but most of the time I can barely feel it and the worst part is holding the filled syringe above my leg (I inject into my thigh) and getting to the "just do it" moment. You've got this.

    I almost didn't have chemo #3 today. I ended up in the ER last night with a temp of 101 but no other symptoms. After 4 hours that included bloodwork, a chest X ray, a urine test, a flu swab, they found no sign of infection but noted that my white blood count was rising, and, thankfully, they sent me home to my own bed. Today, they were concerned that if the white blood count was too high, that would mean that an infection was lurking somewhere and they'd put off the chemo. I can't believe I was out there in the waiting room praying for chemo, but I was, and it did happen. I ran into a guy who was my cameraman back in my filmmaking days; he has a rare blood disorder whose name I didn't catch. Small world, but the chemo floor of a hospital in Cambridge, MA is kind of the last place I'd expect to see an old friend. We didn't have much time to catch up but we agreed that cancer sucks and that aging isn't piece of cake either. He's heading towards a bone marrow transplant which is far scarier to me than chemo and radiation. So tonight I'm grateful again to be in my own bed with 3 out of 8 infusions in the past and not the future.

    Love to all,

    Kate

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  • Nfullblume
    Nfullblume Member Posts: 171
    edited November 2016

    Kshorten, thanks!🤗

    Kate, I'm glad you're home. That's pretty scary. I thought they would delay my first infusion because of a cold, and it did feel strange to hope you'd get to be poisoned that day! Good luck on your next few days!

    I'll talk to the MO about the placement. I appreciate the feedback

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  • Al12
    Al12 Member Posts: 79
    edited November 2016

    Rache,

    I was told that placing nuelasta on belly is mostly for people that live at home alone and cant see the pod working when it beeps and so on. I don't think the side effects of it will change where you place it. I was also told by the nurses not to place tape over the pod because the factory notified that they had malfunctions of the way medicine was administered with the tape on. I had tape the first time they placed it and the last 3 times with out the tape. I liked it on my arm because it was more convenient for me and I was able to take a shower with that arm out of the shower. unfortunately the side effects pain of the shot are a bit brutal but for me they only last 24 hours thank god. I too have headache and my skull feels like it's being crushed and pressure in my neck. I also feel pain to the touch on my skin. I was not sure if that was from the A drug or nuelasta. I have to say my 3rd round hurt more and the 4th was not as bad at all. hope this helps.

    Connie1230, I am also done with the AC and was told it was the worst kind and that Taxol should be a breeze but I no longer believe what they say because we are all different. I'm very anxious I'm starting Dec 1st.

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  • b2alicia
    b2alicia Member Posts: 64
    edited November 2016

    Nfullblume, great photo of your beautiful smile! Kate, I'm glad you were able to go back home to your own bed! Connie, I am getting carboplatin as well in my cocktail. Lyn, so sorry about your arm swelling! Bad nurse! Bad nurse!

    We are having an early morning snow storm RIGHT in the middle of rush hour today. And I have my first eval/ appt with the acupuncture nurse this morning. Happily, they offer alternative care stuff up at my cancer center, and my fee per session will be $10. I used acupuncture before when I broke my leg, and I never had any problems afterwards. I'll tell you all about it later today.

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  • chickdudefood
    chickdudefood Member Posts: 51
    edited November 2016

    Hi,

    I just wanted to clarify that the tape I have doesn't go over the Neulasta pod, it just reinforces the adhesive around the edges of the pod that stick to your skin. Those are very narrow and not very sticky. So I have paper-type tape that just sits on top and a bit wider than the tape that comes with the Neulasta. On my arm, I can see it well enough in a mirror to check that the green light is blinking.

    I had a long talk with my onco nurse yesterday and she said the taxol was tolerated better by most people, at least in terms of nausea. The biggest SE seems to be the neuropathy. I will continue to get Neulasta throughout all of my chemo. I'm not keen on neuropathy, especially as a yoga teacher/regular practitioner, but whatever happens will happen. With #3 out of 8 done with, I'm just feeling grateful, even though I still face mastecotomy/temporary reconstruction surgery before radiation, and then surgery to remove the ovaries and fallopian tubes once I recover from the permanent reconstruction surgery after the radiation. I like to think that by a year from diagnosis (September 15) this will be in the past; that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    Love to all,

    Kate

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  • Milner
    Milner Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2016

    Hello All,

    I hope I'm following proper protocol. I've been reading a lot of posts and they have been so helpful but I'm having trouble finding others that are doing some things that I've tried.

    I started fed-d on October 27 and my 2nd November 17(both Thursdays 8am). On the recommendation of my Naturopath I fasted from the previous monday night until the following Friday. I took Emend before treatment as well as the steroids they gave me at the clinic. I have not had any nausea and the only side effects I feel I've had are from the steroid. I DO NOT LIKE THE STEROIDS. I did not take the ones they sent home with me, I continued with the Emend however. Anyone else like me? I'm a raving lune on those things, short tempered, mean, etc. I have rearranged all my furniture however and it looks quite nice.

    Today I feel normal again (5 days later) like the steroids are out of my system. I'm intimidated by my oncologist but wondering if I can ask for a reduction or elimination of the steroid entirely? Has anyone tried steroid free?

    Thanks,

    Mel

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  • Al12
    Al12 Member Posts: 79
    edited November 2016

    chickdudefood, I wanted to know since you mentioned you were getting a Mastectomy and the removal of ovaries and the fallopian tubes was that the initial suggestion by your breast surgeon? after I am done with chemo I will have my surgery but as far as what type my breast surgeon was only talking about a lumpectomy. since I am triple positive I want a double mastectomy with reconstruction and I want my ovaries and my fallopian tubes out. I just hope they will let me do that. I guess when I see my Oncologist in Dec with my next treatment I will ask again. I would hope they will let me do what I want but I"m afraid they will fight me on it. with the fact that my cancer is 100% hormone driven I do not want to take a chance on this coming back. I feel that I can change my lifestyle and diet to a certain extreme afterwards but what if I slip up? I will have to worry about cancer coming back.


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  • Milner
    Milner Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2016

    They will show you how to do it, you can't really do it wrong and it doesn't hurt a bit. xo

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  • b2alicia
    b2alicia Member Posts: 64
    edited November 2016

    YAYY!! KATE!! You go, girl! Brave Warrior!

    image

    I get the Neulasta gizmo put on above my waist band, with a tegaderm bandage on top of the whole thing.

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  • Luwusu
    Luwusu Member Posts: 88
    edited November 2016

    it made me happy to read all the recent posts this morning. It's nice to not be alone in this endeavor.

    Barb, by now you've most likely given yourself the first shot and I hope it was easier than anticipated. You are a brave woman, I can tell, and will nail it. But I am sorry that you have to do it. I am anxious to hear how it went.

    Nfullblume, you look so beautiful in that picture. Keep rocking the hats! Your smile says, 'I've got this!"

    Connie, I have had five weeks of Taxol (along with perjeta and herceptin every third week) and will have #6 taxol tomorrow. These are the SE's I've had: bleeding nose, redness and itchiness on hands and now my arm, redness on face, diarrhea, burning when peeing (off and on), lots of gas, mood swings. No nausea. The side effects have been an adventure, but not horrible. I will switch to ac after these twelve weeks, or after surgery, whichever is decided, and I am concerned because I think the ac brings harder SEs than the three drug cocktail I'm on now, so you see, we are all afraid of the unknown. But we will get through. I know everyone has different reactions to their drugs, but so far Taxol has been doable for me. Don't fret.

    MIlner, funny about you rearranging your furniture. Glad your sense of humor is still intact. I'm not a friend of the steroids either. I have had steroid each week with my infusion(s). They bring me on top of the world the next day, and very low the day after that. I mentioned this to my nurse last week, and she lowered my dose of steroids and also gave them to me in tablet form instead of through my port and it definitely made a difference. No high, no low.

    Miles, I, too, have had a cold for the past ten days. It's on it's way out, but it added more misery to what I was already dealing with. I really hate colds, and when I get one, it is always a major event, not like my husband (the cold giver) who has his for 3-4 days and is done.

    My daughter is making me a special dinner tomorrow night to celebrate me being halfway through this first group of chemo. I am thankful for so many acts of kindness and thoughtfulness that are shown to me. A card, a hat in the mail, a phone call from someone who just wants to say hang in here, an inspirational email. All thes things help on a daily basis. Plus, reading all of your posts. Thank you!

    Nancie


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  • Al12
    Al12 Member Posts: 79
    edited November 2016

    Luwusu, I am also starting Taxol with herceptin and prejeta same as you starting Dec 1st. Thank's for the update on SE. I am nervous though I am working full time and hoping I can still work through this too. I didn't do so bad on AC. Are you at home during your treatment?

    Alla

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  • chickdudefood
    chickdudefood Member Posts: 51
    edited November 2016

    Al12, I got my BRCA 2 positive results on the evening of the day of my lumpectomy and lymph node surgery. If I'd had those results sooner, I would have gone straight to the bilateral mastectomy. As you can see, our staging is very different, and with that as well as the BRCA 2 I don't feel that I have any other option that will give me peace of mind. I suppose the good thing about the sequence here is that post-surgery I had all the tests and there were no metastases, despite all those positive lymph nodes. My cancer came on very quickly--a mammogram last March was completely clear, and nothing was palpaple in June during my annual checkup. By September, and I found this myself, I had a lump under my nipple that was the size of a large marble, and as we now know, cancer well established in the lymph nodes, suggesting, at least to me, an aggressive cancer, so my surgery was scheduled very quickly. So no, the original suggestion from my surgeon was the lumpectomy--finding out that the BRCA 2 mutation was positive after surgery definitely cast a different, more urgent light on everything.

    My understanding that that's it's a good thing to have the hormone positive cancer--that gives them more tools to use (pills) after chemo and radiation and whatever surgery you choose. I'm way finished with child bearing, so I have no issues with losing the ovaries and fallopian tubes, and my genetic counselor and surgeon both tell me that there's no need to lose the uterus, vagina, cervix. The BRCA 2 stats are for a 74% chance of recurrence in the other breast, and that's not a risk I want to take, as well as significant elevated risk for ovarian cancer. The other elevated risk is for pancreatic cancer, but the only thing to do there is watchful waiting--there's no test yet for that, but I believe that there are some in development.

    I guess as an outsider here I think you should do what YOU feel comfortable with. None of us wants to go through this more than once.

    Love,

    Kate



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  • chickdudefood
    chickdudefood Member Posts: 51
    edited November 2016

    Hi Mel,

    I too had a rough time with steroids with my first chemo--not the same protocol as it looks like you're having, and they did reduce the dosage for chemos #2 and #3. With the first, I felt like I'd been invaded by aliens and couldn't focus enough to read or watch TV, or, worse, write, which is my profession, and was very scary, thinking it might last forever. By chemo #3, which was yesterday, I felt like myself all day and like a million bucks when I woke up this morning. My suggestion, though, is to make friends with your oncologist--and your chemo nurse--they are the specialists here and and will do anything within reason to help. Never be afraid to call, never feel like you're "bothering" them. Their job is to get you through all of this with the least amount of distress to you.

    I want to stay neutral on your naturopath, but please run anything you plan to do by your doctors first. I was amazed at the "do's and dont's" recommended to help with all of this. Your doctors might approve of the fasting; on the other hand, it might have made the steroids more powerful. Everything I see suggested on these boards or though word of mouth, I run by my medical team. Sometimes they say sure, give it a try, other times they say they don't think it's a good idea. And since they're the ones scouring the medical journals and seeing patients all day, I will surrender to their judgement.

    Best,

    Kate


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  • Abracadabra
    Abracadabra Member Posts: 1,369
    edited November 2016

    I did it – I injected myself with Neupogen! I feel like I should give a thank you speech (like they do at the Academy Awards), for all of the many people who made this possible ... you know who you are! Suffice it to say that you were the wave of morale support and practical advice that I needed, and I am so grateful to each of you. Now I know ... I can do this!

    Miles – stay cozy and warm, and kick that cold to the curb!

    Daisy and Ella - Thank you, my cheerleaders!

    Elizabeth - There's nothing more calming than the voice of experience!

    Melinda – I've been meaning to tell you how beautiful you look in your scarf ... you have a Mona Lisa smile!

    Lyn – Sorry to hear that you're having a rough time. Does your MO have any idea what's going on? On the LE issue, I haven't had problems yet, but I have had to be very insistent in ER that they not use my right arm for anything. I even wrote NO in big letters in ink along my right arm. I hope your swelling comes down.

    Connie – That's great that the AC treatments are done! Onward and upwards, my friend!

    Nfullblume – You are always a breath of fresh air! On the topic of hats ... when I go swimming, I've been wearing a swimming cap out of habit. Today it was feeling tight on my head and I realized 'Hey, I'm bald!', so I pulled it off and stuffed it down the front of my bathing suit, and let my head do a little skinny dipping! Felt great!

    Kate – Glad that you were able to soldier through another treatment. Each step takes us closer to the end of this journey! (Belated congrats on the good results for your daughter. Such good news!)

    Welcome, Mel! Many of us have a hard time dealing with the steroids, but they do play an important role in getting us through the chemo SEs. Please talk to your MO about this, so that it can all be combined into a safe, cohesive treatment plan. I find the doctors are very understanding and flexible, and want to find something that will work for you.

    Nancie – I feel the same way that you do ... appreciative for all of the positive people that cross our paths. There's always something to be grateful for! Have a lovely dinner with your daughter. And thank you for your kind words ...

    Alla – Congrats on getting the AC done! That is big! I'm hoping that the Taxol will go well for you.

    Well, I'm pooped. Have a great evening!

    Barb

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