LDN study for breast cancer...effective!

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  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited November 2014


    Hi again!

    Yes, this diagnosis was out of nowhere.  My blood counts never seemed to return to normal after surgery so my Chinese herbalist wanted a bone marrow biopsy which showed cells.  I have a Pet yesterday and next week will find out all results.  I suspect I may have been stage 4 from get go or soon after as I have had this bad back pain forever.  I am hoping Wong's herbs have kept it at bay and it hasn't spread.  I have been under SO much stress with my wedding photography that I am sure that added to my progression.  I need to CHILL.  Brides anxiously bugging me for their pictures just wears me down.

    If it is just in my marrow, (or bones) Wong says Lupron plus Als are great with his herbs.  he says his herbs greatly lessen side effects and enhance their ability to fight this.  I am also interested in high dose sacred frankincense oil.  I know a girl who went from stage 4 to no NED with this oil.  Amazing.  I am praying for some stability so I can hopefully see my girls graduate high school...then I will ask for 10 more years so I can see them start a family...LOL

    My doctor will not do LDN for fear of crackdown.

  • Girijakumari
    Girijakumari Member Posts: 1
    edited July 2016

    My mom(67 yrs) is recently(3 weeks back) diagnosed with TNBC and has existing autoimmune condition (polymositis) since 22 years confining her to wheelchair from last 8 years. Quality of life has already been compromised and now this diagnosis :(.

    Doctor says it is in stage 4 B and no chemo - but says surgery may help to ensure the tumor does not grow too big and break, but says it can metastasize to lung, liver and brain in that order.

    I have started her on 4 mg LDN along with teas of soursop, simaruoba, and some herbal medicines.There is no pain/burn or twitch near the tumor site from the time I have started these medicines, but there is no guarantee that I am on the right path.

    Does anyone have any suggestions? I feel she should be treated as gently as possible since she is already kind of bed ridden and wondering how could surgery help.

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited July 2016

    Hi Girijakumari,

    You might want to post in bco's forum 8 for those with Stage IV and metastatic breast cancer. https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8

    It does sound though that since the cancer hasn't spread beyond her breast that she may be Stage IIIB...there is no Stage IVB.

    If so and if she's able and willing to undergo the rigors of chemotherapy, that would be the usual course of conventional treatment for Stage IIIB. Sometimes chemotherapy is given before surgery to reduce tumor size and aggressiveness.

    Even if she has Stage IV breast cancer, surgery can relieve some pain and suffering - again, if she's able to withstand it.

    I enjoyed LDN for many years - 2.5 mg at bedtime supplemented by alpha-lipoic acid.

    healing regards, Stephanie

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited July 2016

    This is in-vitro study of low-dose naltrexone was funded by the drug company that stands to benefit and is not ready for in-vivo clinical trials. But! People with cancer have been experimenting with it for many years, often combined with alpha-lipoic acid and vitamin D-3.

    I self-experimented with the suggested 2.5 mg dosage for several years and found it significantly helped with pain without significant unwanted effects. I stopped when I began with opiod-based narcotics, since it's contra-indicated to take both together.

    If you want to try, you'll need some guidelines (found online through websites and online groups) and a doctor's script. Skip's Pharmacy in Florida can provides it (I think under $100 for 2 month supply) and their pharmacists provide telephone counseling.

    Each of us has a different and evolving approach to treatment options…conventional, integrative and alternative…this one crosses the boundary lines and may be interesting to some here.

    Good healing wishes for all!

    Stephanie

    xox

    Low-dose Naltrexone, a drug that helps addicts, may help treat cancer too, say experts

    Date:
    June 27, 2016
    Source:
    University of St George's London


    Summary:
    The drug naltrexone (LDN), which is used to treat addicts, can have a beneficial impact on cancer patients if it is given in low doses, new research suggests.



    Scientists at St George's, University of London, say the drug naltrexone (LDN), which is used to treat addicts, can have a beneficial impact on cancer patients if it is given in low doses.

    Researchers discovered that not only does LDN cause cancer cells to stop growing, it also alters their internal machinery, making them more likely to kill themselves. This can lead to other treatments becoming more effective.


    The research team, led by Dr Wai Liu and Professor Angus Dalgleish and working with the company LDN Pharma, discovered that the drug, when used in these small doses, can alter the genes that regulate how a cancer cell behaves. LDN can reactivate genes that promote cell killing, as well as modify the genes that interact with the immune system to make it more unfriendly to cancer.


    Dr Liu said: "We have shown that the genetic fingerprint of naltrexone differs according to the different doses used, which identifies new ways of using it as an anti-cancer treatment.


    "Rather than stopping the cancer cells from growing, patients want to be rid of them. We saw that by giving the drug for two days, then withdrawing it, cancer cells would stop cycling and undergo cell death."


    Dr Liu, who has spent 20 years researching cancer treatment, hopes his research will prompt clinical trials for the use of LDN on cancer patients. He foresees LDN being used in conjunction with other cancer treatments.


    At present naltrexone is licensed in many countries for the treatment of alcohol and heroin addiction, but the doses used is much higher than in this study.


    However, it isn't licensed for the treatment of other illnesses, and patients are obtaining it 'off label' to treat conditions such as multiple sclerosis and fibromyalgia.
    Dr Liu added: "We have taken a drug that is relatively safe in humans, and reformulated a new use for it; this has only been possible by understanding the dynamics of a drug. How many other drugs can be improved in this way?
    "We have shown a similar 'repackaging' benefit with the antimalarial drug artesunate and the cannabinoids. In both cases, drugs that are not classically cancer therapies are being trialled as such.


    "This helps clinicians to devise new ways to tackle a disease that affects so many."
    The research has been published in the International Journal of Oncology.



    Story Source:
    The above post is reprinted from materials provided by University of St George's London. Note: Materials may be edited for content and length.


    Journal Reference:

    Wai Liu, Katherine Scott, Jayne Dennis, Elwira Kaminska, Alan Levett, Angus Dalgleish. Naltrexone at low doses upregulates a unique gene expression not seen with normal doses: Implications for its use in cancer therapy. International Journal of Oncology, 2016; DOI: 10.3892/ijo.2016.3567

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27279602

  • Roaming_Star
    Roaming_Star Member Posts: 103
    edited January 2018

    Hi - just started taking ldn too! I found this article - talks about the link between the immune system and cancer. Very interesting! Dr. Bernard Bihari, low dose naltrexone, cancer and the immune system. Hopefully more of us will be fighting the cancer cells more effectively on this and winning!

  • Irishlove
    Irishlove Member Posts: 82
    edited March 2019

    I realize this subject hasn't had a post to it in almost a year. However, I wanted to say I am on LDN many years for MS. It is off-label, compounded by local pharmacy. I pay $55 a month for 4 mg. Above that dosage and legs start jumping around significantly. It does interfere with sleep,so I moved it to daytime dosage. Of interest besides possible benefits of reducing risk of b.c., is the usage for pain. I was so surprised when I got into a conversation with a nurse anestheologist, (just before my mastectomy) and he said he has been studying this drug for pain control. When Dr. Bahari passed away, few showed interest in continuing his studies. I had read paper after paper published about his findings and took it to my neuro after coming off chemo for MS. I knew I needed a drug that did not carry side effects of depression and this one fit the bill.

    It's difficult to determine the benefit regarding b.c., since I am newly diagnosed with Encapsulated Papillary. However, I can't help but wonder if LDN helped to build that barrier around the tumor? Did an aspirin daily for years make a difference? Or maybe having MS, an overactive immune disorder, made a difference. Plus I did Mitoxantrone starting in 2005 for MS, which I was to understand was a first line b.c. chemo back years ago. I also did benadryl for many, many years to sleep. MS kept me from sleeping. Stopped it two weeks ago since I may need tamoxifen and it's contraindicated. I just don't know but whatever, I'm so grateful and give credence to LDN keeping my MS mostly undercontrol for 10 plus years.

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