Ways to reduce scar tissue from axillary node dissection.

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Nfullblume
Nfullblume Member Posts: 171

I was recently diagnosed with DCIS/IDC. Lucky enough to keep it as low as Stage 1b. Surgery wasn't terrible; however, after a positive sentinel node, I had 5 other nodes on the same string removed. I'm about 10 days through surgery and trying to minimize the size of the scar tissue in my armpit. Scar feels like a golf ball in my armpit. Getting used to reduced range of motion, numbness, and feelings in the back of my arm.

I've purchased some vitamin E oil and will massage the scar. I've started exercises to regain my range of motion. I sure would love to wipe properly again. Lol (Tmi).

Do you fabulous ladies have any tips to pass on? Either exercises, scar reducing techniques, or an idea of when my range of motion will return.




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  • Icietla
    Icietla Member Posts: 1,265
    edited October 2016

    Hi Nfullblume. Welcome to BCO. We are so sorry about your diagnosis, but glad your surgery went fine and that you decided to join our Community.

    I think you should not be doing arm and shoulder exercise on your surgery side unless and until your Doctor advises it -- then, there will be some particular exercises recommended for you. Just now, unless your Doctor has directed otherwise, I think you should be taking it very easy with that arm, especially cautious not to lift your upper arm any higher than shoulder level. Your remaining lymph nodes in there are trying to work out how they are going to deal with the changes in your lymph flow in that area. For this reason I would also strongly recommend that you not do any massage at the wounded area at this stage in your recovery. It is very likely that what you are feeling in there is not scar, but collection of fluid within your flesh.

    Come on over to our Lymphedema discussions section and ask there. We have many folks very knowledgeable about Lymphedema issues. They can give you some good practical advice.

  • Nfullblume
    Nfullblume Member Posts: 171
    edited October 2016

    I'll definitely check out that blog!! Thank you!!

  • Icietla
    Icietla Member Posts: 1,265
    edited October 2016

    You are very welcome.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited October 2016


    The information below is from the American Cancer Society. My surgeon gave me one of their booklets after my surgery:

    Exercises After Breast Surgery

    Breast surgery can affect your arm movement.

    Many women with breast cancer have some kind of surgery, even though other kinds of treatment are done, too. You may have had a:

    • Breast biopsy
    • Lymph node biopsy or removal
    • Breast conservation surgery (lumpectomy)
    • Mastectomy
    • Breast reconstruction

    Any of these can affect how well you can move your shoulder and arm, take a deep breath, or do your daily activities, like dressing, bathing, and combing your hair. Pain and stiffness can cause weakness and limit movement of your arm and shoulder.

    Exercises can help restore movement.

    No matter what type of surgery you have, it's important to do exercises afterward to get the arm and shoulder moving again. Exercises help to decrease side effects of your surgery and help you get back to your usual activities.

    If you've had radiation therapy after surgery, exercises are even more important to help keep your arm and shoulder flexible. Radiation may affect your arm and shoulder long after treatment is finished. Because of this, it's important to develop a regular habit of doing exercises to maintain arm and shoulder mobility after radiation treatments for breast cancer.

    It's very important to talk with your doctor before starting any exercises so that you can decide on a program that's right for you. Your doctor might suggest you see a physical therapist or occupational therapist, or a cancer exercise specialist certified by the American College of Sports Medicine. These health professionals are specially trained to design an exercise program just for you. You might need this kind of help if you do not have full use of your arm within 3 to 4 weeks of surgery.

    Some exercises should not be done until drains and sutures (stitches) are removed. But some exercises can be done soon after surgery. The exercises that increase your shoulder and arm motion can usually be started in a few days. Exercises to help make your arm stronger are added later.

    Here are some of the more common exercises that women do after breast surgery. Talk to your doctor or therapist about which of these are right for you and when you should start doing them. Do not start any of these exercises without talking to your doctor first.

    The week after surgery

    The tips and exercises listed below should be done for the first 3 to 7 days after surgery. Do not do them until you get the OK from your doctor.

    • Use your affected arm (on the side where your surgery was) as you normally would when you comb your hair, bathe, get dressed, and eat.
    • Lie down and raise your affected arm above the level of your heart for 45 minutes. Do this 2 or 3 times a day. Put your arm on pillows so that your hand is higher than your wrist and your elbow is a little higher than your shoulder. This will help decrease the swelling that may happen after surgery.
    • Exercise your affected arm while it's raised above the level of your heart by opening and closing your hand 15 to 25 times. Next, bend and straighten your elbow. Repeat this 3 to 4 times a day. This exercise helps reduce swelling by pumping lymph fluid out of your arm.
    • Practice deep breathing exercises (using your diaphragm) at least 6 times a day. Lie down on your back and take a slow, deep breath. Breathe in as much air as you can while trying to expand your chest and abdomen (push your belly button away from your spine). Relax and breathe out. Repeat this 4 or 5 times. This exercise will help maintain normal movement of your chest, making it easier for your lungs to work. Do deep breathing exercises often.
    • Do not sleep on your affected arm or lie on that side.

    General guidelines

    The exercises described here can be done as soon as your doctor says it's OK. They're usually started a week or more after surgery. Be sure to talk to your doctor before trying any of them. Here are some things to keep in mind after breast surgery:

    • You will feel some tightness in your chest and armpit after surgery. This is normal, and the tightness will decrease as you do your exercises.
    • Many women have burning, tingling, numbness, or soreness on the back of the arm and/or on the chest wall. This is because the surgery can irritate some of your nerves. These feelings might increase a few weeks after surgery. But keep doing your exercises unless you notice unusual swelling or tenderness. (If this happens, let your doctor know about it right away.) Sometimes rubbing or stroking the area with your hand or a soft cloth can help make the area less sensitive.
    • It may be helpful to do the exercises after a warm shower when muscles are warm and relaxed.
    • Wear comfortable, loose clothing when doing the exercises.
    • Do the exercises slowly until you feel a gentle stretch. Hold each stretch at the end of the motion and slowly count to 5. It's normal to feel some pulling as you stretch the skin and muscles that have been shortened because of the surgery. Do not bounce or make any jerky movements when doing any of the exercises. You should not feel pain as you do them, only gentle stretching.
    • Do each exercise 5 to 7 times. Try to do each exercise correctly. If you have trouble with the exercises, talk to your doctor. You may need to be referred to a physical or occupational therapist.
    • Do the exercises twice a day until you get back your normal flexibility.
    • Be sure to take deep breaths, in and out, as you do each exercise.
    • The exercises are set up so that you start them lying down, move to sitting, and finish them standing up.

    Exercises to do while lying down

    Do these exercises on a bed or the floor. Lie on your back with your knees and hips bent and your feet flat.

    Wand exercise (Figure 1)

    This exercise helps increase the forward motion of your shoulders. You'll need a broom handle, yardstick, or other stick-like object to use as the wand in this exercise.

    • Hold the wand across your belly in both hands with your palms facing up.
    • Lift the wand up over your head as far as you can. Use your unaffected arm to help lift the wand until you feel a stretch in your affected arm.
    • Hold for 5 seconds.
    • Lower arms and repeat 5 to 7 times.

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    Figure 1

    Elbow winging (Figure 2)

    This exercise helps increase the movement in the front of your chest and shoulder. It may take many weeks of regular exercise before your elbows will get close to the bed or floor.

    • Clasp your hands behind your head with your elbows pointing toward the ceiling.
    • Move your elbows apart and down toward the bed or floor.
    • Repeat 5 to 7 times.

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    Figure 2

    Exercises to do while sitting up

    Shoulder blade stretch (Figure 3)

    This exercise helps increase your shoulder blade movement.

    • Sit in a chair very close to a table with your back against the back of the chair.
    • Place the unaffected arm on the table with your elbow bent and palm down. Do not move this arm during the exercise.
    • Place the affected arm on the table, palm down, with your elbow straight.
    • Without moving your trunk, slide the affected arm forward, toward the opposite side of the table. You should feel your shoulder blade move as you do this.
    • Relax your arm and repeat 5 to 7 times.

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    Figure 3

    Shoulder blade squeeze (Figure 4)

    This exercise also helps increase shoulder blade movement.

    • Facing straight ahead, sit in a chair in front of a mirror. Do not rest against the back of the chair.
    • Your arms should be at your sides with your elbows bent.
    • Squeeze your shoulder blades together, bringing your elbows behind you. Keep your shoulders level as you do this. Do not lift your shoulders up toward your ears.
    • Return to the starting position and repeat 5 to 7 times.

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    Figure 4

    Side bending (Figure 5)

    This exercise helps increase movement of your trunk and body.

    • Sit in a chair and clasp your hands together in front of you. Lift your arms slowly over your head, straightening your arms.
    • When your arms are over your head, bend your trunk to the right. Bend at your waist and keep your arms overhead.
    • Return to the starting position and bend to the left.
    • Repeat 5 to 7 times.

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    Figure 5

    Exercises to do while standing

    Chest wall stretch (Figure 6)

    This exercise helps stretch your chest.

    • Stand facing a corner with your toes about 8 to 10 inches from the corner.
    • Bend your elbows and put your forearms on the wall, one on each side of the corner. Your elbows should be as close to shoulder height as possible.
    • Keep your arms and feet in place and move your chest toward the corner. You will feel a stretch across your chest and shoulders.
    • Return to the starting position and repeat 5 to 7 times.
    • The picture shows stretching both sides at the same time, but you may find it more comfortable to stretch one arm at a time.
    • Be sure you keep your shoulders dropped far away from your ears as you do this stretch.

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    Figure 6

    Shoulder stretch (Figure 7)

    This exercise helps increase the mobility in your shoulder.

    • Stand facing the wall with your toes about 8 to 10 inches from the wall.
    • Put your hands on the wall. Use your fingers to "climb the wall," reaching as high as you can until you feel a stretch.
    • Return to the starting position and repeat 5 to 7 times.
    • The picture shows both arms going up at the same time, but you may find it easier to raise one arm at a time.
    • Be sure you keep your shoulders dropped far away from your ears as you raise your arms.

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    Figure 7

    Things to keep in mind

    Start exercising slowly and increase as you are able. Stop exercising and talk to your doctor right away if you:

    • Get weaker, start losing your balance, or start falling
    • Have pain that gets worse
    • Have new heaviness, aching, tightness, or other strange sensations in your arm
    • Have unusual swelling or swelling gets worse
    • Have headaches, dizziness, blurred vision, new numbness, or tingling in your arms or chest

    It's important to exercise to keep your muscles working as well as possible, but it's also important to be safe. Talk with your doctor about the right kind of exercises for your condition, and then set goals for increasing your level of physical activity.

    Other kinds of exercise

    Exercise to help improve aerobic (heart-lung) capacity is also important for women who have had breast cancer. There's evidence that fitness and weight loss may even help lower the risk that some types of cancer will come back after treatment. Ask your doctor about fitness exercises during and after breast cancer treatment.

    Other exercises are designed to help reduce your risk of lymphedema, or swelling in the arm on the side where you had surgery. The exercises shown here are mainly designed to help regain range of motion (flexibility) of the arm and shoulder. Ask your doctor about your lymphedema risk and if you should use exercises to help reduce that risk. You may need a referral to a lymphedema expert. Call us or go to www.cancer.org for more on this.

    Strengthening exercises are now recommended as part of regular exercise programs to improve health. These are not started until 4 to 6 weeks after surgery, and must be tailored to your general health, medical condition, and fitness. Strength building starts by using small hand weights, and is increased slowly over time. Again, this is best addressed with your doctor or physical therapist. It's probably best to start a strengthening program in a supervised setting with a cancer exercise trainer or physical therapist to be sure you're doing the exercises properly.

    This information was developed with assistance from the Oncology Section of the American Physical Therapy Association.

    References

    Anderson RT, Kimmick GG, McCoy TP, et al. A randomized trial of exercise on well-being and function following breast cancer surgery: the RESTORE trial. J Cancer Surviv. 2012;6(2):172-181.

    McNeely ML, Campbell K, Ospina M, et al. Exercise interventions for upper-limb dysfunction due to breast cancer treatment. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2010;(6):CD005211.

    NLN Medical Advisory Committee. Position Statement of the National Lymphedema Network: Exercise. October 2013. Accessed at www.lymphnet.org/resources/position-paper-exercise on April 12, 2016.

    Petito EL, Nazário AC, Martinelli SE, Facina G, De Gutiérrez MG. Application of a domicile-based exercise program for shoulder rehabilitation after breast cancer surgery. Rev Lat Am Enfermagem. 2012;20(1):35-43.

    Sagen A, Kaaresen R, Sandvik L, Thune I, Risberg MA. Upper limb physical function and adverse effects after breast cancer surgery: a prospective 2.5-year follow-up study and preoperative measures. Arch Phys Med Rehabil. 2014;95(5):875-881.

    No matter who you are, we can help. Contact us anytime, day or night, for cancer-related information and support. Call us at 1-800-227-2345 or visit www.cancer.org.

    Last Medical Review: 05/09/2016
    Last Revised: 05/09/2016

  • Icietla
    Icietla Member Posts: 1,265
    edited October 2016

    My arm use was and had long been limited. About two weeks after my second mastectomy surgery, I was okayed to start with three exercises -- "walking the wall," "rocking the baby," and leaning over and having my arms swing in circles before and beside me.

  • Mariangel43
    Mariangel43 Member Posts: 136
    edited October 2016

    Hi, all, I had a sentinel biopsy with three lymph nodes removed. However, I was never mentioned to do exercises or viceversa. I have that swelling under the armpit since the mx which I would like to disappear. My BS did it and when my TE was inserted, the PS also used the same wound. I was mortified. Some areas are numb and other are hypersensitive. Limitations on that side, none. I fractured my right foot and since the moment I started I had to use the right hand to move myself in the room, to the bathroom, to md's offices, etc. It hurt a lot (both the surgery and the fracture). I think that's why they (BS and PS) didn't give any instructions about exercises. Nice dreams.

  • Nfullblume
    Nfullblume Member Posts: 171
    edited October 2016

    Webt back to the BS today, he drained 250 CC's from my armpit. It feels so much better. He cleared me to go ahead on the exercises. Wahoo!!

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited October 2016

    If you want some exercise buddies, check out the Let's Post Our Daily Exercise thread on the Fitness Forum. A great group of fun, encouraging ladies at all stages of treatment and beyond & all fitness levels too.

  • NATSGSG
    NATSGSG Member Posts: 231
    edited October 2016

    @ ruthbru thanks for posting those exercises. They surely works and helps lots.

    Nfullblume, go to any Walmart or pharmacy and get a tub or tube of Merderma scar cream. It works wonders. You will see results within a month or so for new scars if you massage it a few times a day. Works for old scars too but takes longer. A girlfriend who suffered 2nd degree burns on her right hand told me. Those burns were gone, gone gone. U wouldn't know she had hot water burnt scars at all.

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