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  • Loveroflife
    Loveroflife Member Posts: 5,563
    edited August 2016

    Hey, Rose. Thinking of you always.

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  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Member Posts: 3,061
    edited August 2016

    No puking today. We have tickets to see Lion King and the kids are excited. It should be fun. My last big outing with the whole family. Then chemo wednesday. Not looking forward to that. Two days later I always feel horrid. It's sunny and breezy and lovely. I feel blessed to be laying around watering plants, played fetch with the dog, filled up the bird bath. After days of icky misery this is a reprieve. Thank you universe. I am pretty weak though not a ton of energy, losing all that ascites fluid can't help me. Everything is an effort.

    Love to all. Thank you.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited August 2016

    Rose, I thought you might like to see a picture of my new grand-puppy. Lucky for me, DS lives in town so I get to doggy-sit!

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  • Kjones13
    Kjones13 Member Posts: 1,520
    edited August 2016

    Rose--I have read every word you have written in the last couple years. I so appreciate your honesty and letting us share this time with you. You are amazing! And an even more amazing mother. Something to aspire to! Your husband and kiddos will morn you. How could they not be sad to have you around? But I also know that they will be ok for you have prepared and loved them well. Forever in their hearts and in ours. I wish you peace. No more drains and bottles. No more puke. No more drugs. Just peace. I will always remembered your tenacity and determination and of course, your loving kindness for all! Hugs and much love to you!

    Kristin.

  • Mominator
    Mominator Member Posts: 1,575
    edited August 2016

    I am happy for your Lion King outing, and grateful for your reprieve. I hope you have a lovely day.

  • Beatmon
    Beatmon Member Posts: 1,562
    edited August 2016

    Dear Rose, hope that Lion King was a success and that you are resting today without vomiting. I sincerely wish that I could carry some of your burden....only in my heart I guess. Thank you for every post and what you continue to teach me.

    Brenda E

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited August 2016

    Dear Rosevalley,

    Seeing you in my mind's eye - at the show with your family, in your garden today, feeling your well slowly refill after yesterday's big outing.

    May healing energy flow to and through you, re-enlivening all your cells and refreshing your spirit.

    September is so soon now.

    You will always be with me Rosevalley and soon enough we'll meet up - not in person or in personality, but in deep recognition of our kindred spirits.

    great loving kindness, Stephanie

    PS, I hadn't heard of the book Tribe, but a copy is on its way to me. Thank you for expanding my heart, mind and world in yet one more meaningful way.

  • Holeinone
    Holeinone Member Posts: 2,478
    edited August 2016

    Rose, I hope you had a great family outing. Did they have interpreters for your DDs? I saw the Lion King 5 years ago in Seattle. Costumes were amazing. I really enjoyed it all.

    I have wanted to ask you for a long time.....do you remember back in1999 when the stumps appeared in Neskowin ? The newspaper article states that it was caused by El Niño spring storms. The stumps were 2,000 years old & thought to be snapped by earthquakes at the time. ( I saved the article ). We loaded up 2 suburbans of teens & preteens and headed over for spring break. Oregon Coast is my favorite place. I have rented beach houses there for years.

    Rose, Please know, you have taught me so much. Always positive but not afraid to be honest, tell it like it is, which really stinks much of the time. My 6 months of being in this stage 4 cancer land has really sucked. Cancer has spread so fast, now some heart issues. Trying my best, chin up, keep busy. Don't fall over, which I have never had to think about before, almost comical.

    Hopeing your days are peaceful & as pain free as possible. You certainly have endured enough.


  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Member Posts: 3,061
    edited August 2016

    You know that book the Tribe is a small book but very very interesting on community mental health, belonging and disconnect in society. It was a very interesting read. I read a book review in NYTimes and thought can't stand it - must read it. I am glad I did. Everyone who cares about QOL not stuff, should read it since there is so much about history that we can learn from. I love that the settlers who left the colonies to live with the Indians routinely never sought out to come home. If they were forceably returned they left to go back to the tribe. Who would have thought? I will be interested to know what you think Stephanie.

    The Lion King was stunning. We were kind of high but center. SO the full effect of the stage and sets and costumes was just wonderful The music and sound quality was great. The puppet animals and the way they moved was just magical. My DDs all loved the birds and dancing. I had to sign the story in parts and make explanations during the laughter and music. Some parts are hard to make "deaf" meaning. The story is universal with an African theme. The young king returning to find himself and reclaim his rightful place. A myth for us all finding out who we really are. Great music and I loved the stars/ night sky. We enjoyed it. I had to take a couple of pain pills to sit that long and got myself in a position I couldn't get out of..causing pain. But we had a great night out. It was lovely.

    I still have a couple of weeks to get through before school starts after labor day. I went for chemo today and talked to the oncologist. She said she was surprised the markers jumped so much and I was so symptomatic so fast on one week off. My albumin and total protein dropped again causing the increased ascites. My liver enzymes are just a bit elevated and my white count must be ok because they gave me gemzar. So we will see what happens in the next 2 weeks. I feel like I should drain but I would like to wait just in case the chemo circulating is in that fluid. Let it sit for 8 hours and pull it off tomorrow. Of course tomorrow the steroids will sustain me and then I will crash and feel awful Friday.

    My DH is so the eternal optimist... he told the oncologist I ate an entire piece of terimisu (sp?) cake and didn't puke. (It was fiercely yummy and I decided that if I did puke- it was blooming worth it.) We went to a special desert restaurant with DD3 for a treat. It was practically the only thing I ate that day. He also said my last drain went down! All happy.. it was 12 hours not 24 hours. That's why the number was decreased. I drained early to have a good time at the show and not be bloated. He tries to see any little improvement as "getting better" sustaining. It's cute and kind of sad. Really things are not better at all; they are slowly and distinctly getting worse. I keep telling him that and he just can't accept it. But there is the next couple of weeks to endure. As fast as things are progressing, unless magic happens, he will need to accept my leaving. My oncologist wanted to add carboplatin to the gemzar but that would mean more N/V. I made a face. We are sticking to gemzar. Tumor mrkers should be back tomorrow. Wish me luck .

    Thank you for your pictures and kind words everyone. I love the puppy Ruth! Stella's super cute. Lucky you to play Grandma!

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited August 2016

    Crossing everything that TMs are back to pre-break. Glad you got to enjoy Lion King. Will be reading The Tribe.

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited August 2016

    Rosevalley, will put Tribe at the top of my reading list when it arrives next week. Glad you'll stick around to have a little book club with me next week (yes, I can be selfish as well as selfless).

    Just to clarify, I was a volunteer hospital chaplain, not a hospice chaplain. I had my hospice chaplain in mind when I wrote - she and my hospice nurse are both moms and strong mama bears. On Monday they talked me through a strong lesson in self protection - sometimes it takes a show of claws and teeth. I missed that nurturing protection as a child, so am learning now to just say no to things I don't want to do, even if I love the people who want to do them with me. I can say no to play or process or performance. I get to choose and needn't even use the excuse, "but I'm sick and dying, so don't expect the impossible from me."

    Just yesterday, a friend who spent years trying to cheer me up by telling me to get well soon, told me that she prayed for my release. We've shared so much process around death, grief, change and letting go. She finally gets it and gets me. (selfish, yes!). So much easier and lighter to have our loved ones accept our deaths as natural and wanted outcomes from our long and painful illnesses. These bodies do get worn out and our spirits long to fly free.

    Rosevalley, I pray your DH also gets his release and can nobly claim all he did to love you well for so many amazing years, through so many adventures. Then he can do the hardest, most painful noble deed and let you move on. Your love will remain, maybe through the particular pain of parting now.

    This is close to your prayer, yes?

    Rosevalley, you are essential mama bear. I've learned so much together.

    Thank you, my dear teacher, Stephanie

  • lalady1
    lalady1 Member Posts: 618
    edited August 2016

    Rose - being part Native American, I can't wait to read the Tribe. My ancestors "hid" their background to blend in - especially those in Oklahoma, where being part Indian was shamed. But I will never forget my WW2 vet uncle (married to my Aunt) who refused to tell me what tribe he was part of, in his latter years weaving head bonnets with his Chickasaw nation card (and a check each month). My brother and I are looking for our tribe on our mother's side - somewhere in VA, but relatives who would know have all passed. Its a great spiritual journey. Very proud my brother is an ER Dr. on Sioux nation in SD. We are still searching for our roots. Thanks for this recommendation. FYI I am going to see Ringo Starr perform at the Segerstrom on Oct 23th. :) Peace and love. (()) Claire

  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Member Posts: 3,061
    edited August 2016

    Lalady- congrads on returning to your roots! I was always intrigued by Native American culture and it's beautiful art and myths. I had clay teacher when I was a child, who was also intrigued and smitten and I got lots of influence from her. It has made my life richer. Hope you make all your connections. The book Tribe is about the sense of community that is missing in modern society. Ittalks about "tribal" sense in vets because the military fosters the same sense of tribal unity necessary for military survival. Also during times of war and severe calamity when people rally and become tribal in cohesive unity. Modern society with it's individual bent and focus on aquiring things doesn't give people meaning and tribal identity/ support. Frequently there is mental illness, depression and sadness even though we have aquired enormous weatlh and safety. It's a sociology book and very interesting. Makes me wonder if the current fad of community co-housing, tiny living and such aren't a response to disconnect and wanting to be grounded with community. Making a tribe if you will is what we all do finding our mates and families. My own DD2 and her vegan diet has given her a sense of community and purpose- finding others like herself.

    My tumor markers went down just 30 points. At least they went down. Taking a break from gemzar didn't help me.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited August 2016

    Dang....well, down is better than up anyway.

    I will send you tons of grand-puppy pictures if you like them. Stella is a mini-schnauzer; which are lovely, even tempered dogs, but need lots of socialization when they are young......and who could be better at doing that when your 'parent' is away during the day than a 'gramma'.


  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited August 2016
  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Member Posts: 3,061
    edited August 2016

    Ruth we grew up with mini schnauzers! Mine was named Freddy. My DH had one named Schatzy and Brandy. They were all salt and pepper with the cropped ears. I think the floppy ears are cuter. Cropping is kind of barbaric. I have never seen one so two toned before. Stella is so cute. Love the name and the story behind it.Does she play tug and growl and steal socks from the laundry? My dog Freddy was a sock thief. They have great personalities.

    My DH's sister died suddenly today. She was disabled with Down's and was sick, still it was sudden and a shock. No one expected it. No suffering which was very good.Life is uncertain. It's hard on my DH since they were close and he was protective of her. Now she is gone another part of family history slips away. My memories of her are positive and happy. She was a happy person and lived a good life with a loving supportive family.

  • Mominator
    Mominator Member Posts: 1,575
    edited August 2016

    Oh Rose, I'm so sorry for the loss of your DH's dear sister. My heart is breaking for you and him.

    Did your DDs spend a lot of time with their Auntie? I'm so sorry for their loss as well. Life is uncertain indeed.

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited August 2016

    Rosevalley, my condolences for the death of your sister in law. Unexpected deaths are a sucker punch to the gut and hurt so much.

    I can only imagine how your husband feels now and how his sister's death will link with yours, coming so close together in time (if all goes as we think it will, though I swear you've got a few more lifetimes as Rosevalley).

    And, as we both know, special needs family members are deeply woven into the family fabric...not stray threads, but often integral to the functioning of the whole family.

    You don't have to be a mom or a dad to matter!

    I don't even have Tribe yet, but I'm already noodling on the topic and want to start up our book group while we're alive and well enough to attend. :)

    bco isn't really a tribe, but more of a nation - some of the forums function as cities or towns, many of the individual topics as neighborhoods or tribes. (thanks to Divine who introduced this metaphor here).

    The book Far From the Tree: Parents, Children and the Search for Identity by Andrew Solomon has been with me recently - you must have read it?

    You can read his work on the deaf and deaf community here http://andrewsolomon.com/articles/defiantly-deaf/

    Or watch this short video:

    I'm excited to read The Tribe as I've spent my lifetime building community. Like many of my geography and generation, I broke away from the family of origin, church and dominant culture as my tribe and sought others with similarities (age, interest, enthusiasm, intelligence, contrariness, commitment, etc.). Oddly, as I age and approach death, I find I'm most interested in what's in others' hearts and if we have warm, mutually supportive connections, then I treasure our unique and diverse beings.

    Does that make sense? I treasure both individuality and connection/community.

    Tribe can make collective life possible, while limiting individual lives and options.

    I often ponder the reality that traditional tribes had to live with diverse members. Yes, severely disabled babies might be left out to die and those who betrayed tribal life might be exiled, a fatal outcome. Tribes fought and killed one another and some so exploited their environment, that their tribe was extinguished or absorbed into other tribes.

    The shadow side of tribes based on similarities is the casting out of the different other. Now that war has gone nuclear and post-nuclear, I worry that all could be destroyed based on polarization.

    Coming together has its upsides and downsides.

    For some reason, I'm reminded of Kara Walker's art work A Subtlety, or the Marvelous Sugar Baby.

    She is a master at holding the paradox of pride and oppression, togetherness and alienation, culture and exploitation.

    I wish I could find video footage of audience reactions to the installation - it was a fascinating exploration!!

    Well, my dear friend, Rosevalley, I hope this feeds you a bit today.

    Your family and you continue to be in my loving, healing meditations.

    Sending much loving kindness for all of us, Stephanie

  • queenmomcat
    queenmomcat Member Posts: 3,039
    edited August 2016

    Editor board member sez "It's tiramisu....and it's so totally worth it if that's the only thing you manage to eat that day." And I'll back you up on that to face down all your medical team.

    And yeah: SIL, and holding out until the start of school, and all that.

  • Hummingbird4
    Hummingbird4 Member Posts: 331
    edited August 2016

    Rosevalley, I'm so sorry to hear of the loss of your sister in law. I'm sure this is a very difficult time for all of you. My deepest sympathy, you are in my thoughts.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited August 2016

    Oh Rose, I am so sorry about your SIL. It sounds like she was a lovely, and beloved, part of the family.

    Send any mini schnauzer tips my way! We have never had a dog in the immediate family so are all newbies in dog raising. Yes, she likes to tug & collect twigs, and fetch (she has a fuzzy squeak toy that she especially loves, if you toss it; she will chase & grab it and then hurry off to hide it). She bounds when she runs, is a little cautious (but not scared) of people, animals or things. She is a good little walker & will stay right at your side when you are out in the yard. Yes, you can tell I'm already hooked!

  • Kandy
    Kandy Member Posts: 1,461
    edited August 2016

    Oh Rose, so sorry to hear about your sister in law. You know that I hold a special place in my heart for anyone with Downs. They are wonderful people. Prayers and thoughts are with you and your family.

  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Member Posts: 3,061
    edited August 2016

    Can you imagine how friggin great it would be if chemo tasted as good as tiramisu cake??? We would be the envy of the medical world the chosen patients! Ha ha... in our dreams instead of the taste of saline and heparin after our port flushes. ugh...

    Stephanie- very interesting clip on deaf culture. We have a cool book about a congenital form of deafness in Nepal and the culture that revolves around it. Beautifully photographed. I guess there is another village in Bali. Both my kids have congenitally malformed cochleas and both have implants. Neither get enough information for speech. My oldest DD gets the best use of her cochlear implant and loves music and will listen with her Ipod. She will hum and we can figure out from the melody what song she is listening to! Like she loves Ariel songs from Disney and will hum the songs. Dead on too! It's so funny. My youngest doesn't get enough of the speech spectrum to use an implant except for sound awareness. She will listen to music and can tell if something is on or off etc. Still both kids are culturally deaf. They think in ASL and write in English with ASL influence. It is isolating speaking a language no one else does. It's hard. They can be in a play ground of kids and isolated... it's heart breaking sometimes. They also have a radar for seeing someone sign from a football field away! OOOOHHHH someone DEAF!!!! Yippeee!! They go barging over and no one is ever upset. It seems a cultural norm to bust in and connect, regardless of age.

    The school for the deaf is full of kids with cochlear implants who can't use them for speech or hearing. Just giving someone an implant doesn't make them hearing. If they don't get the audiology and speech support early and hard, plus support from school, the kids won't wear the implants and they won't develop normal speech. Even kids who were headed for being verbal and mainstreamed successfully I have seen give up because it is so hard to listen and learn in a noisy public school. They just wear out and quit. It's very hard and an enormous amount of work.

    My attitude is and will be - cochlear implants are tools period. You are always deaf and to use a tool is what humans do. If it helps you great. I wear hearing aides and glasses. Can't see a dang thing without my glasses. I wear them. Can't hear well either. We got quite some negative feedback from deaf folks over giving 2 adopted deaf kids implants but I have no regrets. The kids enjoy what use they do get. They will always be a part of the Deaf Tribe. They will always make fun of our signing and giggle at our mistakes... Like one time I signed chocolate instead of Church and my kid and DH busted up that they wanted to go to the chocolate church of See's.... as in See's candies. Holy Sees.... it took a long time to live that down. My DD2 recently signed she was going to kill the car instead of park it and my 15 year old nearly fell off her chair laughing. Hearing folks making mistakes keep us humble!

  • cling
    cling Member Posts: 333
    edited August 2016

    9-life Rosevalley: Very sorry about your SIL. You almost made it to your goal of the end of summer for your DD3, your next goal is to be here with your DH until he recovers from his loss. You can't take DwD pill. Your DH deserves to have you longer. Be strong, I know you suffer a lot, but your mind is so clear and so passionate about life. Make your next goal, and this time do it for your DH, for his love.

  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Member Posts: 3,061
    edited August 2016

    Thank you for your posts about DH's sister. She was a happy person, loved to swim, eat, enjoy favorite TV shows and was just a sweet heart. My DH wanted to say good by but a fast death beats a slow one. Now she is free of disability and flying free. She lived a charmed life and was lucky in that she had stellar support and well educated parents who loved her. No hidden away family here. She had rights and respect and love.

    Ruth my DH ooohh and ahh over Stella! He was like "cutest puppy ever." We used crate training for house training and swear by that. You do have to train yourself that tiny baby bladders need frequent trips out and all positive rewards. Praise and tummy rubs and positive reinforcement. If our puppy went to chew something she shouldn't we had a can with pennies that made a sharp startling sound that we shook and then said "no!" That worked. Then give them puppy nyla bones, kong toys with peanut butter are a great treat. No raw hide. It's all about learning what is ok to chew and what is off limits. We don't allow dogs on the beds. We have a huge Costco round bed and our border collie sleeps in her bed. Not on people beds. So you have to decide on what rules you want to enforce. Make sure you give her a good quality food. Enjoy her she is sooo cute. Nice to have a dog and cats. What do the 2 old brothers think of Stella?

  • PattyPeppermint
    PattyPeppermint Member Posts: 11,162
    edited August 2016

    rose. Sorry to hear about your sil. Enough is enough already for your family. Big hugs

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited August 2016

    Here is Stella loving up DH. I will pass your tips onto DS, who is her owner (we are just the lucky grandparents, so can do the spoiling). I know he is strict about her diet; no people food, nothing with 'wheat' as an ingredient etc. He has two cats, as do we, so poor Stella will probably think that SHE is a cat too!

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  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited August 2016

    Stella and my cat, Henry, who you can see is not amused! (I put her on the bed because I needed to fold some clothes & she is too little to jump off so she couldn't escape from me and get into mischief while I was busy.....Henry jumped up there himself & I was suprised when he stayed.)

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  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited August 2016

    Good morning, dear Rosevalley,

    Here's my book report on Sebastian Junger's Tribe:

    I was surprised that this book didn't capture my interest or imagination. I thought it would be about tribes - traditional and modern, but it focused mostly on men, the military and war.

    I enjoy hearing, talking, reading, reflecting and acting on his topics: American Indian tribal life; US & world history; war's effects on humans, culture and the environment; community; PTSD; attachment theory; income/resource inequality; exploitation and colonialism; healing and recovery; forgiveness and letting go; and what modern folks can learn and integrate from indigenous and traditional folks to co-create a more just, sustainable and resilient future.

    Well, to be honest, I know next to nothing about men, male-dominant culture and the military.

    As a lifelong pacifist, I've not so much recoiled from war as sought non-violent solutions to historical and global issues.

    While Junger wasn't exactly a proponent of war and the military, he accepts and celebrates them and their ability to evoke loyalty, belonging and meaning.

    He contrasts this with affluent, disconnected, meaningless and purposeless lives lived by many moderns.

    I'm fortunate to live in the San Francisco Bay Area where thousands of people have come to co-create new ways of life for themselves and the next generation - lives that draw on native and indigenous tribal wisdom; the modern electronically connected age; harmonious ecological relationships; and care for the seventh generation of all beings living and yet to come into being.

    It's no stretch for me to imagine a future that incorporates the "best of", because I know so many who've devoted their lifetimes to it.

    I'm a fifth generation Californian and I know that my ancestors from here and elsewhere all sought better lives for themselves and us. And that better wasn't only measured by economic, professional and social success - but by community responsibility for all including the least among us.

    Junger's polarity between tribal life and modern life is a false polarity in my experience.

    Another problem I had throughout the book was his faulty reasoning - he too often misconstrued correlation with causation and then passed value judgements on his untested theories - an example is that society honors our military veterans by listening and encouraging them to self-identify as human heroes, not victims or villains.

    Those who don't want to take time to read the book's few essay-chapters can read much of it here:

    HOW PTSD BECAME A PROBLEM FAR BEYOND THE BATTLEFIELD

    Though only 10 percent of American forces see combat, the U.S. military now has the highest rate of post-traumatic stress disorder in its history. Sebastian Junger investigates.

    BY SEBASTIAN JUNGER MAY 7, 2015

    (excerpt follows)

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/05/ptsd-war-ho...

    Well, my nausea has calmed down and I hope to sleep now.

    Looking forward to hearing from you, Rosevalley.

    And from anyone else who's taken on this short, thought-provoking book.

    early morning regards and loving kindness, Stephanie

    xxx

    excerpt from article:

    Any discussion of PTSD and its associated sense of alienation in society must address the fact that many soldiers find themselves missing the war after it's over. That troubling fact can be found in written accounts from war after war, country after country, century after century. Awkward as it is to say, part of the trauma of war seems to be giving it up. There are ancient human behaviors in war—loyalty, inter-reliance, cooperation—that typify good soldiering and can't be easily found in modern society. This can produce a kind of nostalgia for the hard times that even civilians are susceptible to…

    What all these people seem to miss isn't danger or loss, per se, but the closeness and cooperation that danger and loss often engender. Humans evolved to survive in extremely harsh environments, and our capacity for cooperation and sharing clearly helped us do that. Structurally, a band of hunter-gatherers and a platoon in combat are almost exactly the same: in each case, the group numbers between 30 and 50 individuals, they sleep in a common area, they conduct patrols, they are completely reliant on one another for support, comfort, and defense, and they share a group identity that most would risk their lives for. Personal interest is subsumed into group interest because personal survival is not possible without group survival. From an evolutionary perspective, it's not at all surprising that many soldiers respond to combat in positive ways and miss it when it's gone.

    There are obvious psychological stresses on a person in a group, but there may be even greater stresses on a person in isolation. Most higher primates, including humans, are intensely social, and there are few examples of individuals surviving outside of a group. A modern soldier returning from combat goes from the kind of close-knit situation that humans evolved for into a society where most people work outside the home, children are educated by strangers, families are isolated from wider communities, personal gain almost completely eclipses collective good, and people sleep alone or with a partner. Even if he or she is in a family, that is not the same as belonging to a large, self-sufficient group that shares and experiences almost everything collectively. Whatever the technological advances of modern society—and they're nearly miraculous—the individual lifestyles that those technologies spawn may be deeply brutalizing to the human spirit.

    xxx

    One could say that combat vets are the White Indians of today, and that they miss the war because it was, finally, an experience of human closeness that they can't easily find back home. Not the closeness of family, which is rare enough, but the closeness of community and tribe.

  • Zillsnot4me
    Zillsnot4me Member Posts: 2,687
    edited August 2016

    Thanks for the report on tribe Stephanie.

    Rose. Sorry about your SIL.

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