Anyone using Medical Cannabis for Symptom Relief?

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Anyone using Medical Cannabis for Symptom Relief?

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  • Lita57
    Lita57 Member Posts: 2,437
    edited August 2016

    Fortunately, I live in one of the states where medical marijuana (or medical cannabis) is legal. Anyone else out there using it for their Stage IV cancer?

    It helps me with nausea. I'm going to see a med. can. specialist next Monday for more help with dosing. Right now, I'm only taking about 10 mgs of tincture on some days, and other days I'm using about 7.5 to 10 mgs of chocolate edibles. It helps with deep bone pain, too, since the Norco (hydrocodone) they prescribed wasn't helping with that. I'm now off the Norco (had a teensy bit of withdrawal even tho I was only on two pills a day - the W/D affected my sleep). Note to the wise: If you're deciding on going off an opioid, taper off GRADUALLY. I HAD to go off the Norco after a while since it tripled my ALT liver readings (they are supposed to be in the 30s - mine were in the 90s!)

    Blessings...

  • Meadow
    Meadow Member Posts: 2,007
    edited August 2016

    Lita ,I am glad you are finding relief with cannabis. I do not live in a state with legal medical marijuana, and I have not had the need yet to go there...but, I would not hesitate to do so if I needed it and it was available. Thank you for information sharing, and I hope you get other responses soon. My best to you!

  • cive
    cive Member Posts: 709
    edited August 2016

    I live in a MM state and have been card carrying for a couple years. It relaxes me and is better for me than alcohol. Pretty much once you see the doctor - in my state there are special places you must go and your insurance won't pay, and tell them you have stage iv cancer, automatic approval. So that's how you do it in CA.

  • Lita57
    Lita57 Member Posts: 2,437
    edited August 2016

    Thanks for the reply, Cive. I live in CA and I had no problem getting my license either. I had to show them my records and it was a piece of cake. You do have to pay cash, and yes, no insurance coverage. Bummer!

  • NineTwelve
    NineTwelve Member Posts: 569
    edited August 2016

    I got my MM card two years ago, when I was diagnosed. It is the best for helping me fall asleep. My dosage is about the same as yours, Lita, and I only use in the evenings after work. I wouldn't want to try being outside and trying to function on it.

    My pain has not been very bad yet, but I am encouraged by the stats that say patients who use marijuana medicinally are much less likely to need opioids for pain control.

    When my cancer progressed, after a year of being stable, I quit drinking beer, and the MM helps me not miss it so much. : (

    Insurance doesn't cover it in Oregon, either, but it's pretty cheap here.

  • Meadow
    Meadow Member Posts: 2,007
    edited August 2016

    So ladies, forgive my ignorance, but is medical marijuana the same as ordinary marijuana? Do you smoke it? or does it come in a capsule? Big learning curve here!

  • Lita57
    Lita57 Member Posts: 2,437
    edited August 2016

    NineTwelve: I used to enjoy a glass or two of Chardonnay, but I stopped as soon as I was diagnosed. Strangely enough, I haven't really missed it at all. The MMJ really doesn't help me sleep...I've always had my battles w/insomnia every since I entered pre-menopause in my 40s. The cancer and the Tx can bring on insomnia too. My MMJ helps with pain, and I only use it in the evenings like you - an hour or two before bedtime.

    Meadow: Yes, MMJ is more refined than regular MJ because you have to know what strain your getting and whether it's higher in CBDs or THC. My MMJ specialist recommends that I use the Indica strain rather than the Sativa strain. They both affect you differently. Sativa has more THC and makes me anxious and paranoid (as it does to a lot of people). Indica is better for pain control and relaxing and has more cannabinoids (CBDs). Cancer patients are also supposed to use a strain that has more CBDs as opposed to THC (THC makes you high, and CBD does not). I don't smoke it...I use tincture and edibles, as I said. I may try "vaping" with a pen, because it's supposed to get into your system faster, and therefore better for pain control. Hope this helps :o).

    L

  • Lita57
    Lita57 Member Posts: 2,437
    edited August 2016

    Well, I finally got my dosing instructions from the Onco NP specializing in medical cannabis today. She wants me to work my way gradually up to 200mg of CBD and 50 mg of THCa per day.

    THAT'S A LOT OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA TO CONSUME IN ONE DAY! (Anything over 50 mgs is considered a lot.)

    For criminy sakes, that's practically an entire bottle of tincture (they usually come in bottles of 300 mg), and at $75 to $90 a pop, that comes to $2,250 per month, if you're spending $75 a day. I can't even see myself doing HALF that every day. I'm on disability, and it doesn't pay what I'm used to netting each month, and when my State disability runs out, I'll have to file for Soc Sec disability which will be HALF of what I'm getting from the State. So how the heck am I supposed to pay for this?

    Alternative medicine ain't cheap.

    What are other people doing?

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited August 2016

    Alternative medicine ain't cheap.

    I have a NM MM card but as I understand it the curative dose is 1g (1000mgs) per day over a 60 day period. In addition, you work up to that over a month. In NM that is $3K to $4K. You are potentially stoned much of the time. I've weighed MM against other options, alternative and standard, and chosen a different protocol. For now.

    MM is maybe an option for the future.

    >Z<

  • artistatheart
    artistatheart Member Posts: 2,176
    edited August 2016

    Soon it will be like any other pharmaceutical, too expensive for regular patients.

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited August 2016

    Hi Lita,

    I'm in the SF Bay Area too & have a MM referral, but I've not found any MM medications that do the trick for me, so I forget about them, so I can't comment on that.

    Nor can I speak to the affordability of alternatives, as family & friends have assisted me in times of need and I try to keep costs down.

    Lita, please read this topic - at least skim it. I believe you'll want to apply for SSDI sooner than later and use your SDI disability date as your SSDI disability date too.

    How Many Stage 4 Girls are getting SS disability..

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topics/...

    It's really important to get the dates and details down before they knock you down when least needed/wanted.

    Sending a warm, healing hug, Lita, Stephanie

  • Lita57
    Lita57 Member Posts: 2,437
    edited August 2016

    Lonterm...yep, already applied for SS disability. Everybody said DON'T WAIT because it can take months. I still have State disability for a few more months.

  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Member Posts: 3,061
    edited August 2016

    I use the CBD tincture and 7-8 drops for nausea relief. I find it works really well. I use zofran when it doesn't and sometimes both. I have the mint and citrus flavored CBD tincture- drops under the tongue. I bought mine for 30 on sale but they are usually 75 here in a bigger bottle. I have not tried the edibles. I use oxy for pain control.

  • seagan
    seagan Member Posts: 166
    edited August 2016

    The main thing MM has helped me with is sleep - I take a mostly THC capsule for that each night and it's helped me more than anything else. I also have capsules with a 1:1 THC-CBD blend, and take that in the early evening in hopes it might be helpful for the cancer itself (there is tantalizing but still-early research suggesting CBD might inhibit cancer but, frustratingly, researchers have a tough time learning more because of the restrictions on even medical cannabis). Finally, I also have the two blends in vape form, which kicks in more quickly (though kicks out more quickly too) and seems to help best with nausea and headaches.

    I haven't found MM to take away pain altogether, but it does seem to take my mind off it somehow. It's hard to explain, and I wonder if I took a stronger dose if it would help more. Thankfully I'm in a fairly pain-free time right now, but will experiment when pain returns.

    In the meantime I'm thankful to be a state where at least MM is legal - though only in three forms (capsules, vape oil and tinctures) and two components (CBD and THC). I'm also glad to have an onc and a palliative care team that fully support using it, especially as an alternative to opiates and to help with nausea and appetite. I do hope more research can happen soon, though, so we have more guidance about which forms to take and how much. It very much feels like trial and error right now.

  • Mel26
    Mel26 Member Posts: 67
    edited August 2016

    Lita,

    You can collect SDI and SSDI at the same time. SSDI kicks in 5 months from the date you were first diagnosed. They retro the money back to that date if you have passed it.

    I found out late in the game, and got a nice retro check. Also, they will expedite your claim if you are stage IV.

    Best of luck, Melanie



  • awilson
    awilson Member Posts: 25
    edited August 2016

    hi Lita57. I too take medical marijuana in oil form and have been since dx with mbc to multiple areas in the bones. I have deep bone pain also and yes, I find that the med marijuana helps a lot. I was dx last April but had mets for sometime but didn't know it. I take a rice size about 5 times a day and keep adding more on the days where it doesn't effect me as much. If any of you ladies are thinking about taking the oil, it works really well once you buildup a tolerance to it.

  • Lita57
    Lita57 Member Posts: 2,437
    edited August 2016

    Awilson - the MMJ onco nurse is going to bump me up to oil after I build up more of a tolerance to tincture.

    Mel26 - just got a letter from SSDI, and I've been accepted! My first check will arrive in Nov (taking the 5 mos into consideration). I have a couple of friends who've been denied SSDI several times (NOT for cancer - they have other issues), and have really had to fight for it. When you're on "death row" with St IV, the SSDI board pretty much automatically coughs it up for you. But I would trade back all the SDI & SSDI $$ to be totally RID of this terrible disease!!

    L

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