A drain that will not dry up!

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brnmad
brnmad Member Posts: 5
edited November 2016 in Breast Reconstruction

I had bil breast reconstruction on Oct. 25th. Tissue expanders were removed for placement of the permanent implants. The left drain (normal breast) was removed over two weeks ago but I still have the drain on right side (the radiated breast). Three days ago the PS injected a doxycycline/lidocaine solution into the jp drain and it was a very painful procedure. I was hopeful that this would help diminish the drainage. I have already emptied the drain twice today totaling 45cc. I haven't been able to find any information on the sight to see if anyone else has had this experience. I am starting to worry and I need to return to work soon. The drainage output needs to be under 30cc for a total of 48 hours before the PS will remove it. Does anyone have any ideas on what to expect next?

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  • gracie22
    gracie22 Member Posts: 229
    edited November 2016

    since your doc injected an antibiotic, he/she is treating for a likely infection. A lot of drainage can be a sign of infection; I experienced that on one side with a straight to implant surgery. No fever or pain, but the drainage on one side was much worse than the other, and it (along with a red patch on the breast post-surgery) were early indicators of infection, though I did not have pain or fever early on. The antibiotic should have made a difference by now. Since it has not, call and get an appt right away. Ask if they did a culture from the fluid to figure out what type of infection it is--it is usually something in the staph family. If not, get a culture done so the right antibiotic can be used. Report any fever, and if the breast or surrounding area is warm to the touch. This can be serious, don't let them push you off.

  • Beatmon
    Beatmon Member Posts: 1,562
    edited November 2016

    I was told to cut back on activity when 1 of mine was being stubborn

  • brnmad
    brnmad Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2016

    Thanks gracie22. I will ask about the culture. I have to call the office Monday-the PS needs to know what the output is from the drain. I was under the impression that the doxy treatment would significantly reduce the drainage and it hasn't. It has stayed the same. Right at 40-50 cc's. I am fearing the worst and just don't know what to expect if it doesn't start to slow. Will he have to stick a needle in and drain it? Am I headed back into the O/R? Scared about the unknown.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited November 2016

    I had a drain that was still draining after 10 days. I think I was being too active, but the draining eventually slowed and I got it taken out. I went to work with my drain. Just pinned it up under my clothes, and drained it in the ladies' room, when necessary.

  • brnmad
    brnmad Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2016

    Thanks Beatmon. I wondered about that. I am not a sit down type of girl and have a hard time (guilt) trying to take it easy and rely on family to help out. I may be over doing things-i will admit that. I have been staying compressed in a zip front bra because the PS office has stressed over and over that it is important to stay compressed to help push the fluid out. I am wondering now (too late) if reconstruction was too soon after finishing radiation.

  • brnmad
    brnmad Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2016

    Thanks ElaineTherese. I am now thinking that I need to try harder at laying low for a couple of days. I am not sure that I can return to work with a drain. I work in a hospital and I do not believe that Employee Health will let me work with it in.

  • gracie22
    gracie22 Member Posts: 229
    edited November 2016

    Since you still have the drain in place, there should not be much fluid pooling in the surgery area, but the continued big output of fluid in the drain--especially if it is still pretty dark red; it normally lightens in color and quantity during successful healing--usually means infection. Additional draining isn't usually needed since you have a drain taking care of that now, but the right antibiotics are. Assuming that infection is the issue, once the antibiotics are working well, the amount of drainage will start lightening/lessening. I could not tell from your post if the implants were placed; if so, they will likely need to remove the implant on the infected side until the infection is cured; the breast typically can't heal an infection while a foreign body (implant) is present, though your doc may try a procedure that involves removing the implant, bathing it in the right antibiotic and putting it back in. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't (they tried that with me, and though it seemed to work for over a month, the infection returned.)

    If the removal "rinse" procedure is not recommended, the doc will likely remove the implant, put you on the right antibiotics, and try the implant surgery again in a few months after you have healed. If this is an infection, the PS will bring in an infectious disease doc since it is important to pinpoint the bacteria causing the problem and make sure the right antibiotics are used, and that your are clear of it before another surgery is attempted. It is sometimes necessary to go on IV antibiotics for a couple of weeks (that was my experience.) I am hoping that your situation is different, but unfortunately infections are very common with reconstruction surgery. Good luck, and take care--this is serious stuff!

  • gracie22
    gracie22 Member Posts: 229
    edited November 2016

    Looking at other posts... brnmad is nearly a month out of surgery. I don't think that this heavy output (especially if still dark) can be attributed to over-activity. 40-50ccs is expected in the first couple of weeks post surgery, but to have that quantity this far out is a concern. Her doc is thinking the same thing given that an antibiotic has been administered. Agree with brnmad/Emp Health that she should not return to work with a drain since infection is already suspected--that environment is exactly where she should not be right now.

  • brnmad
    brnmad Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2016

    The fluid from the drain has been light in color like straw. I just emptied it again since I am ready for bed and my total for the day was 55 cc's. This was higher than what i expected after having the doxy treatment. Now after reading about the "rinse" procedure that gracie22 had where the implant was removed and bathed in an antibiotic it seems as if I received a similar treatment only the implant was never removed. The antibiotic was just administered thru the drain and it had to stay in while they had me change positions (from side to side and then on my back-10 min. intervals for each). After that they extracted it. These are my permanent implants so I hope that they do not have to remove it. I am 52 years old and having two surgeries two months in a row a few months after radiation is wearing on me. I would like some energy back. You are right-this is serious stuff!

  • gracie22
    gracie22 Member Posts: 229
    edited November 2016

    It is a good sign that the fluid is light-colored; it may be a seroma, which is fluid that sometimes builds up around a surgery site, more common post radiation (link below with more info on seromas). They are usually not a big problem, though sometimes can get infected--that's why it is important to ask your doc if a culture was done/should be done. Typically, the PS will do everything they can to save the implant and it sounds as if that is what your surgeon is doing.

    http://breast-cancer.ca/seromsurgery/

  • exercise_guru
    exercise_guru Member Posts: 716
    edited November 2016

    I didn't have radiation but I had one breast that drained for 3 weeks after my implants were swapped. His concern If I remember correctly was that the drains would start to impact the shape of my breast. the PS put me on antibiotics just in case and told me to sit down and stop moving around so much. I was really worried. He finally did remove the drain but I don't think it ever went under 30 ml in one day.

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