What foods are you eating to reduce recurrence?

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  • LynnFish
    LynnFish Member Posts: 22
    edited May 2016

    Hello! Just my 2 cents: I am stage IV (as of 7/15) went vegan 11/15, and feel great! I suspect that it is good for my longevity but even if it's not, I feel great as a vegan. I originally went vegan to clear my conscience before dying (!), but have come to believe that the physical effects are also very positive. Not to mention 15 lbs (140lbs to 125 lbs) weight loss within about a month. I wish I had made this change when I was stage III vs. waiting 'til stage IV. Highly recommended!

  • LynnFish
    LynnFish Member Posts: 22
    edited May 2016

    Plus, I'm taking tons of ginger tablets...along with moderate amounts of curcumin, garlic, etc. In spite of the death sentence (!), I feel very well right now...

  • LynnFish
    LynnFish Member Posts: 22
    edited May 2016

    Seaweed, ginger tablets, broccoli, cauliflower, garlic....no animal products at all, not even cow's milk (just non-GMO soy...in my coffee!)

  • hsant
    hsant Member Posts: 790
    edited May 2016

    The majority of food I eat is organic. If not, it's non GMO verified. Also, I am slowly cutting out products which contain chemicals. I use Stink Bug deodorant (the only natural one that works for me), Aveda hair products, EO body moisturizer and hand sanitizer. I'm still working on finding a good, natural anti aging facial moisturizer. I have vitamin E oil, but it's a little heavy and greasy.

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited May 2016

    Lynn thanks for the advice. I have cut out red meat/pork. I only eat the greenwise chicken and non farm raised fish. I incorporate a couple of vegetarian meals at least each week. I make smoothies with spinach, frozen berries, banana, agave, wheat germ, ginger, turmeric and almond milk or organic juice. I'm still evaluating my diet to move to a more vegetarian or vegan diet. I also have been consistent in going to the gym 3-4 days a week working on the elliptical. I saw a trainer last week and she put me on a weight training regimen. I have only lost 5lbs since January with a goal of 30, so I might have to move more in the direction of vegan!


    hsant - the only anti aging product is sunscreen. If it says it goes to the epidermis of your skin, they are full of it. It can't do that unless it has FDA approval and then it would have a prescription. I like 100% Pure products. http://www.100percentpure.com/ I found them after googling. Only thing for me is I don't see where they don't test on animals, which is another big thing for me. I like the Jason line for deodorant and hair care.

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited May 2016

    I'm a big fan of Paula's Choice body/face care products.

    Just weighing in: I only eat grass-fed beef/dairy and free range--local, if I can find it--chicken and eggs. Wild-caught fish. I do a lot better with animal protein in my diet; in fact, when I was diagnosed I had been vegetarian for about a year, and had lost some muscle mass and gained fat. But I totally agree that the vegan diet works great for a lot of folks.

  • Englishmummy
    Englishmummy Member Posts: 337
    edited May 2016

    Does everyone know about the Think Dirty app? I know I have mentioned this before but it cuts a lot of work for those that are researching their products: It rates the *safety* of personal care products and even some cleaning products - I was shocked to see how high (to the adverse) Aveda and Jason's rated....I had my daughter using a Jason's shampoo that rated a 9 (10 being the worst), I was so annoyed - it also lets you shop from the app when you find a low scoring product. It is only available on iphone right now but should be available for android soon. The EWG.org app works for android. Both apps allow you to scan bar codes off of items to see what ingredients make them rate the way they do - sometimes it rates high not because of carcinogens but because of known allergens so it is important to read the details and make your own informed decision. Apologies if I am repeating myself.

    I personally only purchase items that rate a 3 or lower, but you have to set your own comfort zone.


  • hsant
    hsant Member Posts: 790
    edited May 2016

    Englishmummy, Thank you for the Think Diry recommendation! I'm obsessed!

    Homemom, my dermatologist told me that there isn't a topical cream that gets rid of wrinkles or prevents sagging.

    Anyone take vitamin E supplements? I wonder if that would work for improving skin texture

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited May 2016

    hsant---My MO told me to stay away from any Vitamin E supplements other than the usual amount found in a multvitamin. He said Vit E has estrogenic properties much like soy which feed BC.

  • Kiks1
    Kiks1 Member Posts: 254
    edited May 2016

    My dermatologist says Retin A is about the only topical that would help diminish wrinkles. Sunscreens that I use are eltamd and Image, both of which are physical sun blocks.

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited May 2016

    I have the Think Dirty app. I love using it, but some times the product you scan is not in there and you can add it. It doesn't help you at that moment, but helps in the future I suppose.

  • hsant
    hsant Member Posts: 790
    edited May 2016

    Lala, thanks for the info. I don't take any supplements. I try to get my vitamins from food. Remembering to take Tamo everyday is enough of a challenge.:)

    It makes sense that vitamin E would have estrogenic properties, but I found this on the Mayo Clinic website. http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/vitamin-e/evidence/hrb-20060476. BTW, I'm certainly not attempting to contradict your MO. Obviously he has more knowledge and information than a layperson who gets info off the internet. I just find this stuff interesting.

    I also find it interesting that while there have been studies about the correlation between soy and estrogen related breast cancer, Asia has a low breast cancer rate. http://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/Statistics.

    Englishmummy, I've been prescribing to something similar to the Atkins way of eating consistently for the past 12 years, and I feel great. I get the majority of my carbs from veggies (no carrots), and I rarely eat fruit except for avocados and tomatoes. Most fruits actually give me stomach cramps.

    I avoided all red meat from the age of 14 until 32 (I'm 49), but I now eat red meat on a regular basis, cheese and healthy fats. I also drink wine and an occasional martini. I'm 5'7" and maintain between 105-110 lbs.

    I believe that your body "talks" to you, so if you feel bad eating this way, it's probably not for you. I get severely nauseated when I drink green tea, which is supposedly very healthy, but I know that anything that makes me feel that bad isn't healthy for me.


  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited May 2016

    Fortunately I love horseradish, though usually with beef --maybe it's good with broccoli--will get back with you all on that: Cancer-fighting properties of horseradish revealed

    "URBANA, Ill. – The humble horseradish may not be much to look at, but a recent University of Illinois study shows that it contains compounds that could help detoxify and eliminate cancer-causing free-radicals in the body.

    "We knew horseradish had health benefits, but in this study, we were able to link it to the activation of certain detoxifying enzymes for the first time," says U of I crop scientist Mosbah Kushad."

    hsant, you said, "Homemom, my dermatologist told me that there isn't a topical cream that gets rid of wrinkles or prevents sagging.

    Anyone take vitamin E supplements? I wonder if that would work for improving skin texture" My understanding on that is that there isn't anything topical but what you have to do is build collagen back from within b/c collagen breaks down with age. You've probably heard some of the hype about bone broth? Collagen building, and so is vitamin C. Taking collagen supplements is not all that helpful.

    Also look into silica: "Silica is primarily found in oats, barley, wheat, millet, avocados, brown rice, potatoes, asparagus, cucumbers, cabbage, sunflower seeds, onions, strawberries, plums, apples and oranges, fish, almonds, and eggplant. Most fruits contain a good amount of silicon. The benefits of silica can also be found in herbs such as horsetail, comfrey, and nettle. Horsetail is often recommended by herbalists as a herb for helping strengthen nails and hair. This is from Benefits of silica Note from me: do not ingest comfrey!

  • Theresanne
    Theresanne Member Posts: 90
    edited October 2016

    I have made many changes, but dont drive myself crazy either...because just stepping outside youre exposed to radiation and chemicals...but, I still try to control what I can.....vegan diet...whole foods plant based....organic when possible.....low sugar. I do not add sugar to anything and watch my fruit intake, except for blueberries...I eat handfuls of those daily..extrodinary amt. of antioxidants. I drink only purified water plain or with lemon. ...plain organic green tea....no fruit juices, teas, soft drinks, etc. Absolutely no alchohol. I excercise at least 5 days per week. I bought all new stsinless steel pots, non stick I had are gone. No plastic containers. No cosmetics or lotions, shampoos with phalates or parabens....organic and vegan. Only aluminum free deodorant. triclosan free toothpaste. take calcium of corse with along with 3000 mg D3, B12, ( i also use nutritional yeast..lots if B vit), curcumin,sulphorophane ( the imp. ing in broccoli), and androdia ( mushroom extract)... who knows what all of this will do...the one thing I know this way of eating helped me lose 40 lbs after chemo and kept it off for 4 yrs. I am trying to stack the deck..Im still scared..we do the best we can...

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited October 2016

    Be aware that much of the Asian low breast-cancer rate may be due both to ethnic genetics and the difference between Asian soy and US-grown soy (most of which is GMO and grown for industrial purposes such as biodiesel, inks, cooking oil and “soy protein isolates:” highly processed additives and fake meat substitutes). Asian women have grown up eating soy so their bodies are adapted to it, and they may also be genetically better suited to soy consumption. Just like the “French paradox” might not work as well for those not of French extraction.

    Not familiar with Dr. Davies, but Dr. Hyman is definitely not a quack. Neither is Dr. Fuhrman (but he is a bit eccentric and his diet is spectacularly boring, even more so than those of Drs. Esselstyn and Ornish). Mercola, while a degreed physician, has run into quite a bit of trouble with Quackwatch.org. I would be very, very skeptical of those who rail against the “medical establishment” and claim that their revolutionary “truths” are being “suppressed."

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited October 2016

    To each her own.

    I do believe in everything in moderation. I'm 5 years out as of last August. I do drink usually 1x a week - beer and on weekends, I do have desserts every now and then, I do eat red meat although not dailyand I don't drink green tea. I have stainless steel cookware because I like it. No other reason. I drink grape juice every day. Love it and it's good for the heart.

    As for cosmetics while I don't put my face on every day since I took early retirement I definitely do when I go out with DH or friends.

    While I will always have some semblance of a fear factor I refuse to believe or live by the so called anti-cancer standards of living.

    Diane



  • KeepMoving
    KeepMoving Member Posts: 112
    edited October 2016

    Edwards750, I like your attitude

  • Theresanne
    Theresanne Member Posts: 90
    edited October 2016

    Edwards750...i think we each have to do what makes us feel better, not just physically...but mentally, emotionally. whatever gives us strength each day. Yes, some people think I overdo things, but for me...it helps get me through...we each have to live our lives with this illnessthe best way we can....

  • Theresanne
    Theresanne Member Posts: 90
    edited October 2016

    Edwards750...i think we each have to do what makes us feel better, not just physically...but mentally, emotionally. whatever gives us strength each day. Yes, some people think I overdo things, but for me...it helps get me through...we each have to live our lives with this illness the best way we can....however we choose...I simply was responding to the topic of discussion...

  • sarahrae
    sarahrae Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2016

    Theresanne,

    Congrats on the 40 pounds, WOW!

    I have lost a little over 20 since my surgery in March. I think it is one of the best things I can do for myself and my recurrence chances. I eat a similar diet and feel better than I use to. I maybe have 15 more pounds to lose. I will usually eat something sweet or 'off menu' once a week with my family or friends. This diagnosis has helped me to bring even more intention into my day, which of course, includes eating.

    Working a bit harder on the my emotional/spiritual health as I think that was the most 'out of balance' prior to my diagnosis. Wish this work were as easy as the dietary work! ;)

    hugs,

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited October 2016

    I am on the ketogenic diet.

  • bethanygb1
    bethanygb1 Member Posts: 31
    edited October 2016

    I have added green tea, broccoli, mushrooms, I need to find some tumeric!

  • CarrollAnne
    CarrollAnne Member Posts: 1
    edited November 2016

    I guess this is more a food and supplement list:

    Tumeric; green tea; collagen; glucosamine; baby aspirin; melatonin; broccoli sprouts; turkey tail (coriolus); OMG3; chia; flax; hemp; vegetarian diet.


  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2016

    Hello all,

    Try this, about half an inch of raw turmeric, about 5 fresh peppercorns and a teaspoon of raw honey. You can just chew them or you can make smoothies with them like pineapple, banana or papaya. Turmeric has curcumin and pepper enhances the potency of curcumin thru its piperine. Raw honey is healthy and desired for its sweetness. Sometimes, you can add fresh coconut milk and a pinch of cinnamon for a better taste

  • viktoryak
    viktoryak Member Posts: 266
    edited November 2016

    Did anyone do /hear about Macrobiotic diet? I was just recommended this Doctor on East Coast who promoted Macrobiotic Diet. Seems too harsh for me..Too many limitations.

    For now I avoid red meat, milk products (only goat cheese), very limited sugar intake -only in fruites and dark chocolate 85%. Macrobiotic limits so much.. I am not so sure I can handle it.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited November 2016

    gary null says re macrobiotics not enough herbs and spices.....not enough fruit. and they allow shell fish not too cool especially these days and very especially deep fried

  • solfeo
    solfeo Member Posts: 838
    edited November 2016

    As they say, the best diet is the one you can follow. I have great success and have been content on a modified ketogenic diet, but it doesn't work for everyone. And that might actually be genetic and not something we can overcome with mind over matter. You have to experiment to find what works for you, and I believe there is more than one version of a legitimately healthy diet that will help optimize the micro-environment in your body to stand up to cancer. The main thing you want to focus on in any diet: reducing inflammation, and you can read all about it online. When you do that, all of the other parameters usually follow in a natural progression. I also think keeping blood sugar and insulin low is important, but then there are many people who have done well on very high carb diets, like macrobiotic, and even juicing has a lot of carbs and sugar. Those would never work for me because I can't tolerate carbs.

    In my case my energy and general health as measured by routine bloodwork have never been better. I feel better, have no food cravings, have lost 140 lbs, so why wouldn't I love eating this way? It is very restrictive but I get creative in the kitchen and I never feel deprived. Except sometimes in a restaurant, when I will take bites of forbidden foods for the experience but don't eat whole servings.

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited November 2016

    solfeo: I have learned a whole new way of cooking and preparing meals on veto diet and love it! In restaurants, I usually order a salad with oil and vinegar dressing and if a hamburger, 100% meat and not bun...but extra lettuce....grilled chicken. During hubby's birthday I had a small slice of birthday cake and it did not kick me off ketosis! Gelatine helps to fill you up and helps to break plateaus. I love the veto pancakes as they satisfy the "bread" feeling. Great diet.



  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited November 2016

    Bosum, I can't help, because I don't know. All I do know is that several studies seem to suggest that supplements do not work the same way the real thing does. IOW, it really is better to get your nutrients from real food. Are there no veggies you like? Does it have to do with the way they are cooked maybe?

  • yoga_girl
    yoga_girl Member Posts: 234
    edited December 2016

    Add some color and a few extra nutrients to daily food intake:

    Parsnip: contain poly-acetylene oxidants giving them anti-inflammatory, anti-fungal, and anti-cancer properties.

    Jicama: contains 25% of the daily needs of fiber, specially inulin fiber. Inulin fiber contains zero calories and it is not metabolized by the body while providing healthy benefits to your gut.

    Turnips in an array of colors: Sautéed in a stir-fry or added to a broth-based soup, turnips provide a good source of vitamin C, K, and B-complex.

    Beets: provide a good dose of betalains which have been shown to have antioxidant, anti-inflammatory and detoxification properties.

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    Hamilton Beach® 3-in-1 Electric Spiralizer

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