Can we have a forum for "older" people with bc?

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  • bonnets
    bonnets Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2016

    Sandra, thanks for catching us up on Mikes progress. Glad things are going well for him at MD. My daughter went there to try and get in on a trial , but was refused as she had had too many chemo's. Hopefully the 4 weeks will pass quicker than you think.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    Sandra, I too am pleased that some progress is being made and it is mainly positive. I do hope you can take a couple of days off -- though it is only a month you have had a lot on your plate --- and basically can do so little at this point. A little respite would be good. Hopefully that can work out. I'm sure all here will continue with prayers, healing thoughts and energies and a universe full of hope.

    Jackie

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited August 2016

    Glad things are looking up for Mike and that Ryan seems to be stable!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    When you commit yourself to living love,
    you feel at peace with yourself because
    you are at harmony with the flow of life.
    Viewing life from the highest perspective,
    you feel confident and secure.You
    realize that no matter how things may
    appear, you are loved and protected.
    You know you are one with God, and
    you bring your peace with you wherever
    you go. You're not looking for love,
    but for opportunities to love.



    Susan L. Taylor

  • carolehalston
    carolehalston Member Posts: 6,887
    edited August 2016

    Hello to every, including (or especially!) newcomers. I just caught up on posts. At home I have a morning routine that includes opening up the lap top and checking e-mail, bc.org, and Facebook but here in MN I can go for days without any computer time. Part of the reason is a word game on my smart phone. I have become addicted to Word Brain. It's a free download so check it out if you like games like scrabble.

    We're having a rainy week. Two inches during the last couple of days, according to my neighbor's rain gauge. It's a bit humid but the temperature is nice, in the 70's.

    Yesterday we drove up to Bemidji to buy a few things at Menard's. We have a Walmart in Park Rapids but no big box stores. Before we left, we stopped at an ice cream place that serves really delicious ice cream.

    Wishing all a great Thursday.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    That ice cream sounds so good right now. We are having awful humidity today and we had to have the plumbers out to work on the septic and try to bore open the lines --- one is being VERY sticky. Even though I'm not a plumber and never plan to be one --- dumb me. I feel so bad for them having to be out in this kind of weather that I go out and stay with them. Really soaked when I got back in --- but the a/c felt like I was in a fridge with all the sweat on me. We keep it at 78 in here. It can get a bit cool in the late afternoon inside with all the shade we are in.

    We might have some rain in a day to two. When it is like this I don't really mind so much as it will cool nicely for a bit. On to other internet chores.

    Happy Thursday from me.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited August 2016

    I had some Ciao Bella dark chocolate gelato last night--tough to scoop (was wondering if I should’ve worn my sleeve), but very deep and dark and not as sweet as Talenti’s double dark chocolate. Been guzzling seltzer over ice. Just had some tuna salad over diced tomato, cucumber, and avocado. Still hot. Might go after the cherries in the fridge to keep me away from more gelato. Today is Chicago’s hottest day of the year. Even our A/C is groaning.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    Gelato=more heaven

    Smile

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    Never be in a hurry; do everything quietly and in a calm spirit.
    Do not lose your inner peace for anything whatsoever,
    even if your whole world seems upset.
    - Saint Francis de Sales

  • DaraB
    DaraB Member Posts: 945
    edited August 2016

    And dark chocolate gelato=yummy heaven!

  • Anneb1149
    Anneb1149 Member Posts: 960
    edited August 2016

    Hi,

    Just checking in. I am back in Fl. It is hot, but so was GA. The upstairs A/C at my daughter's house in GA conked out last Sat. They called the guy they have been using since they bought the house. They have replaced both units costing (me) about $12,000. This upstairs one was replaced just over (6 weeks over) the 2 year mark. Just long enough that warranty doesn't cover labor. Guy came out, was there for a while, then told Scott the compressor and something else major would have to be replaced. The parts were covered by warranty, but labor would be about $500. He said he would call the next day to schedule the repair. When it got to about four the next day, and he hadn't called, Scott texted him. His reply was " I am not going to fix it. Please don't call me again" Huh? We have no idea what happened. Scott is very laid back, never raises his voice and thought he and this guy had a friendly relationship. Now what do they do? They called another company to come out. That night, Nancy was so hot she slept with me- I was fine because my bedroom is downstairs. The only time they could send someone the next day was between 12-2. That's the day I was flying home. Guess what time I had to be to the airport- between 1-1:30. I ended up at the airport at 11:45 so Scott could be home by 12. Nancy ended up arguing with someone over repair or replaced and she got so frustrated she said " you. Better not mess with a menopausal maniac that hAsnt slept since Sat.

    Then I get home to find out that my DD who lives in the warehouse has no air either. They are using fans, but they are just moving hot air around They have no fresh air coming in at all. Normally, the landlord would take care of the A/C, but her husband signed a lease saying they would be responsible to keep costs down. They all just came in to cool off, so I will sign off for now.

    Prayers for Sandra, Mike and Ryan. On FB last night she said she was on the way home because Ryan was having some sort of crisis.

    Anne

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited August 2016

    No sooner had I posted that things seemed ok with Ryan, than he called and said he didn't think he could make it another few hours and needed to die. He didn't want to go to the hospital. Mike and I both talked to him and got him to take some Xanex and try to sleep until I could get there. Thankfully there were only a few minor freeway traffic tie-ups in Houston so it only took me 40 minutes to get 20 miles to I-10 from the Medical Center. After that it was fine and I was able to cover another 189 miles in 3 hours.

    Ryan was in despair when I got home but responded quickly to me being there and gently supporting him. Unfortunately Mike and I have had many years of dealing with a mentally ill child and it's no different now that he is a bi-polar, suicidal depressive 31 year old alcoholic. He cycled from deep depression and tears to talking fast and loud the rest of the day. By 1:30 a.m. last night everything was ok and I was able to go to bed. I'll stay here in San Antonio for a few days and hope to talk him into going back to the behavioral health hospital. If that doesn't work, I'll bring him back to Houston with me. Maybe seeing his father, even though it will be through a window, will make him feel better. I'll ask a friend to feed the cats and water the plants...or the plants that are still alive. Ryan watered sporadically. The lawn shows large dead circles everywhere and about a third of the plants didn't get watered at all it seems. The house was a mess with empty wine bottles everywhere. Ryan kept apologizing and crying. He did the best he could. At least the cats are happy and fed. In the past, he's done fine during most of our trips away but this time, with the worry over his father, it was just too much.

    Mike is relieved that I'm here taking care of Ryan, but sounds weak and very tired. I wish I could clone myself and be there too.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited August 2016

    Sandra, so sorry what you & Mike are going through with Ryan. It's difficult enough to have an adult child with medically-controlled depression, and Bob & I agonize what will happen to him once we're gone: he is dyspraxic and has neither household nor employable skills beyond his improv, acting and writing talent--the products of which the marketplace increasingly expects to consume free of charge these days. Every disappointment now is like a blow to my own soul now and ever since he was little I've harbored a fear that he is only on loan to us from the universe. At least Gordy willingly takes his meds and has his art, sense of humor and passion for spectator sports & music to give him a reason to get out of bed (however late in the day that may be). I can't imagine what it must be like to add bipolarity and substance abuse to the mix. Make permanent room in your pocket for me in that regard.

  • DaraB
    DaraB Member Posts: 945
    edited August 2016

    Sandra, it must be so heartbreaking to see your child in such pain. My SIL has battled with depression since a child, and while she has a good job, owns a condo, etc., there have been cycles of ups and downs. It's a terrible feeling to think you just can't climb out of the darkness. I hope Ryan is able to get the help to maintain, both for himself and also for you and Mike. Sandy, our children never stop being our children, do they, no matter what their age or circumstances. I'll be thinking good thoughts for all out there with mental health challenges.

    And heat really just exacerbates all the stress! We're heading into about a week of triple digits with heat. We have air, but if it goes out, there's always a backlog to get a repairman out. Take care all...

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Member Posts: 2,913
    edited August 2016

    ChiSandy and Dara, I appreciate your supportive words. Not only do they test our patience like stubborn 2 year olds, our mentally ill adult children are able to touch every other emotion we are capable of feeling...sometimes all within the same day.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    Come from the heart, the true heart, not the head. When in doubt, choose the heart. This does not mean to deny your own experiences and that which you have empirically learned through the years. It means to trust your self to integrate intuition and experience. There is a balance, a harmony to be nurtured, between the head and the heart. When the intuition rings clear and true, loving impulses are favored. -Brian L. Weiss

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    As all the others have said, it is hard to have a well-grown son or daughter that has such mental issues that they need our help nearly as much as when they were on the way to adulthood. I've learned not to blame myself or feel in-adequate that I can't change anything for the better. It is sometimes a tiresome aspect to feel like there should be something if you could just find it. All doors have keys it seems --- so I fall back on feeling that both of us, the child, and us the parents, are growing our souls through challenges and that this, for both of us, is one of them. We may not know the answer, but God does and when all else fails, I rely on God.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    Listen for my stories in the whispers of the wind.
    Listen to the truth in the gurgling of a mountain brook.
    Nature remembers the truth. Be still and listen.
    Listen to your heart's guidance.
    - Susan Gregg

  • Anneb1149
    Anneb1149 Member Posts: 960
    edited August 2016

    Hi all,

    I just got home from Ga Wed evening and I'm headed out again on Thurs. I am going to NY to be with my brother and the rest of the family. Our younger brother will be driving up from NC next Mon. There hasn't been any major changes, but he is sleeping more and eating less. I had sent his wife a message, saying that my brother and I wanted to go up ASAP when we originally heard he was headed to Hospice. But his wife said he knew we were coming up in the fall, after their son and his family went back home to Germany and she thought that us coming sooner would upset Bill, so we waited. But then I thought it would make sense to go up while their son was there, I've never met his wife or kids and asked if she was okay with that. I never heard back. So I sent another message on Thurs to his daughter. She responded and said we are welcome whenever we want. She apologized for her Mom not responding to the original message. She intended too but.... I told her I knew how stressful their situation , but the reason I'm goingwas, and knew from experience that some days you have trouble remembering to brush your teeth, much less answer your emails.

    When I told my sister I was coming, she sent me a picture of my brother taken within the past week. I am so glad she did. He looks awful, thin, old, frail. The most recent picture I had of him was 2 years ago, and you would never guess that it is the same person. Without her picture, I would have walked into Hospice, my jaw would have hit the floor and I would be a sobbing mess. At least I will be able to keep my face neutral, I hope. I will be staying with my sister, but am not looking forward to that. She doesn't believe in A/C, even if though her apartment has it. She only uses it when the humidity is very high. I am a FL girl who uses the air all the time except for when we need to put the heat on, which happens maybe a couple of days every 3 years or so. She still hasn't told me about her trip to Disney World in May yet, and has been in a very prickly mood since then. My cousin/older sister tried to tell Margie it would be easier for me to stay with her, because she actually has a spare room, and because of her asthma, she runs the air conditioner. At my sisters, I get the bedroom and she sleeps on a pullout couch. Margie wasn't having any of that, so vehemently that my cousin said she hopes to see me when I'm there. I said I will see her if I have to rent a car to get to her. That won't happen, because my sister doesn't let me out of her sight when I am there- she is afraid that we will talk about her behind her back. Little does she know that we exhausted that topic years ago and we all know she is what she is and she is not going to change.

    I only bought a one way ticket. Not sure if I will drive partway back with my brother, stay longer than him, or fly back in two weeks. I am thankful that I have the freedom to not make a binding decision right now. If I feel my presence is helpful, I'll stay longer. If I am just sitting at my sister's house, sweating to death, I'll head out sooner. I am glad I am going to be with my family at this time, but not happy about the circumstances or accommodations.

    Anne

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    Anne, that does sound like it will be a little rough for you. Good though that you are accomplishing getting to see your brother. At least then no regrets for that. Too bad your sister couldn't be a bit more generous with you --- and she must realize that she HAS some real deficiencies elsewise she wouldn't be sure anyone would say things about her that she would find un-pleasant or feel were un-truthful.

    Most of us know what we are and learn to live with it --- and likely accept that others may "see" us in a less than great light. Ah, we are all such unique individuals, aren't we !!!! Well, through each and everyone we learn something and it all helps us in some way or other --- even when it may be hard to be around at times. I learned much from a sister who just hated me because --- I never really discovered much of a reason ever. Forgive me for saying it, but I can't say I was totally torn when she passed away shortly after we moved back home here. Yet --- I learned so much of what I did not want to be ---- so to everything that happens, there are lessons, and things to discover, and as well --- others may watch how you handle things and make decisions of how they might feel or wish to be. Even my sister's husband said to his now wife that he thought I was just the sweetest person.

    Well, I'd like to say what did he know, but even though he sincerely loved my sister --- he wasn't blind to her behaviors. I thought he was an absolute saint for many of the things she did to him.

    Long story Anne, but just how things can go and I hope it all comes out okay for you.

    Jackie

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    I promise to keep on living as though I expected to live forever. Nobody grows old by merely living a number of years.People grow old only by deserting their ideals.Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up interest wrinkles the soul. -Douglas MacArthur

  • DaraB
    DaraB Member Posts: 945
    edited August 2016

    Good Luck Anne. I"m sure this trip will be very difficult. Thinking of you and your family.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    We have been accustomed to thinking that we have to get something
    from outside us in order to be happy, but in truth it works the other way:
    we must learn to contact our inner source of happiness and satisfaction
    and flow it outward to share with others--not because it is virtuous
    to do so, but because it really feels good.
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    Shakti Gawain

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    (((((Anne)))))

    Today, well hmmm. Several super pour downs yesterday along with the rain that fell all night long beforehand. It also rained all night long last night. Our water table --- the forecast is sort of mushy ground all over the place and even parts of lawns with a bit of standing water. This is not the kind of crispy, dry Augusts we normally have. Anyway ---- not sure what we will get today. Though I was glad of some rain --- as usual when it rains it pours and we have had enough for awhile but could get more. We will just have to see how it goes.

    Otherwise life continues. Did hear some bad news last night. I have a cousin, a little older than me that has terminal liver cancer. Her brother passed away about 5 yrs. ago form Esophageal cancer, and the oldest sister died of cancer as well. Lately ( as I'm sure so often happens ) with the dx. itself becoming so prominent --- there is now a 'family' history building up. When I was dx-ed. I really couldn't point to anyone in my family for sure -- and now that has changed --- in just the space of a few years. Since my Dad, Mom, and Sister have all passed --- I have no one in the immediate family -- there was just the four of us, but so many cousins etc. now.

    Anyway, my cousin was a very sweet, loving, caring woman who raised her family, then went to school and became a nurse until retirement a few yrs. back. She did not have 'bad' habits so it is just one of those things. Sure hated to hear it though. We don't pick and choose ( as though a reminder is needed ) but the storms come when they will and it is for us to deal with those challenges as best we can.


  • shuf
    shuf Member Posts: 94
    edited August 2016

    hi guys just thinking of everyone. God be with the ones that are dealing with tragedy and grief. 😢 shuf

  • DaraB
    DaraB Member Posts: 945
    edited August 2016

    Jackie, so sorry about your cousin. I guess as we get older, the numbers of those we know with cancer certainly creeps up. My husband just spoke with a close friend from high school last night. He mentioned my dx and his friend told him he goes in on the 23rd for surgery for throat cancer. Of the 5 close friends, 1 has already passed with cancer (he was in Vietnam and they think his cancer was linked to Agent Orange, and another died of an aneurism. We all just have to stay diligent and safeguard our health.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited August 2016

    Looking back, cancer has touched quite a few folks in my life: my best buddy in law school (who’d been a combat medic in ‘Nam) died at only 31 of ALL when he was about to leave Ft. Huachuca for JAG school at the Presidio; another law school buddy has had both melanoma on his arm and a squamous cell carcinoma on his forehead. A dear friend, who’d been a radio news producer and auto-racing commentator, was also a lifelong smoker. She and her doctor had thought that radiation had cured her throat cancer, but a routine CT scan showed mets to her liver and lungs, and she passed at only 53. Yet another friend who worked her way up from an OB LPN to an assistant professor of nursing had smoked for 15 years and given it up for another 15 before developing lung cancer--she passed away at only 46. A friend has just celebrated 4 years NED from non-small-cell lung cancer (but only grudgingly has switched from cigarettes to a nicotine patch). He had a lobe resected and had to have neoadjuvant chemo & rads in order to shrink the remaining part of the tumor to operable size; instead, he had PCR and there’s no tumor left to have to remove. My dad’s sister (a heavy smoker & drinker) died of esophageal cancer at 64; his half-sister died of liver & gall bladder mets from melanoma at 77.

    And my mom had smoked for 50 years before giving it up at 65. Her lungs never fully recovered, and 20 years after quitting her COPD gave her congestive heart failure. A CT scan for a bad productive cough that landed her in the hospital showed a “6cm lesion, highly suspicious for malignancy” in her lung but she refused biopsy--at 84, she asked “what for? I’m almost 85 and my heart & lungs are shot anyway.” She also was diagnosed with MRSA in the other lung--treated successfully with IV vancomycin--went on home hospice, was discharged 6 months later when she was declared no longer terminal. But a month after that, she relapsed and died.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2016

    Humankind has not woven the thread of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.

    - Chief Seattle -

  • Anneb1149
    Anneb1149 Member Posts: 960
    edited August 2016

    Hi everyone,

    Thanks for the encouraging thoughts. But it makes me SO angry that hey found a way to treat AIDS within 10 years of the first outbreak- they still can't cure cancer? It's all about money. On Facebook, I saw a Dr saying that ONC's get a share of what the chemo costs. It's Facebook, so it may or may not be true, but still...

    I should say I am very glad about the progress on AIDS, it's just an example.

    My niece sent me a message last night saying my brother took a significant turn for the worst Mon. He is sleeping a lot and has taken pain meds for the first time. She said he also said he doesn't want anymore visitors. I am not sure if that means friends or if it includes us. I plan to go there at least once, regardless.

    And the wax in my ears has built up, so much, I finally went to the Dr yesterday. It started in Ga, and my right ear popped all the way home. The flight to NY is almost double the length than Ga, so I wanted to clear it up before I fly again. The used 3 Windex size bottles of hot water and still didn't get a lot of it. But, while I was just dealing with the popping before I went, my right ear is muffled and I can't hear out of the left one at all now. I am using Debrox drops twice a day.

    I have promised Vctoria I would take her school shopping this week, and need to get me some tops, but I would rather just go back to bed and shut the world away. With the bad news about my brother, the stress of staying at my sister's in Aug, my ears and needing to go shopping, I am a total mess.

    Thanks for listening

    Anne

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited August 2016

    I hear your frustration about AIDS & cancer research, Anne. But while AIDS is caused by a single virus, cancer in general (and bc specifically) is a giant bushel basket of different diseases with different etiologies, the only common factors being out-of-control cell division and potential to spread.

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