Anyone completely refuse surgery/conventional treatment?
Hi all! I'm 44 and newly diagnosed with a slow growing 2.0cm invasive ductal carcinoma and have opted NOT to pursue surgery/treatment at this time for a number of reasons. I had DCIS about 13 years ago and the new cancer has taken up residence in the exact location causing my surgeon to believe the original lumpectomy "disturbed" the cancer cells and actually promoted the growth of this tumor. His original recommendation was a double mastectomy to prevent "disturbing" the cells again, later in the same consultation, he said I'd probably be well served by a lumpectomy (that's quite a change from a double mastectomy!). The oncologist said that perhaps I could shrink the tumor using Tamoxifen with no surgery as he's seen some positive results that way. I've elected to treat naturally for now and monitor to make sure it doesn't begin rapid growth. Anyone else take this route? The medical team acts like I've lost my mind! I'm not convinced that I'm anything more than a number to them. Looking for any encouragement from peers. Most of my research has uncovered alt treatment after surgery, very little about completely alt treatment. What kinds of alt treatments are any of you using? Thanks!
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Hi! I did refuse surgery and did pursue an alternative route to deal with the cancer. I'll share what I found helpful for me. I was diagnosed back in December 2013.I went through the whole traditional diagnosis path – mammography, ultrasound, and biopsy. That was the point they told me I had a tumor in my right breast. They then did an MRI and determined that I likely had it in my left breast also and wanted to do a biopsy on that. I found out about the left breast while I was meeting with the surgeon. It was at that point that I decided I wasn't going to go the traditional route for breast treatment… the whole chemo, radiation and surgery route that is. I watched my mother suffer terribly before she died from breast cancer many years ago and I'd been through it with my sister just a few years ago as well. I've always been kind of holistically inclined so when she was diagnosed, I did a lot of research on alternative cancer treatments and became convinced that cancer treatment, whatever the diagnosis, had to be treated systemically. It also had to BUILD UP the immune system, NOT SUPPRESS or tear it down! So when it became apparent that the cancer was in both my breasts, I started looking for treatments that treated the whole body. I found many approaches out there and following are the ones I have pursued over the last year:
Two Feathers healing formula (www.healingforumula.net) – an ancient American Indian treatment for cancer was the primary treatment I chose to start with. It is a "paste" that is taken internally and applied externally where and when indicated. It's like nothing I'd ever heard of before. I applied a small amount, as instructed, to both breasts and cancerous material was literally drawn out through the skin. It was definitely not a pain free experience, especially in the right breast, but in light of what I've seen others go through with their treatment (I'm in a cancer support group), it was a small price to pay for the result. Though it varies for each individual, the treatment for me took several months.
There have been other things I've done as well along with the Two Feathers.The gentleman that so graciously worked with me through the whole Two Feathers process also recommended that I get on a Vegan diet during the treatment, which I did get on for a few months. Today, I'm not doing strict Vegan, but I do eat organic and stay away from sugar as much as possible. I also had done research on the link between iodine deficiency and breast cancer and worked with a doctor through FFP Lab (http://ffplab.org/) to do an "iodine load" test to determine how well I was absorbing iodine, went on a high dose of iodine for three months , then retested. Today I'm taking a daily dose of 25mg of iodine and plan on taking it for the rest of my life! There is very hopeful and helpful information on the iodine/breast cancer link on a site FFP recommends as well - http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/.
I had an MRI done in December 2014 and it showed that the left breast was clear of cancer and the tumor in the right breast had shrunk from 4.2cm to 1.2 cm – pretty awesome results, though I'm not completely out of the woods yet. My oncologist is going to do an ultrasound in March (I think she was surprised at how well things were working), so I'm looking forward to seeing if things are holding or even improving at that time. I've not been on the Two Feathers now for probably 5 months. Side note: throughout this entire process, I've been working and functioning pretty much normally.
I have also been working with a Naturopath locally that has had his own success with treating people with cancer. He focuses on Liver detox, which other research has indicated is one of the first things that needs to be addressed in cancer patients. He also focuses on eliminating Candida Albicans growth which which contends is what is at the root of cancer. He actually helped me get through one of the toughest parts of my Two Feathers treatment with his herbal regimen for me.
There is so much good work being done out there on arresting and reversing cancer – Vitamin D3, Coriolus mushroom (another great one to check out –http://www.mushroomscience.com/), Beta Glucan, Curcumin, just to name a few.
And Diet – it's imperative that the body be maintained at a slightly alkaline ph level. It's been proven that cancer cannot live in an oxygenated environment - (See research done by Otto Warburg - http://oxygen4cells.com/html/warburg.html).
Bottom line, so far so good though I'm not completely out of the woods yet. Will keep you all posted.
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Yes I'm doing the 100% holistic route and so far my tumor is still there but not growing or moving--dx'ed in November 2013. I started with a ketogenic diet, as I believe that my overconsumption of sugar probably contributed a lot to this and I was probably borderline diabetic. I lost 40 lbs that way and started rebounding every day and bought a very good quality rebounder. I justified the expense by knowing I'd be doing this for the rest of my life and I can't have any excuses like weather or driving to a health club. Later I started juicing.
I went to a holistic MD and he put me on a number of vitamins and minerals, based on the imbalances I had going in my body at that time. My vit D level was extremely low so I've been taking 15,000 iu/day but I'm still only at 35, so he gave me a shot but hasn't retested yet. I'll be curious to see what that did to my level and wondering why I don't absorb vit D very well--I even sunbathed this summer and I'm as white as they come. We did a parasite cleanse (yes I had them!), IV vitamin C, and a whole lot of dental work to get my mercury amalgams replaced with composite fillings. That was a lot of dental work and it was my biggest expense. I also did chelation therapy to get the heavy metals out and I began to experiment with supplements on my own, such as DIM, CLA, Brevail, et al.
Now that I have all the physical stuff either taken care of or as part of my routine, I'm just beginning to explore the mind/body connection and I think this will be the key to finally sending the tumor packing but I have a lot of work to do as I have a lot of sickness in my soul as well--old thoughts and attitudes that no longer serve me and will only hold me back if I hold onto them. I'm already feeling much better and finding a new love in my life has helped raise my spirits immensely. Later on I will tell that story but I'll mention now that it has a lot to do with EFT--the emotional freedom technique which is powerful and easy to do.
I will mention that my doc thinks that the biggest factor in helping me heal is how I feel. When I feel good, I'm healing and when I feel bad I'm either getting sicker or holding up progress. When I asked him if I should continue on my ADHD meds, he asked if I feel better with or without. When I told him I feel better when I take them, he told me to continue with them.
If you decide to do this, it's important to be careful who you tell. There will be many who will get that "cancer is death" look on their faces--there is so much fear in our world and for good reason, but every time you see that look or get scolded by well meaning friends or family members, it will send their fear and doubt into you and hold back your healing. You need to surround yourself with positive people and people who believe that this is possible. I had to block my cousin on FB--he kept sending me videos about how stupid holistic medicine is. Sometimes it takes awhile--had a friend come to me recently and she is an RN--she told me that at first she was scared to death about what I'd decided to do but that now she feels that if she were ever to get cancer she would do exactly as I've done b/c I look and act so healthy. That was a powerful thing for me to hear but I remember that look on her face when I first told her and how it set me back emotionally at the time.
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pipers,
I am so glad you are doing well. Keep up the good work! I am still rebounding and have increased the time from 5 mins to 8. When I started, I could only do 5 minutes. I also take Dim, Vit D, calcium, magnesium and some other supplements. Do you take magnesium? Stay away from copper and iron. I read someone mentioned to stay away from boron also. I have not researched that yet but I am not taking any multivitamin. I recently did some blood work to check mercury and some other metals but the test was normal. I still have a few teeth that have mercury amalgams in them but have not removed them. Was your mercury test normal before you took the fillings out?
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No new2bc, my mercury and lead levels were quite high. I've had all my fillings switched over and had to do chelation for several more months but I'm off that for now. Doc said things could move around and we may have to do it again. Here's a strange thing about the chelation IV's I did--I only did 3 since I mainly just took the pills, but every time I did a chelation IV, something strange happened. The first time I went from very depressed to very happy, in about 10 minutes lol, and the feeling lasted at least a couple of weeks. Then it was ups and downs and roller coaster feelings and I was having fillings removed at the same time. The second time I felt fine when I left but as I was driving thru a very familiar part of town, I kept missing my exits. I should probably not have been behind the wheel. The third time, I was at the desk paying for my treatment. I had my CC in my hand and the nurse had to go answer the phone and I just left! Didn't even realize I'd left w/o paying till they called me--they were very understanding lol. One thing about bloodwork for mercury tests is that they aren't that useful. They only test for recent exposure and may very well be normal while you could actually have a lot of mercury lodged in brain tissue and other places. Lead likes to rest in your bones and as it comes out, the bones need to be remineralized. The test my doc used was the DMPS challenge test--they run a chelation IV and then have you pee in a jug for a couple of hours after that--much more accurate as the IV is actually pulling heavy metals out of their hiding places.
One thing my doc did was to test my mineral balance levels and there are several they test: things like Na:K ratio. Apparently if that level is off, you can even have symptoms of low thyroid, which is then easily resolved by taking minerals in the right balance, so he gave me some major magavitamins and minerals to take and a lot of that was b/c chelation was pushing out minerals during tx so we had to keep replacing them. Some of the vitamins were to protect my organs from chelation tx. This is why it really isn't a DIY project--who on their own would know these things? Or be able to test for them? I did have boron in that mix and had to take iron pills. Iron isn't good but anemia is worse.
One thing I have read about diet is that you want to keep your cals restricted and esp protein. You don't want to eat low protein--you want to eat just enough b/c any more will add too much glutamine, which feeds cancer almost as well as sugar. That's too bad too because glutamine is so great for other things like healing a leaky gut, among other things. I've drifted some from my perfect diet but am shooting to lose another 15 lbs so will soon be doing better. Sometimes I just get so tired of the routine. Bought a small Donvier ice cream maker yesterday at the Goodwill so I can make homemade sugar free ice cream sometimes for a treat. I love ice cream but all the SF brands have carrageenan in them. That will have to do.
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Great feedback so far... looking forward to learning from each of you! Thanks for sharing! -
Hello--Just wondering if anyone was still active related to this thread. I was diagnosed in 2012, flat-out refused any conventional treatments. Would love to have someone to visit and discuss this with.
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mapat...Hi I would be happy to discuss with you. I did have a BMX but refused any other treatment. How are you doing and what are your stats?
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I wasn't about to go to a doctor because they'd want to biopsy it which can spread cancer cells throughout the body.
My Alternative Cancer Treatments:
After years of chronic pain (which put me into a negative emotional state where I even wished I was dead at times) and 1 year of having a root canal I noticed a small growth, a lump, under my right nipple. I did nothing about it for the first 3 months. Then I became sure it was cancer when a strong case of chronic fatigue overcame me, which is one sign of cancer. I then started anti-cancer regimens. I first used a Microbe Electrifier Extra (an alternative device that puts microcurrents into the bloodstream to fight microbes there) to electrify a root canal'd tooth to eliminate any on-going infection there (because dental bacteria produce toxins that disable cancer immunity) and then tried direct current treatment to overly acidify the tumor but my skin was too sensitive and burned. Then I tried the OMF Generator and noticed no good change so assumed that it did nothing to help (although that may of been a premature assumption). The best therapies for me were daily blood electrification, DC treatment of infected teeth, taping a strong 1.5" x 1/4" neodynium magnet over the area and sleeping with it*, and using infra-red light to heat up the cancer and allow more circulation for greater absorption of the anti-cancer nutrients I was taking. I made my own infra-red light source and noticed tumor shrinkage every morning after overnight use. Here are the supplements I took to fight cancer: Ultrazyme, Resveratrol, Zyflamend, Alka Green (barley grass), IP6 & Inositol, Artemesinin and Iron, and putting Frankincense Oil on the area. I had read that liver decongestion is important to reverse the strong cancer fatigue so I have done fruit fasting one day a week and that has helped significantly. Red/purple grapes are the main fruit because they have cancer fighting substances. Tumor tissue is thermosensitive, especially at decreased pH (acidic) and with subnormal oxygen (hypoxic). Hyperthermia (high temperature) increases the cellular metabolic rate, breaking down glucose to lactic acid and thus decreasing pH to very low levels (ie: acidic). High acidity and hypoxemia (low oxygen) also damage the vessels that nourish tumor cells, thus choking them off from the blood supply. High temperatures kill cancer cells and increases potent effects of herbal and nutritional anti-cancer therapies. Hyperthermia also damages the membranes, proteins and enzymes of cancer cells, making them more sensitive to other therapies. Immunological and biological effects due to heat are: accelerated emigration and migration of peripheral blood mononuclear cells, activation of effecter cells, induction and secretion of cytokines, and expression of heat shock proteins which reduces the growth of cancer cells. In an ideal treatment, temperature will be gradually increased up to 40C degrees (104 F) that lasts approximately 60 to 90 minutes.
Having noticed improvement with infrared light and magnetism I decided to combine the two for an even more powerful effect. I made the infrared emitting part only about a half inch high and then taped the neodynium magnet onto it, with the south pole facing the infrared lights. I taped that to the cancerous area and slept with it on. After two nights I could feel the size of the tumor had shrunk. I really think this is a breakthrough device for skin cancer and tumors just under the skin, and not because I sell it. After a few months I stopped treatments and only took IP6 & Inositol for anti-cancer supplements. A couple months later the tumor was gone.
*It is said that the north pole of a magnet needs to be on the skin for cancer treatment. I tried each pole on consecutive nights and found the south pole to have the greatest effect. But the magnets come unmarked and we have to determine which pole is which. The method I learned is that the north pole pushes away the north-seeking arrow of a compass. So I use the pole that attracts the arrow. Maybe the method for pole detection is backwards. Anyway I advise people to try both poles to see what difference they notice for themselves. -
Without a biopsy, how can you know it was cancer, and therefore how can you know that your alternative treatments worked? It could have been a fibrocyst or other benign growth that was self-limiting.
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A lot of what you all are saying sounds familiar after watching The Truth about Cancer. It was very eye opening and definitely provided much food for thought. It makes sense, too. A healthy immune system is so critical! The series even talks about essential oils in addition to all the supplements that are vital to our bodies. I didn't come across the series until after I had my surgery, which I regret. Now I struggle with post-surgery treatment. I too am taking the natural approach (13 months since surgery) but majority of the people I meet and talk to strongly disagree. It is very frustrating. Kudos for standing strong and embracing health!
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That's a lot to go through when you probably never even had cancer. A root canal should not cause infection if done right. Good luck
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the only way to do root canal right is to lazar the canals after the procedure. they go narrower and narrower and impossible to clear out without a lazar treatment
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mapat,
My last interaction with the Breast Cancer Industry was January, 2009. My prior diagnosis will show on my sig. In January, 2009 they said I had breast cancer, again.
I didn't have breast cancer, again. That was the end of my involvement with the Breast Cancer Industry.
By now, seven years later, I have never had another mammogram. I'll be 62 next month. I still do self-breast exams. That won't reveal some 1cm "cancer," but what IS the threat of that, anyway? WAY overstated ...
I have taken active steps to improve my chances of never having any sort of cancer, again. The FOCC, primarily, but also a high D3 level. Mine is 80. Back in 2006 when I was first diagnosed they said my level of 22 was great; NOT. That is totally deficient.
The latest addition to my anti-cancer arsenal, Coconut Oil. LOVE it! Maybe not, anti-cancer, but pro-Health. Healthy bodies don't get cancer. Rather, they might, but their healthy bodies kill it.
My thoughts.
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Sorry, but when I see any book, article or website that claims to deliver “The Truth About...” whether it’s health or politics, I run the other way.
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I run when asked to type amen or anything else or to share. I'll share if I think the post is wonderful, and if so needn'.t be reminded
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Well, an incorrect flick of a finger and I just lost everything I had typed, but was really glad to hear others are still around. I had a really rough winter, but feeling much better now. Will comment more as soon as I can. Basically, diagnosed 2012, no conventional treatments, ok till last fall when I fell off my starch/plant-based diet. Cancer spread (stage IV)--a rough painful winter. But doing so much better now.
Hope to share more details with you soon. Glad to meet you all.
mapat
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diagnosed BC 2012, refused all standard treatment. (I probably would have done the lumpectomy, but the more questions I asked the more they wanted to cut off.) And the rest just didn't make sense to me. So I just said NO to any of it. Since then I have done an ENORMOUS amount of reading and research.
Shortly after diagnosis I read Jane Plant's book on dairy & BC-- just AFTER my own observations of how dairy products and chicken seemed to produce symptoms. So cut out the dairy(and chicken) March 2013. That also led me to the China Study, then to other books and websites [drmcdougall.com]. I generally try to follow this way of eating, but still had occasional small amounts of meats and oils. Lowered cholestrol enormously, have lost about 70 pounds, and overall have always been extremely healthy.
Was doing fine until last fall--eating too much of things I knew I shouldn't have (meats & fats)...Really bad winter, lots of pains, moving from one area to another...trouble bending over, couldn't lie down flat...lots of pains ..Really bad winter...
By mid Feb, after eating beef/gravy & such and woke up with pain the very next morning, I got that "DUH" feeling and finally got back to eating properly. But still ended up in ER with pain and difficulty breathing, they did a cat scan and said cancer had spread to bones.
In April, finally went to oncologist, who of course immediately recommended lots of drugs, even though she actually said, now being stage IV, 'this is going to kill you'. (And they wonder why I don't like (most) doctors). I did finally agree to try just letrozole, about the same time I started taking curcumin95.
By May I was on hydrocodone and muscle relaxants every four hours, using a hospital bed, and not doing much of anything.
But I was being much more consistently compliant with eating a starch-based, plant food diet.
By July, I was back in my own bed, in my own house and beginning to do most of my usual activities, which includes gardening and even cutting grass.
PET scan end of Aug/ oncologist appt Sept 14. Most of that appt was a dr-'in training to be an oncologist' talking about why I needed to be on meds to strengthen bones; regular dr didn't say much except she is still pushing the bone meds and that I 'need more calcium' and "should be drinking milk". I mentioned that milk 'promotes and aggravates cancer"--appt over...even though
Cancer has regressed "significantly", many spots are gone, the rest reduced in size 'considerably'. Even the original two lumps are much smaller and 'softer'. I still have some pain in middle/upper back, but seldom have to take any pain killers at all. (Not sure if that's from the cancer now, or from the bone problems from the letrozole for 4 months) Cancer markers in blood have dropped from 216 to 81; and 191 to 82.
I actually stopped taking the letrozole 3 days before my appt.. Probably because I've lost like two inches in height & now have that 'hump' near top of spine (doing stretches/exercises for that) (http://saveourbones.com/ seems to be a good site) I am also in much less pain since I stopped taking the letrozole. Found more research which says "Melatonin As Potent as Letrozole in Inhibiting Aromatization of Testosterone to Estrogen" (without the side effects) (http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/06/melatonin-...) Have read quite a few other studies on that topic, so I am trying that now.
So, was it the letrozole, the curcumin, changing my sleep patterns back in April? Or just changing my diet back to consistently starch/plant based? Don't know for sure, but I do know I'm not messing with my diet again!! I can always tell when I've eaten something I should not have had. No matter what drugs or supplements or other changes a person makes, if they don't change how they eat I don't think any of the other things will really help much.
I try to follow a starch/whole-plant-food based diet. See: drmcdougall.com
I also take milk thistle, flax seed and extra vit C and magnesium, and make my own burdock/sheepsorrel tea. A heated corn bag helps me a lot for relieving pain. Also doing reiki, (should be doing) yoga (got out of habit due to extreme pain last winter). Also cut WAY down on tea(caffeine & sugar) and drink lots of water now instead.
My focus right now is cutting more fats and added oils from my diet: https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/video...
The Link Between Dietary Fat and Estrogen Levels, http://plantfueledlife.com/fat-estrogen/
High corn oil diet promotes mammary tumor development in animal model of breast cancer, http://foodforbreastcancer.com/news/high-corn-oil-...
"Our results clearly show that eating a high-fat diet is sufficient to increase cancer risk, regardless of obesity... tumor formation was caused by inflammation induced by the corn- and coconut-based diets. Notably, inflammation and intestinal tumors in the mice were triggered very soon - three days -- after being fed these high-fat diets." http://www.news-medical.net/news/20160926/Specific...
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2015nl/feb/dietan...
Hope some of these links will help others with their research towards defeating cancer naturally and feeling better. My very best to all of you.
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Me too Sandy. I know several people who did everything "right" and still got cancer. I don't buy a lot of those dos and don'ts. My sister and I both got BC. Our mother did too. Connect the dots. More than likely family connection.
My ONC admitted they just don't know why some women get it and others don't other than we got the unlucky draw.
It's a personal decision to undergo treatments or not. For me I'm not playing Russian roulette with my life. Just my take. I was 5 years out last month.
Diane
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When people who have more money than God go alternative and still die, that rather says something. The conventional treatments and drugs are seen as a "cancer industry" but by the same token, so are all the thousands of money making books, treatments and "drugs" made by alternative sources. Nobody is doing it free, are they? At least with conventional treatments they have gone under rigorous clinical studies (double blinded) and are regulated. Before anyone then says those studies are biased or paid for by Big Pharma....well the advertisements and poorly set up studies, if there even are any, by alternative sources are also biased. And they aren't regulated. The remedies can be dangerous as well. There is no standardization. The herbal remedy can be from poorly grown and/or stored plants and worse, can be contaminated especially those of Chinese origins...but not always. Some OTC herbal "remedies" have very little of what one is looking for in them, nor does the label list contraindications and possible side effects....because they are not regulated. I'll trust science, thank you.....not some failed guru looking for a quick buck. Didn't they call them snake oil salesmen for a reason? Anyway, ALWAYS one's choice to do what one wants and to feel good about your choices. Cancer is awful and even if you have polarized views about treatment, it will always be about one's free choices.
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depends a lot on our age. the alternatives are for the most part non-invasive and non painful, at age 80 in may I'll go with that thank you
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I, did not do Rads or Chemo or Tomox.....but I did have a Mastectomy and then a Hysterectomy that being said I am in my 60's and in Dec. will be 6 years....Liz
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Getting a proper diagnosis in the first place would be helpful Abigail
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Sandcastle, maybe I'm confused but I thought you were diagnosed with DCIS.
If that's the case then with your MX and hysterectomy, you had standard of care treatment - or in fact possibly more than that since not many DCIS women have hysterectomies.
Rads after a MX for DCIS is only done in rare cases where the surgical margins are very close.
Chemo is never given for DCIS.
Tamoxifen is not required after a MX for DCIS and is recommended only as a possible protection of the remaining breast for those who have a single MX. I had a UMX for DCIS-Mi and while I discussed Tamox with my MO, he actually recommended against it.
So given the subject of this thread, I guess I'm confused as to what treatment you refused. But then I know that some docs recommend treatments for DCIS that are above and beyond the usual treatment guidelines. Could you clarify?
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"This forum is a safe, judgement-free place to discuss Alternative medicine. Alternative medicine refers to treatments that are used INSTEAD of standard, evidence-based treatment."
If you are not interested in discussing alternative medical treatments for breast cancer there are many other areas on this site where you may post comments. Please allow this area for those of us who are genuinely interested in alternatives.
There are many, many valid scientific studies done on alternative treatments for those willing and able to do the research.
Physicians committee for responsible medicine: http://www.pcrm.org/
U.S. National Library of Medicine
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ https://medlineplus.gov/breastcancer.html
http://nutritionstudies.org/search/breast+cancer
http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/19/2/2497
http://plantfueledlife.com/fat-estrogen/
http://erc.endocrinology-journals.org/content/earl...
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years and years ago now I was bullied unmercifully to leave the thread I was posting on and post on not diagnosed but worried, and here now a very interesting person has been vanished this person was writing a very v ery interesting essay on the nature of cancer. everyone should be allowed, no telling what of interest may turn up on any post even off subject
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"a melatonin concentration of 20 nM and resveratrol concentration of 20 μM have an aromatase inhibitory effect as potent as 20 nM letrozole, which is a clinically used anti-aromatase drug in breast cancer treatment. The SEEM mechanism of action of especially melatonin clearly offers potential advantages for breast cancer treatment."https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24929094
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/06/melatonin-...
I have other links regarding melatonin and breast cancer if anyone would like more. I took letrozole for about 4 months after a really bad winter of stage IV pain. Stopped taking it because of bone/pain problems and went back to all natural treatments. Feeling much better now.
Also:
"Honey is highly cytotoxic against tumor or cancer cells while it is non-cytotoxic to normal cells. The data indicate that honey can inhibit carcinogenesis by modulating the molecular processes of initiation, promotion, and progression stages.
the study found that the anti-cancer effect of tualang honey on breast cancer cells was similar to that of tamoxifen [37]. Cytotoxic effects on breast cancer cells (MCF-7) have also been reported for Indian honey [38]. These studies reveal that honey is able to exert cytotoxicity in both MCF-7 and MDA-MB-231 which are ER-positive and ER-negative breast cancer cells, respectively.
Other findings include less prominent vasculature around the tumor nodules and significantly reduced weights and volumes of the tumor masses (which were smaller, softer and paler with spots of necrosis) in honey-treated rats"
http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/19/2/2497/htm
Also: those with liver problems may want to check into milk thistle:
"Laboratory studies demonstrate that silymarin stabilizes cellular membranes, stimulates detoxification pathways, stimulates regeneration of liver tissue, inhibits the growth of certain cancer cell lines, exerts direct cytotoxic activity toward certain cancer cell lines, and possibly increases the efficacy of certain chemotherapy agents."
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/...
"we suggest that silibinin prevents the EGFR signaling pathway and may be used as an effective drug for the inhibition of metastasis of human breast cancer."http://ar.iiarjournals.org/content/31/11/3767.long
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mapat, I'm glad you don't chase off easily. I am also doing holistic and in fact this reminds me I need to answer your pm! LOL.
I'll be three years past dx in mid November and I never did anything conventional--with my family history and personal beliefs, I could not have done otherwise. It's true that some people get cancer despite healthy lifestyles, but the vast majority of cancer cases, per the American Cancer Society, are lifestyle related. If my lifestyle had been perfect before I got this I would have probably gone the conventional route, but I had so much to clean up I felt that holistic was the best option. Also you can have the healthiest lifestyle on the planet and if you have unresolved emotional issues you can still get it. Or you could be completely healthy and still get it.
Mine isn't shrinking but it doesn't seem to be growing either, and the original lab report said mine was moderately fast growing.
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the market finally got more sour cherry juice in stock so I should sleep well tonight especially since I've been without it since they ran out or the city visitors got it all. melatonin naturally yay
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Abigail48: Sour cherry juice huh?? All that research on melatonin, I don't remember any of them suggesting foods rather than supplements. (I had always thought it was just something our bodies produced) Apparently, yes, sour cherry juice, as well as others: http://www.immunehealthscience.com/foods-with-mela... (thanks)
Pipersdream: I've been looking a LONG time for others to discuss natural treatments with, as well as wanting to share information with others. I plan to be around for a long time. I don't talk about BC with much of anyone locally, because most are the whole 'ohno you gotta do this/that whatever the dr says...sorry, NO! I don't. Treating the symptoms is not resolving whatever caused it in the first place.
I always considered myself to have a healthy diet/lifestyle (overall), but before the internet, reliable information was much harder to get locally, so there were many things perhaps not as healthy as I once thought they were. Since being diagnosed, I have researched and read and researched and learned more than I ever imagined.
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Mapat, thanks for that list. Cherries are a fruit I can't deal with, just hate the taste and especially smell, but I love mustard seeds and use them often in cooking
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- 260 High Risk of Recurrence or Second Breast Cancer
- 22 International, Non-English Speakers With Breast Cancer
- 16 Latinas/Hispanics With Breast Cancer
- 189 LGBTQA+ With Breast Cancer
- 152 May Their Memory Live On
- 85 Member Matchup & Virtual Support Meetups
- 375 Members by Location
- 291 Older Than 60 Years Old With Breast Cancer
- 177 Singles With Breast Cancer
- 869 Young With Breast Cancer
- 50.4K Connecting With Others Who Have a Similar Diagnosis
- 204 Breast Cancer with Another Diagnosis or Comorbidity
- 4K DCIS (Ductal Carcinoma In Situ)
- 79 DCIS plus HER2-positive Microinvasion
- 529 Genetic Testing
- 2.2K HER2+ (Positive) Breast Cancer
- 1.5K IBC (Inflammatory Breast Cancer)
- 3.4K IDC (Invasive Ductal Carcinoma)
- 1.5K ILC (Invasive Lobular Carcinoma)
- 999 Just Diagnosed With a Recurrence or Metastasis
- 652 LCIS (Lobular Carcinoma In Situ)
- 193 Less Common Types of Breast Cancer
- 252 Male Breast Cancer
- 86 Mixed Type Breast Cancer
- 3.1K Not Diagnosed With a Recurrence or Metastases but Concerned
- 189 Palliative Therapy/Hospice Care
- 488 Second or Third Breast Cancer
- 1.2K Stage I Breast Cancer
- 313 Stage II Breast Cancer
- 3.8K Stage III Breast Cancer
- 2.5K Triple-Negative Breast Cancer
- 13.1K Day-to-Day Matters
- 132 All things COVID-19 or coronavirus
- 87 BCO Free-Cycle: Give or Trade Items Related to Breast Cancer
- 5.9K Clinical Trials, Research News, Podcasts, and Study Results
- 86 Coping with Holidays, Special Days and Anniversaries
- 828 Employment, Insurance, and Other Financial Issues
- 101 Family and Family Planning Matters
- Family Issues for Those Who Have Breast Cancer
- 26 Furry friends
- 1.8K Humor and Games
- 1.6K Mental Health: Because Cancer Doesn't Just Affect Your Breasts
- 706 Recipe Swap for Healthy Living
- 704 Recommend Your Resources
- 171 Sex & Relationship Matters
- 9 The Political Corner
- 874 Working on Your Fitness
- 4.5K Moving On & Finding Inspiration After Breast Cancer
- 394 Bonded by Breast Cancer
- 3.1K Life After Breast Cancer
- 806 Prayers and Spiritual Support
- 285 Who or What Inspires You?
- 28.7K Not Diagnosed But Concerned
- 1K Benign Breast Conditions
- 2.3K High Risk for Breast Cancer
- 18K Not Diagnosed But Worried
- 7.4K Waiting for Test Results
- 603 Site News and Announcements
- 560 Comments, Suggestions, Feature Requests
- 39 Mod Announcements, Breastcancer.org News, Blog Entries, Podcasts
- 4 Survey, Interview and Participant Requests: Need your Help!
- 61.9K Tests, Treatments & Side Effects
- 586 Alternative Medicine
- 255 Bone Health and Bone Loss
- 11.4K Breast Reconstruction
- 7.9K Chemotherapy - Before, During, and After
- 2.7K Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment
- 775 Diagnosed and Waiting for Test Results
- 7.8K Hormonal Therapy - Before, During, and After
- 50 Immunotherapy - Before, During, and After
- 7.4K Just Diagnosed
- 1.4K Living Without Reconstruction After a Mastectomy
- 5.2K Lymphedema
- 3.6K Managing Side Effects of Breast Cancer and Its Treatment
- 591 Pain
- 3.9K Radiation Therapy - Before, During, and After
- 8.4K Surgery - Before, During, and After
- 109 Welcome to Breastcancer.org
- 98 Acknowledging and honoring our Community
- 11 Info & Resources for New Patients & Members From the Team