Does this normally happen before starting chemo?
Hi everyone,
My tumor was 9mm, stage 1a, 0/3 lymph nodes. My BS was confident that I wouldn't need chemo, even though my tumor is grade 3. My ki67 was 88% and my oncotype came back at 52. My MO said my tumor is very "nasty" and "ugly" even though it's so small. He said I need chemo. He said he was sure my BS was going to be shocked by that.He has ordered a PET scan, MUGA scan, CT scan and a port. Is it normal to have this many tests done before chemo? If my lymph nodes were negative then why do I need a PET scan? It's really starting to play games with my mind. I've gone from thinking this was pretty cut and dried to now needing all these extensive tests and chemo. I'm worried that my MO suspects the cancer may be somewhere else too. But how is that possible if my nodes were clear?
Thanks for your help. Just feeling really scared right now.
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Hi!
First of all, I'm sorry that your oncologist has made you feel more uncertain about your future. ((Hugs))
With respect to the PET scan... Yes, your nodes are clear, but, alas, that doesn't mean that your cancer hasn't spread. Cancer cells can break off and travel through BOTH your lymph system and your bloodstream. So, cancer cells can be anywhere in your body right now. Your doctor obviously thinks that you have an aggressive cancer (high oncotype); a PET scan and a CT scan will let him see if you are Stage IV. If you are stage IV, your doctor may recommend a different treatment plan.
You are getting a MUGA because you are slated to get AC. Adriamycin can affect your heart, so your MO wants a baseline scan. At some point, you will probably get another MUGA to make sure that the Adriamycin isn't damaging your heart. If it is, chemo will be stopped.
My MO won't give AC without a port since AC can periodically cause problems if injected into veins. That is why you are getting a port.
I pretty much had the same work-up before beginning chemo. What you're undergoing is not unusual.
Be kind to yourself; no one really enjoys chemo, but many women here have made it through treatment. Also, if you still wonder about whether or not chemo is warranted, get a second opinion.
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djm, so sorry to hear about the sudden "turn of events" related to your treatment. Something similar happened to me when my Oncotype score came back at 42. What was once "you could do 4 rounds of Taxotere and Cytoxan, but it's your choice" became "you're going to need AC-T" - with all the associated testing and port placement you described. It happened quick, and was a little scary. As ElaineTherese explained so eloquently, that Oncotype score sometimes changes everything, but it really helps inform the best course of treatment for our more aggressive types of cancer. She had good advice - be kind and gentle with yourself right now, and keep breathing.
*hugs* to you during this really tough time.
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Thank you ladies so much for your help. I feel so much anxiety about all of this but y'all letting me know it's normal at least to have this flurry of tests makes me feel better about it. I'm glad he's being thorough. I'd rather know than not know if it has spread. I just lost my mom last year to this ugly monster of a disease.
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Hi djm71 - I'm not stage 1,but I think your onc is doing the right thing by ordering a pet/ct scan. I had one because I had one stupid lymph node positive. I was scared to death to do the pet/ct scan and waiting for the results just about pushed me over the edge. It all came back fine - found out a few things I didn't need to know lol. So I think your onc is being aggressive in his care for you. That's how my onc is. In the beginning I wasn't thrilled, but now I am. Even though I'm 2 years out she follows me like a hawk and will see me at anytime. If I have a concern she'll order a test. Really glad your onc is being assertive - it's a good thing
Nancy
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my oncologist ran me through all the same tests, and I was petrified. Best of luck, thinking about you. avoid carbs and sugar a few days before the test because I was told they can cause false positives
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djm, I had a similar experience--6mm tumor, MO said most likely no chemo, but oncotype came back with a 54. The flurry of tests and appointments at the beginning is crazy and will make your head spin! My MO told me pretty much what yours did, "small but very nasty".
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I had a small but very aggressive (KI-67 of 70) tumor. Yes, all the testing is difficult - at least the waiting for the results are - but you and your doctor will know exactly what will be needed.
And here is a silver lining to your small but nasty tumor, chemotherapy is extremely effective on aggressive tumors as the the chemo works on cells that are dividing and your cells are dividing rapidly.
And DO NOT avoid all carbs and sugar for a few days before testing. You will be told to fast for a certain amount of time before your tests and that is what you should do. An area will be declared metabolically active when its uptake of glucose is higher than the surrounding area. If you deplete your blood glucose and liver glycogen levels before your tests by avoiding all sugars and carbs for an extended period, your tissue will rapidly uptake the infused glucose and may throw off the test results.
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Think of it this way: If you don't do this (normal) testing, you're more likely to bolt up in the night wondering if the cancer spread. This testing gets you a lot of information that can be both useful and calming. Best of luck!
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I echo the posts above. I am sorry that the results did not come back as the BS initially thought, but thankfully your MO ordered the oncotype so that you know how truly aggressive the cancer is. You caught it early which is great, and as others have stated, chemo works best on cancers like yours, so it is a valuable weapon in your arsenal against this beast. It is your ally. Cancer is the enemy.
Join the August 2016 chemo group, make time for you, accept help and meals when offered (it helps friends cope when you allow them to help), and plow full speed ahead. Everyone tolerates chemo differently. Thankfully, I am one who tolerated it very well both times. I worked and exercised (but did make time to rest) the whole way through. Assume you'll be the same until proven otherwise. Hoping all of your tests come back clear and that you can get started right on time. The sooner you start, the sooner you finish! Best wishes.
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My experience was similar to Kbeee's.
I wanted to add that your MO is likely to have a better understanding of recommended treatments for you. It's not the BS's area of specialty.
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I can't say thank you enough to all of you for responding. It has really helped to put my mind at ease! I am glad my MO is being so thorough. I definitely want to know exactly what's going on in my body. There is just SO much to take in and process. Cancer has completely taken over my life. Seems like the testing prior to official diagnoses went so slowly and now everything is moving at lightning speed. So scary
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