ILC vs Ductal recurrence timings

Lily55
Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534

I have spoken to the surgeon team and to the Oncologist and both say that lobular and ductal cáncer are most likely to recur in first five years BUT I was told in UK that lobular is more likely to recur after 10 years..........what have you all been told please? 

As lobular is slower growing my own belief is the 10 years is more likely, I so wish I had confidence in the Oncologist here but I don´t and I cannot change as its a public system and very rigid......

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  • Leslie13
    Leslie13 Member Posts: 202
    edited August 2016

    I've both heard and read ILC recurs later. It has little in common with Ductal -- as you know. Is this another team you get to educate about the differences between the 2. I hope not.

    It may depend on how clean of margins they get. I'm glad I had a double BMX after my breast tissue was dissected. My smaller breasts were full of LCIS. I have no idea how well lumpectomies work in treating Lobular breast cancer in larger breasts

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited August 2016

    i had UMX but do not feel confident my team understand lobular...... Hoping some others reply soon...

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited August 2016

    I've never been told a distinction between IDC and ILC recurrence times--just ER/PR positive vs. negative recurrence times. Hormone negative tends to recur the first 2-3 years, and hormone positive tends to recur much later, like 10-15 years. FWIW, I had a local PILC recurrence after 8 years, while on Tamoxifen.

  • Optimist52
    Optimist52 Member Posts: 302
    edited August 2016

    I had a new ILC or recurrence (still not sure which) nearly 12 years after the first one (4cm). Of course it would have been growing for a long time so if it had been found earlier it could have been six years or eight years. So these time periods are more complex than they might first appear. Had all my annual mammograms and ultrasounds, nothing showed up until I found it myself - not that I'm bitter or anything!

  • BlueKoala
    BlueKoala Member Posts: 190
    edited August 2016

    Regardless of whether lobular is more likely to recur later or not, I think it's important to be vigilant with check ups and aware of changes to our bodies from the beginning. I almost think it doesn't matter when it might return, but that it could, even a decade or more later.


    optimist - my breast surgeon has told me that she wants me to get an annual MRI because lobular can be tricky to pick up on mammography/sonography.
  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited August 2016

    I have insisted on annual MRI´s and refused mammograms as a waste of time but am concerned these will stop next year when I get to 5 years..........it is long overdue that lobular was treated and monitored as a separate entity.......not lumped in with ductal as its a completely different cáncer type with different monitoring requirements.

    I had Heard about hormone positivity affecting risks of recurrence.......

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited August 2016

    Lily, I insisted on annual MRIs as well, especially since I'd had a lumpectomy and had lots of PLCIS left over in the bad boob. My onc at the time said, "You've been stable for 6 years, you're on Tamoxifen, I think we can discontinue MRIs. Plus you have your mammos". I knew her remark was insurance driven, not clinically driven, so I said, no, we will continue MRIs. We ended up compromising on doing them every other year. The last one I had after skipping a year showed the recurrence in the scar tissue. It didn't show on mammo or u/s.

    I don't trust my mammos, either, as they have never caught anything ILC related, but I do continue to get them as they are the only imaging that will show malignant microcalcifications.

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