First International ILC Symposium | Sept 2016 | Pittsburgh, PA
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I would love to see the following topics addressed:
- Immunotherapy
- Low-dose 5 mg/day Tamoxifen instead of the standard 20 mg/day
- Tamoxifen gel
- Testing of LCIS to see how likely it is to go invasive
- Chloroquine (malaria pill) treatment for LCIS and, possibly, ILC
- Urine test
that detects BC (patent filed in Germany)
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Lisa123456, Thank you for providing your list of questions. I am compiling the list and my intention is to not only present the questions during the Q&A but also listing them in the Faces Of ILC booklet. So please keep them coming. Heather
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Quick update....I am finalizing the ILC Sympsium booklet questionnaire with help from BC Advocates and researchers. I want to ensure that we represent our ILC warriors, their respective journeys and questions in this booklet in the best manner possible . I hope to have it up next week. Thank you to everyone who sent me private messages regarding the booklet. 🤗Heather
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Thank you, Heather!
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Hmn, is there a draft questionnaire that we can comment on?
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I honestly don't feel comfortable releasing anything at this moment because it has not been approved. A few of the questions will ask for your diagnosis, age at diagnosis, how your ILC was diagnosed and treatment plan. So some a number will be concrete and a number of others open ended. I hope you understand. You can also be as anonymous or as open as you care to be. Heather
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Oh, no problem, I understand. One thing I will suggest, that you may already have thought of, is that the questions allow for those with more than one diagnosis to answer separately for each. For example, I would answer no to chemo for 2011, but yes to chemo for 2014.
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Here are some ILC questions for our list:
1. There are recent papers identifying subtypes of ILC, such as immune-related and hormone-related. Is there a way for patients and doctors to know or surmise what subtype they are dealing with?
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep18517
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2016/160510/ncomms114...
2. Should oncologists view a pathology finding of isolated tumor cells in the sentinel node differently for ILC? Might ITCs actually represent micrometastases or macrometastases due to the single-file pattern ILC can have? If so, this is not well-known.
http://www.thebreastonline.com/article/S0960-9776(10)00054-8/pdf
3. Should CDK 4/6 inhibitors (e.g. palbociclib/Ibrance) be expected to work on tumors with Cdh1 loss?
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150106/ncomms690...
4. Is Oncotype DX valid for premenopausal ILC?5. Are there any medical oncologists at Pittsburgh or elsewhere with particular knowledge of ILC research and clinical experience who can offer ILC-specific consultations and opinions? Can they offer more than a good oncologist who does not specialize in ILC?
6. What are the best treatments for metastatic ILC?
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MmeJ and toomuch, reading through this thread I saw that you are concerned about whether taxol was appropriate for ILC. I just wanted to say that taxol took me from mets to no evidence of active disease in three cycles. Of course I also experienced chemopause from it, which probably helped also.
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Shetland Pony - Thank you so much for taking the time to let us know about your experience with Taxol. I do believe that we make the best decisions that we can with the information we have at a given time, I just always wondered about the Taxol. It's so great to hear that you had such an amazing response to Taxol. I see that you're getting Ibrance and Letrozole now. Do you mind if I ask if you were started on it for progression or as maintenance? I wish you continued response to your treatments!
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My Ibrance + letrozole is for maintenance, toomuch. My onc said the best thing they had for my situation was taxol. I asked if she had seen taxol work for ILC. She said yes, so I said ok let's do it. After three cycles of taxol I had complete metabolic response and TMs back to normal range, then we did two more taxol cycles, then started the aromatase inhibitor--a few weeks of aromasin and then Ibrance got approved so I switched to Ibrance + letrozole. Still maintaining. I'm on my 15th cycle, I think.
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Shetland, I find that information very interesting and hopeful. Since I too am ILC and HER - I often think it shrinks my options. I plan to ask my Onc about Taxol when the time is right.
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I just wanted to share with you the other exciting breast cancer symposium occurring in Pittsburgh in early September. Rachel Jankowitz, MD (Pitt); will be presenting her trial of endocrine response in women with invasive lobular carcinoma here as well.
https://upci.upmc.edu/wcrc/greatLakes/agenda.cfm
Needless to say, I'm extremely proud of our researchers and excited for you to meet them. Heather
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For patient survivors attending the ILC Symposium, below are links to a few local spots varying in price but all close to the area of the symposium. If anyone is interested in having dinner together following the Q&A and given the response, I will make a reservations as needed. There are numerous restaurants in the area and downtown, Lawrenceville and Mt Washington areas however transportation would be necessary. Heather
http://brgrpgh.com/
http://dinette-pgh.com/
http://www.spoonpgh.com/eat.php
http://www.paris66bistro.com/#!french-restaurant-menu/c131n
http://www.primantibros.com/Heather
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I need to clarify the scholarship opportunities as we have had a number of individuals inquire about them. We have limited funds and a limited number of scholarships available. We will be finalizing the details this week.
I apologize for any misrepresentation on this.
Thank you, in advance for your patience and understanding.
Sincerely. Heather Hillier -
ShetlandPony, thank you for the links to the papers. I am not a scientist but have read so many papers over the last few years that I can generally grasp the biggest takeaways from them. In the first nature paper, I was struck by the authors' references to limited available quality ILC cell lines.
So a question for the conference: what is/can be done to acquire those cell lines?
(Personal editorial comment: and why the h*ll aren't these available/why haven't the been?)
I also am very glad to read that you have been taken to NED status by taxol, and that you remain there via other drugs. I had taxotere with A and C. Instant and permanent menopause for me, too.
hmh23, thank you for all your good work. I've coordinated several conferences and I know how much work they are. I also appreciate the tip about Dr. Jankowitz's presentation.
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If you are interested in participating in the Faces of ILC booklet to be given to all attendees at the 1st International Invasive Lobular Breast Cancer Symposium, please email be at hmhillier23@gmail.com
I will send everyone the questionnaire and ask that you complete and submit by September 1, 2016.
Please know that you can submit a photo of yourself or an image that represents you. You can also use your full name, first name, or a nickname.
Thank you, I look forward to hearing from everyone. Sincerely, Heather
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Hi Heather,
I love reading about the preparations for the symposium! I have one sort of big picture question. There are lots of existing databases on women with breast cancer, such as SEER discussed recently in this article
http://www.nature.com/articles/npjbcancer201617#t1
I read through these article and zero in on the table of descriptive statistics. Rarely are the data separated IDC vs ILC. Researchers differentiate between tunor size, grade, age of patient, node status, race, but not IDC v ILC. I would think that this information is just sitting in the databases and waiting to be mined. Or do the researchers not segregate the data along IDC v ILC because there are no meaningful differences? (I think we are learning that is not the case, but why has it taken so long?)
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I agree that this issue needs to be clarified. I have heard many times that there is a definite difference. But then I ask my Onc who says "no difference in treatment". I REALLY would like a definitive answer of course.....
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Dear Jojo,
In the past researchers thought they were the same and only in recent years have people come to realize they are actually biological and clinical differences. Hopefully the symposium will significantly contribute to learning more about our disease with a goal in mind of developing ILC -specific treatments.
As to why it has taken so long, I believe there are a number of reasons including funding, technology to mine genomic differences. lack of models etc. I know when I had my mastectomy (Feb2010) done I was asked to contribute a sample to our lab for ongoing ILC research projects and I believe we were fairly progressive at that time.
I'm so excited about the researchers and clinicians.that are attending. The response has been amazing. I hope I've answered your questions. Sincerely. Heather
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John, In reply to your earlier question, "Can the ILC research community tap into the tissue being collected by the MBCproject (Broad Institute / Dana-Farber research initiative)?", Otto Metzger from Dana Farber, a leading ILC researcher is co-chairing the event and I think it might be worthwhile to approach him on just this topic.
We are hoping that all patient survivors and co-survivors will feel free to approach the researchers and clinicians attending the symposium with any and all questions. This is our chance to have our faces seen and our voices heard.
I can't thank you enough for starting this board before I even got an opportunity to do so. The response has been amazing and we've had 12 patients/advocates already register. This board has proven to be a driving force in getting the word out and securing the registrants.
Thank you, Heather
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just curious, but how are tissues made available for research? I had a fairly large ILC tumor (5X4 cm) that, as far as I know, is just sitting there in the pathology lab archives. Is this tissue automatically deposited into a tissue bank for research or do I have to ask for this? Is the tissue still mine to do with as I see fit or does it now belong to the pathology lab? I know that some of the tissue will need to be reserved in case tests such as the BCI are needed to guide my treatment in the future, but it seems that it's big enough I should be able to donate some to research.
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Grandma3x, I can't answer those questions but I think you should contact your surgical oncologist and ask him/her for the answers. I know my tissue was donated to research as I was asked to do prior to surgery. The following year while touring the lab I met a young researcher who was researching ILC and he told me there was a good chance that he had used some of my tumor in his studies although given the HEPA laws he wouldn't know for sure.
Sorry can't help more. Heather
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I have a question about measuring ILC. ILC tends to grow in strings/streaks because the cells don't clump together. So imagine a 1 cm ILC tumor compared to a 1 cm IDC tumor. Wouldn't the ILC tumor be comprised of far fewer cells (less mass) than the IDC tumor? We often hear of women with very large ILC tumors 5+ cm, but wouldn't an IDC 5+ cm tumor have much larger mass, indicating much more cancer? Should ILC and IDC be using the same staging system based on measurement of the largest dimension? I realize that measuring the mass of the tumor may not be practical because of surrounding tissue, but simply measuring the longest dimension seems to be a very crude measurement of the amount of cancer.
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jojo - I've wondered that myself.
When I had my lumpectomy, my BS removed tissue that resembled a "cutlet" rather than a lump. Wide and tall but not deep. I wasn't sure how BS figured out exactly how the 'sheet' of ILC was positioned but I guess that's what imaging is for. The good news is BS got good margins on the first try. Closest margin was 5mm. other margins were much bigger. I wondered if only one 'thread' of the ILC grew longer than the rest. Dunno
I'll be interested in hearing if anyone has a more official answer to your great question.
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I am so tired of always being worried about mets/recurrence not being caught because I don't trust all the medical staff to know how different ILC can show. I get imaging done, am told it's clear, but still worry because I don't trust it! It's causing me so much anxiety. I hope I get to go to the symposium and ask about this.
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My opinion is the understanding of Lobular cancer is so limited, that we don't really know how to gage risk. Makes sense to me that far fewer cells would be involved in the same size tumor.
Perhaps we need to ask what makes Cancer lethal to the body. Lobular often recurrs much later than Ductal, so do the cells continue to grow, but don't affect organs and other bodily functions in their single line pattern? Or only when there's a large amount of the cancer?
I'm not confident in treatment. The best research is so new that many Oncologists aren't up on it. The new info on subtypes isn't part of treatment yet. However, those at the forefront of research are finding major differences between other breast cancers, and within Lobular patients too.
If your MO treats many types of Cancer, you likely know more than them, and may be pressured into standard Ductal cancer treatment.
That's what's so exciting about this conference. It's recognized we Lobular patients are different and need more customized treatment.
Hope I can go. My hip was replaced from the back (not the fast healing frontal approach, as too risky for me) 3 months ago, so some days are good, others not so much. We discussed distance participation or making papers available. Any new news on getting info to people unable to attend?
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Msparki, what similarity with our diagnoses! Feel like mine could easily have become identical to yours. Diagnosis was two weeks before turning 52.
Yours - "Largest tumor was ILC 1.8 cm, no positive nodes, Stage IC, grade 2, ER+ PR+ HER2 neu negative. Tumors were ILC, LCIS, DCIS, IDC, and invasive tubulobular. Did not require chemo or radiation. "
Mine - Tumor was PILC 1.8cm, 0/2 nodes, Stage 1, grade 2, ER/PR+ HR2nu-. Five other spots found during Ultrasound turned out to be ALH and ADH on the same breast as the ILC. Other breast had ADH and PASH. No chemo or radiation necessary either.
In February I'll be Five years out from the BMX.
Sally
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Leslie, We are working on formatting and providing an update 'post' symposium. This will take some time given the number of presentations as well as the Q&A and advocacy session. We will try our best to get as much info up as possible. We cannot guarantee all presentations will be made public. As soon as it goes online, I will post it. Heather
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You're amazing, Heather. On behalf of all of us with ILC histories, we're very grateful for the valuable information you've provided and will provide.
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